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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #134955 on: June 30, 2018, 07:35:30 am »

Lollllllll 20's rap is just descended from 16th century music bro they had rap in the 800's


Have you even heard the ancient rap ballad Beowulf
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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #134956 on: June 30, 2018, 07:36:21 am »

1970s rap did start is directly descended from 1960s music:

https://www.musicbanter.com/rap-hip-hop/84124-rap-1960s.htm
link's a little borked, ree. Seems to be missing a l at the end.

Lollllllll 20's rap is just descended from 16th century music bro they had rap in the 800's


Have you even heard the ancient rap ballad Beowulf
14th century, actually, apparently. Folks seem to think the cleanest/most direct trace comes from a sort of folk called "griot", which look to have basically been west african bard equivalents. Kinda' neat, really.
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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #134957 on: June 30, 2018, 08:02:45 am »

Lollllllll 20's rap is just descended from 16th century music bro they had rap in the 800's


Have you even heard the ancient rap ballad Beowulf
This is close enough to what my retort would have been that I'm just going to quote this and leave it at that, haha.


What a shitty attitude. It's very rude to say "And you expect anyone to value your opinion?" because someone has different music tastes to your personal tastes. You saying that only causes me to devalue your opinion.
Jeez, settle down sweetheart.
It's hardly my fault you have either A: a crippling inability to form opinions of your own, or B: legitimately terrible taste in music. Given that you're one of our more-frequent manga/anime posters, I'm guessing it could well be the latter, tragically, but I shall give you the benefit of the doubt anyway.


..Anyway! I have the house to myself and am in far too good a mood to waste my evening arguing, so I'm going to take this beer and go back into the lounge room where it is warm, loud and comfy. Hope y'all are having a pleasant night/day/whatever as well. ^-^   
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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #134958 on: June 30, 2018, 10:23:18 am »

Rap is horrible. If you like it, then you too are horrible. We can all agree on that (and those who don't will need extensive rehabilitation.)

In a slightly more serious vein, rap is a very visceral music style which does not compute with what I'm going to call "optimistic" 60s and 70s styles - it's about the blood and guts of relationship and power plays. 60s and 70s music was created and written in an era of hope for the future, and it often reflects this. Love and lovable quirks (for instance that 'Rosemary' song) formed a large part of its inspiration.

Music seems to be following the example of rap, or perhaps the other way around, and discarding the shackles of love in favour of the grimier ones of lust.

/\ the general observations of one who likes 60s and 70s music /\

Edit: As an experiment, I googled best 60s song, then best 70s song. These are the first songs google threw up.

For the 60s:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFrGuyw1V8s

For the 70s:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udX6y-FB3vU

Then I did it for 2018:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4fErC9skHE

Of course, this is a hopeless over generalisation. And perhaps those oft quoted words of Larkin may be applied: "what will survive of us is love." Perhaps we will only look back on the shiny, happy songs of today. I do doubt it though.


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« Reply #134959 on: June 30, 2018, 11:00:59 am »

Gangster rap that glorifies violence/misogyny/greed is horrible.  Not to be confused with all the rap that describes these things tragically, bringing the problems to light.

Other than the gang stuff, which is very optional, rap is a very flexible genre which basically makes poetry more fun and accessible.  And even average free-style rap is super impressive to me...  I guess it gets easier with practice, like any art, but wow.
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« Reply #134960 on: June 30, 2018, 11:12:50 am »

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« Reply #134961 on: June 30, 2018, 11:14:38 am »

Gangster rap that glorifies violence/misogyny/greed is horrible.  Not to be confused with all the rap that describes these things tragically, bringing the problems to light.

Other than the gang stuff, which is very optional, rap is a very flexible genre which basically makes poetry more fun and accessible.  And even average free-style rap is super impressive to me...  I guess it gets easier with practice, like any art, but wow.
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« Reply #134962 on: June 30, 2018, 11:19:22 am »

Black People Music   |  White People Version
Blues                      |  Elvis
Jazz                        | Radio Jazz*
Rap                        |  White and Nerdy/Lonely Island

If there's anything we can learn about the US from this, its that white people can't take things seriously.

*its... complicated.  Basically the earliest jazz recordings weren't that jazzy and the white dudes who recorded them claimed to have invented jazz
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« Reply #134963 on: June 30, 2018, 11:55:22 am »

Other interesting cultural influences are that the founder of surf guitar Dick Dale, was Lebanese, and the scales he was using are all from middle-eastern music. His music also influenced a ton of heavy style guitarists later on. So, yeah, the rarely credited influence of Arabic music on the heavy guitar sound.

EDIT: I found my new favorite 60s band

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxPsXPCR5MU
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« Reply #134964 on: June 30, 2018, 12:10:48 pm »

Black People Music   |  White People Version
Blues                      |  Elvis
Jazz                        | Radio Jazz*
Rap                        |  White and Nerdy/Lonely Island

If there's anything we can learn about the US from this, its that white people can't take things seriously.

*its... complicated.  Basically the earliest jazz recordings weren't that jazzy and the white dudes who recorded them claimed to have invented jazz

I actually read and watched a couple documentaries on this. You should look up the white-folks versions of some of those famous old jazz songs, they are supremely cringeworthy. Youtube probably has piles of them.
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« Reply #134965 on: June 30, 2018, 12:24:27 pm »

I remember the Black and White Minstrel Show was still a thing on TV when I was a little kid. I was too little to realize just how cringey that was though.

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The show's premise began to be seen as offensive on account of its portrayal of blacked-up characters behaving in a stereotypical manner, and a petition against it was received by the BBC in 1967.[7] In 1969, due to continuing accusations of racism, Music Music Music, a spin-off series in which the minstrels appeared without their blackface make-up, replaced The Black and White Minstrel Show. It did well, with viewing figures to match the Minstrels, but the BBC weren't happy and The Black and White Minstrel Show returned to win back viewers.

Jesus Christ. They made a non-racist version, which did equally well, but the executives wanted the racist version back for "reasons".

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« Reply #134966 on: June 30, 2018, 01:19:14 pm »

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God yes, Big Mama Thorton. That woman's voice is power incarnate. I sincerely wish more people knew about her.
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« Reply #134967 on: June 30, 2018, 01:36:40 pm »

Other interesting cultural influences are that the founder of surf guitar Dick Dale, was Lebanese, and the scales he was using are all from middle-eastern music. His music also influenced a ton of heavy style guitarists later on. So, yeah, the rarely credited influence of Arabic music on the heavy guitar sound.

EDIT: I found my new favorite 60s band

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxPsXPCR5MU
You have to work to fail that hard at music. Good god.
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« Reply #134968 on: June 30, 2018, 01:40:34 pm »

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« Reply #134969 on: June 30, 2018, 01:44:21 pm »

White rap? Ice Ice Baby. He may be a joke now, but Vanilla Ice was legitimately huge for a while.
Don't forget that one of the highest selling Reggae hits is Informer by Snow, a white dude from Canada
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