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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #147390 on: September 28, 2019, 07:23:30 pm »

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« Reply #147391 on: September 28, 2019, 07:42:34 pm »

Despite being one of the canonized classic episodes of Star Trek, "Darmok" is incredibly goofy and campy. I watched it again last night and couldn't stop thinking "Even in the 90s how did they take this seriously?" It's still out-camped and out-goofed by a number of Original Series episodes, but is easily the silliest TNG episode I can recall.

It's ranked as #5 greatest episode of all time though. So there's some disconnect there.

I'd say literally any episode in which something Wesley was fucking around with happens to save the day from some space anomaly is more cheesy than this. They just dress those episodes up with more "Days of Our Lives ... in space" window dressing, so they're more palatable. Q episodes are way more cheese than this, too.

The reason it's highly ranked could probably be deciphered. Rather than featuring some "science-fiction-y" thing such as the ship being trapped in a space vortex or similar, and having a techno-babble deus ex machina solution provided by a little boy, it's about communication, language, culture and it's personal rather than scientific. It's one of the few episode in which the difficulties of communicating with alien life isn't hand-waved away with techno-babble. And this is why it's highly regarded. It doesn't quite fit in Star Trek canon, because it is actually a piece exploring something more thoroughly that's normally effortlessly glossed over in the rest of canon.

EDIT: to give you an idea of the disconnect between something like Darmok vs the how "universal translator" works, consider how all the other main races have not only base-10 numbering systems, they actually use 1000s grouping for all their bigger numbers. This is canon for Klingons for example: the Klingon number system has direct words to translate thousand, million, billion and so on. However, we don't even have that level consistency on Earth. Not even among cultures who agree we should be using base-10. For all the Trek love, the other races are super-simplified compared to the diversity of culture on Earth. Darmok is highly regarded because it effectively abandons canon to try and tell a truer story of how hard it would be to communicate.
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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #147392 on: September 28, 2019, 08:03:42 pm »

Is that the episode where the alien is pretty clearly a guy hiding under a rug? My knowledge of the original Trek is pretty limited.
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« Reply #147393 on: September 28, 2019, 08:17:30 pm »

No, it's the Star Trek TNG episode where Picard is stranded on a barren planet with an alien captain trying to communicate, but the basis of the alien's way of thinking is too different for the Universal Translator to directly communicate. Their language is entirely based on metaphor and simile, but the Universal Translator just delivers a literal translation. So ... the universal translator is working, it's just that unless you already know what the other guy is talking about a literal translation is pretty useless. There's truth in that. It explores the likely limitations of Space-Google-Translate.

EDIT: It's probably well-regarded compared to the typical "on this planet, people wear shoes on their heads and get offended because they think the Star Trek crew are wearings hats on their feet" kind of plots that are more prevalent to express the idea of "cultural differences".
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« Reply #147394 on: September 28, 2019, 09:02:13 pm »

I've watched barely a handful of Star Trek episodes in my life, but hearing it summed up in anecdotes it tends to sound freakin' hilarious.
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« Reply #147395 on: September 28, 2019, 09:48:07 pm »

I've watched barely a handful of Star Trek episodes in my life, but hearing it summed up in anecdotes it tends to sound freakin' hilarious.

What doesn't make any sense is that they constantly meet other space-faring races who do exactly one thing different to humans, which becomes the basis of the entire episode, and apparently none of those races have ever run into each other and noticed anybody else doing it the same way Earthlings do.

"we do not comprehend these foot-hats you Earthlings wear"

"oh you mean shoes, like every other race in the galaxy wears, including ones that you've already interacted with, according to canon?!?"
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« Reply #147396 on: September 28, 2019, 10:20:18 pm »

I love that kind of cheesy anti-logic in films and media.
Like those wonderfully gonzo old kung-fu movies that make no bloody sense by any yardstick.
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« Reply #147397 on: September 28, 2019, 10:34:51 pm »

The best bit is that the plot of said episodes usually revolves around how they have to befriend the greatest scientist of the alien planet, and he can at least half understand how to put a shoe on, after having it demonstrated to him a dozen times, so now they have shoes.

EDIT: Or, if it's TNG-era it's switches around to a debate between the "what right do we as the Great White Space Explorers have to tell these people they should wear shoes" faction vs the "shoes would at least protect their feet!" faction.

EDIT2: A third possible type of plot they like to go with, is that the crew discovers that the shoe-on-head people actually originated from a crashed ship and they got the wrong idea about footwear due to loss of culture.
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« Reply #147398 on: September 29, 2019, 01:43:19 am »

So, what happened to the Area 51 raid? It was all over the Internet during its day, but now, it's dead in the water. I know that, apparently, two Dutch vloggers got arrested, but I don't really know if there was a crowd that got mass arrested/suppressed, or how many people actually showed up.
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« Reply #147399 on: September 29, 2019, 02:27:29 am »

200 hippies in green alien costumes showed up to a music festival
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« Reply #147400 on: September 29, 2019, 02:29:37 am »

The news give conflicting information, but about 3000-4000 people arrived at the nearby town, about 50-200 made it to the gates, and 1-5 people got arrested, of which at most 3 were for trespassing and the rest for drunken tomfoolery.

No casualties. Some news outlets compared it to a music festival.
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« Reply #147401 on: September 29, 2019, 02:32:29 am »

https://www.vox.com/culture/2019/9/27/20879010/storm-area-51-alienstock-event-photos

There you go. BTW the town with 54 people in it wasn't too happy to see strangers. Which is not surprising considering it's entirely made up of people who decided to live in a place with only 54 people.

Also note from the article: while about 6000 showed up, a "majority" of the attendees at the music festival Alien-Stock were actually journalists and bloggers covering the event, many from other countries.
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« Reply #147402 on: September 29, 2019, 03:15:23 am »

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« Reply #147403 on: September 29, 2019, 09:05:23 am »

My phone is making unexplained boop sounds that it hasn't been making before.

Also I think I may have given my computer gremlins. I couple of weeks ago I accidentally spilled tea on my laptop keyboard and the next day there was a little bubble on my screen half. Then there was two. Then three. Then five. Now there's a whole line of bubbles there. Gremlins bubbles. Grumbles.
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« Reply #147404 on: September 29, 2019, 11:08:39 am »

Is it possible to pop the bubbles? Do you have a microscope to examine what the bubbles could be composed of?
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