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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #146580 on: August 21, 2019, 07:18:34 am »

Nah, I hear yeh.

... still, dubcon/noncon is mainline pern. I think the series's primary fetish is actually that, heh. The treatment the author gives it is borderline fridge horror in how much it's casually passed over/downplayed, iirc, but the dragonrider link thing in relation to the critters mating... it basically puts the linked humans into full-on memetic porn animal heat. The people involved don't actually have much choice, and what choice they do have is seriously compromised. Consent's hella' questionable when that gets involved and it gets involved pretty regularly in the series.

It's actually probably easy to miss that that's what's going on -- like with the cat-whatever thing where a MC is raped and impregnated, the treatment of the issue is pretty damn low-key, to the extent there's any negative treatment of the issue at all -- but that's part of why she's hovering somewhere in spitting distance of Anthony for me :P
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« Reply #146581 on: August 21, 2019, 09:17:36 am »

If you want to look at it charitably, it does logically follow that a society that has lived with the idea of dragon mating forcing humans to mate for hundreds of years would probably have less of an issue with that concept then we do today

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« Reply #146582 on: August 21, 2019, 09:20:32 am »

However, it would also stand to reason, under the same set of circumstances-- that there would have been a strong need for, and subsequent providence for, dealing with the "Consequences" of such eventualities.

Given that this is a technologically advanced culture (that was able to genetically engineer telepathic fire-breathing lizards), you would think that there would be great advances in contraception, and increased options for choice, when and where choice becomes capable of being asserted, even if that choice is after the fact.

You would also have to consider, that early in the development of the culture, there would have been strong drive to create technological or biochemical means of supressing such "mating drive" in the human counterparts, that could be offered proactively (EG, part of a willful daily regimen. Such as say, with modern birth control pills.)

The fact that such a thing was not even suggested speaks volumes about the narrative intent of the author.  (It would be at least plausible that while the early culture would have been big on such options, later generations simply did not care as much, and it fell out of favor--or perhaps, that such work was undertaken, but no effective solution was found, or such measures disrupted the bond in dangerous ways.  That would still give you the same basic social structures, but not have a glaring hole of omission. It is not the same as "it does not exist." It not existing in the narrative universe is an indicator that the author did not even consider this aspect of their world, and had their eyes "elsewhere". Ahem.)
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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #146583 on: August 21, 2019, 05:29:10 pm »

...Pern isn't a fully developed high-tech world.  It was a few thousands of colonist going to set up an agrarian colony out in the absolute hinterlands of the galaxy.  Who then suffered an extreme disaster in the form of an inimical life form that wrecked them completely.  The Dragons were an absolute last-ditch effort to develop a countermeasure, that only worked because the best genetic engineering specialist in the entirety of human controlled space decided to retire on the miserable little ball of rock.

Several thousand years have passed since then, without adequate metal deposits and almost no petrochemicals to work with, the couple of hundred thousand inhabitants of the planet have regressed to a feudal system of governance.  They are to concerned with near-subsistence levels of farming and hunting/fishing to expend what incredibly limited resources they have on complex forms of birth control.  And it isn't like they've managed to retain any significant level of education either.

They don't have chemical labs, they don't have industry, they barely have shipbuilding.  They live in caves and barely even have ceramics.

Edit: I am not defending the questionable elements of the story, this comment is purely about what can and cannot be done on Pern.
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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #146584 on: August 21, 2019, 06:29:28 pm »

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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #146585 on: August 21, 2019, 07:42:17 pm »

Yeah, we're talking about a society where engineering a primitive telegraph and clay jar batteries drew worldwide attention. They were so primitive that they basically just shrugged and accepted encountering a (fairly) strong AI and the half-ruined old colony ships in orbit as another day.

In fairness though, they mostly lived in caves because they didn't have architectural knowledge good enough or a non-agricultural workforce large enough to build Thread-proof stone structures for everyone, not because they couldn't build stuff at all.
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« Reply #146586 on: August 21, 2019, 09:42:14 pm »

WTF is "dubcon"? Not sure I really want to know...
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« Reply #146587 on: August 21, 2019, 09:53:20 pm »

I'd assume it's something along the lines of dubious consent, and probably not dubbing over lack of consent into consent to fit what some company thinks a western audience wants

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« Reply #146588 on: August 21, 2019, 10:46:36 pm »

Dubious consent, yeah. Stuff that's borderline non-consensual/rape, but something's making it hard to call it that outright. Real world, it probably comes up most often with drugs (alcohol most predominantly, if only by dint of pervasiveness), cases where decision making is heavily impaired and it's difficult to impossible to be sure a yes actually means it (even if all people involved are saying it). Significant coercion or otherwise wonky power dynamics can also be involved; technically having a choice but the consequences of refusing being ruinous, one of the people involved being seriously cognitively impaired, things like that.

In relation to pern, empathic dragon things basically hijacking you and another person's brains when they're rutting would be your example. You don't have much choice in if you're going to screw or not. That the other person involved is in the same boat is probably the only thing that makes it even slightly dubious rather than just being straight up rape. Supernatural fiction plays with it a lot, too, from what I've noticed. Werewolves going into heat, junk like that.
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