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[vadia]

have we mentioned squeezing -- making oils, juices etc?

Oils = frying

[vadia]

did anybody suggest that they believe wine shouldn't increase the amount of food?

[harborpirate]

Are you referring to the loophole where you could cook roasts out of just booze? The game no longer allows cooking without a solid ingredient.

[harborpirate]

Good point on oils. I'll add it when I get the chance.

[vadia]

Are you referring to the loophole where you could cook roasts out of just booze? The game no longer allows cooking without a solid ingredient.

no, but If you use 1 solid and one liquid it becomes 2 solid.  (As far as I understand)
I'm saying liquids (or spices) should not add to the amount of food as the liquid boils down and spices are either negligable mass or end up overpowering

[AngleWyrm]

I'm saying liquids (or spices) should not add to the amount of food ...

If I add a lot of water to pancake mix I get a lot of pancakes. A solid plus a liquid equalling two solids, and it works out just fine.

[harborpirate]

I think we can all agree that spices should not add to the size of a dish. I've added that note to the spices part of the ingredient based cooking section.

[harborpirate]

I modified the Millable Ingredients to account for oils. This seems to me to be the most logical means of obtaining oils and juices, even if its not entirely real-world accurate. I added clarification so that making oils will not result in free food.

I separated out cooking methods in the Ingredient Based Cooking section to separate hot and cold cooking methods, as well as separated spice-based cooking methods (frying with oils) into their own category.

I made some modifications in the Economy section to clarify how short order cooks, the head chef noble, and taverns could all work together. Also made more clear is the server role (bar wenches!).

[vadia]

I'm saying liquids (or spices) should not add to the amount of food ...

If I add a lot of water to pancake mix I get a lot of pancakes. A solid plus a liquid equalling two solids, and it works out just fine.

You get more pancakes, but they are thinner -- more like crepes -- not more food -- otherwise just put one cup flour to a gallon of milk/water and one egg and you'll get a ton of pancakes.  Try it and tell me what you get.  (better yet don't try it I don't want to get blamed for getting a yucky film on your pan).

[AngleWyrm]

Try making pancakes without liquid and see what you get. Or try making soup, or an apple pie.

What I'm saying is that at least in some cases, liquids do add to the amount of food.

[vadia]

Try making pancakes without liquid and see what you get. Or try making soup, or an apple pie.

What I'm saying is that at least in some cases, liquids do add to the amount of food.

But try eating the same amount in volume of soup as you normally eat.  you'll probably still be hungry. 

furthermore I find it almost silly that six vegetables can either make 3 stacks or 5 stacks of prepared food (1.5 or 4 and 2 booze)

[AngleWyrm]

Then we disagree, plain and simple. In my opinion liquid used in cooking counts as food.

If you charge people a penalty for cooking with liquids, they will simply go to the kitchen menu and disable cooking with liquids.

[harborpirate]

I added a note to Hot Liquid Cooking Methods to include the optional loss of some food units when using hot cooking with liquids. Its on the table, just like all the others it'll be up to Toady to decide if he wants to use it.

[vadia]

Then we disagree, plain and simple. In my opinion liquid used in cooking counts as food.

Agreed to disagree, and Thanks harbor for putting it on the list.

[SanDiego]

Great list, I agree with everything but this: Water needed for brewing.
You only need water to produce beer/ale/lager/YouKnowWhatIHaveOnMind; other booze is made by squeezing the fruits (mushrooms, whatever), fermenting the product and then distilling it. No water included except for diluting and that is undwarvenlike.