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Re: How did you last die?
« Reply #21855 on: April 08, 2019, 08:12:02 am »

Fell in so many holes and touched so many spikes I don't recall the exact moment I last died.

Mega Man 6.

In truth, Mega Man 6 is pretty easy compared to the games that came before it and I didn't die that many times in it.  It felt more like a modern Mega Man game in that sense.  It's still very challenging but at least mostly fair about it.  The challenges in the legacy collection immediately reminded me of how unfair the first one could be at times.  Screw Gutsman's stage and the flipping platforms.
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« Reply #21856 on: April 08, 2019, 08:55:44 am »

Fell in so many holes and touched so many spikes I don't recall the exact moment I last died.

Mega Man 6.

In truth, Mega Man 6 is pretty easy compared to the games that came before it and I didn't die that many times in it.  It felt more like a modern Mega Man game in that sense.  It's still very challenging but at least mostly fair about it.  The challenges in the legacy collection immediately reminded me of how unfair the first one could be at times.  Screw Gutsman's stage and the flipping platforms.

I'm remembering the underwater stage in Megaman 2. And the disappearing/reappearing platform puzzle over lava (and later over nothing as a big dragon chased you).

On topic: Heat Signature: Grabbed a character with Heir positive trait and a "harm no one" negative trait because the other 2 traits didn't look so bad. Got knocked out, one of the "didn't look so bad" positive traits was "drop a grenade when you go down." Violated my vow after about 20 seconds of play time.
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Re: How did you last die?
« Reply #21857 on: April 08, 2019, 11:17:26 am »

I'm remembering the underwater stage in Megaman 2. And the disappearing/reappearing platform puzzle over lava (and later over nothing as a big dragon chased you).

And don't forget the Yellow Devil from MM1.  I find it funny and appropriate that every guide tells you to use the pause glitch to kill it, because anything less is misery.

And I want to know who came up with the disappearing block puzzle, and why Capcom is fascinated with putting it in every Mega Man game they can.  At least you can skip many of them in later games with the Rush Jet...
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Re: How did you last die?
« Reply #21858 on: April 08, 2019, 11:52:33 am »

Lots of Japanese games expect the player to replay them repeatedly.  Thus either repeating content, new game+ kind of deals, or levels that are designed to kill you several times before you beat them.

I haven't played Megaman but my understanding is if you do everything on the first try its a pretty short game, so probably that last one.
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« Reply #21859 on: April 08, 2019, 12:10:59 pm »

I think it's just the era the games were made in, where a lot of arcade game design decisions were commonly applied to console games.  Things like limited lives and excessive difficulty to eat up those lives so you'd put more quarters in the machine.  Or, yeah, to pad the game out or "challenge" the player.  I think you can beat all of the NES era Mega Man games in about 30 minutes each if you don't die or screw anything up.
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« Reply #21860 on: April 08, 2019, 12:18:02 pm »

I remember seeing a Megaman arcade game that also had a timer. You needed a new quarter every X minutes. Or you needed to tell the cabinet to go fuck itself, whichever.
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Re: How did you last die?
« Reply #21861 on: April 08, 2019, 01:08:10 pm »

I've never been a fan of lives systems. It just seems unnecessary in the majority of games nowadays, which are made to be beaten without 100% mastering them, as you had to in ye olde arcade games. This is especially true in modern Nintendo platformers, which are not only rather easy (IMO) but actively help struggling players; why even bother with lives at that point, except as an arbitrary throwback?



Dogmeat was hindering rather than helping my conquest of Lexington, so I sent him away to Red Rocket Truck Stop before my next attempt.

I'm lining up a laser musket shot when the raiders suddenly turn hostile and I hear familiar barking and whining. Dogmeat had decided that the best way to get to Red Rocket was to go STRAIGHT THROUGH THE CENTER OF LEXINGTON. Of course, with the raiders hostile, alert and wandering around, stealth was out the window. I tried to throw a grenade at a machine gun turret, only for it to instantly spin and ventilate me; I hadn't re-equipped grenades since the last time I reloaded.

Fallout 4.
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Re: How did you last die?
« Reply #21862 on: April 09, 2019, 11:16:09 am »

Two melee girls punch out werewolf infestation outside the ship, everyone else sits inside and does nothing. Lokknarr with laspistol gets bored out of her mind and shots the engine. Engine explodes, another engine explodes too, everyone is dead.  :o Reloaded.  :P

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Re: How did you last die?
« Reply #21863 on: April 10, 2019, 10:21:55 pm »

I've never been a fan of lives systems. It just seems unnecessary in the majority of games nowadays, which are made to be beaten without 100% mastering them, as you had to in ye olde arcade games. This is especially true in modern Nintendo platformers, which are not only rather easy (IMO) but actively help struggling players; why even bother with lives at that point, except as an arbitrary throwback?



Dogmeat was hindering rather than helping my conquest of Lexington, so I sent him away to Red Rocket Truck Stop before my next attempt.

I'm lining up a laser musket shot when the raiders suddenly turn hostile and I hear familiar barking and whining. Dogmeat had decided that the best way to get to Red Rocket was to go STRAIGHT THROUGH THE CENTER OF LEXINGTON. Of course, with the raiders hostile, alert and wandering around, stealth was out the window. I tried to throw a grenade at a machine gun turret, only for it to instantly spin and ventilate me; I hadn't re-equipped grenades since the last time I reloaded.

Fallout 4.
Lives systems are pretty much dead at this point.  Nintendo still releases them in their old games for nostalgia, and I think the newer mario platformers so that the iconic 1-up mushroom still has a reason to exist.  But for the longest time in Nintendo platformers its been really easy to farm extra lives and losing all of them just costs you your checkpoint in a 3-5 minute level.

The irony is that for many modern devs extra lives systems are too forgiving.  If you're designing a game (like Dark Souls) where dying is supposed to have impact, why arbitarily make it have no impact x number of times?  Either dying always hurts or it always doesn't.

For my death, my team was near the end of a mining mission in glacial strata.  It was the first hazard 4 mission I'd played multiplayer.  Then the swarm came, but it was a themed swarm.  Specifically, one gryphid dreadnought (not possible on lower difficulties).  We spent like 5 minutes trying to kill it and heroically reviving each other, but in the end we ran low on ammo and an ice storm made us easy pickings.
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Re: How did you last die?
« Reply #21864 on: April 10, 2019, 11:54:37 pm »

Torn apart tanking the Fleshpound King for my team. The shit ass Medic had the assault rifle which, instead of insta-homing healing darts with unlimited ammo that you can fire tons of to easily heal a player....has 15 healing smoke grenades and higher bullet damage. As I'm getting the ever loving shit beat out of me and on the verge of death, he belatedly fires the whole payload in a wide area, which I promptly get punched out of, and die. The fight ends seconds later. This was the only healing I received the entire game.

God I hate that gun. It gives terrible medics who would rather shoot bullets than heal teammates an excuse that they're "healers", even though those grenades are virtually useless in most situations when someone is taking serious damage and/or the fight is moving. Nothing triggers me harder than shitty players playing dedicated healing classes and NOT HEALING.

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Re: How did you last die?
« Reply #21865 on: April 11, 2019, 01:36:50 am »

If that's the gun I'm thinking of, my brother would play... commando, I think?  And fire the healing mist grenades.  Its not just a medic perk gun.  So really having a medic do that is redundant considering a ranged DPS class can do it.
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Re: How did you last die?
« Reply #21866 on: April 11, 2019, 07:59:28 am »

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Not sure if it is better or worse than shotguns being class weapon for medics on Warface (yeah, mail.ru, yeah, p2w, but it was somewhat playable at some point). In pvp it's, of course, works just fine, because maps are small and respawn times are short. In pve, though, "medic" who would never ever heal\res you no matter what and instead rushes forward shooting his fucking shotgun at enemies and\then (depending on his madskillz and difficulty level) bomb chat with clusterfuck bombs was distressingly common sight.
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« Reply #21867 on: April 11, 2019, 01:43:08 pm »

If that's the gun I'm thinking of, my brother would play... commando, I think?  And fire the healing mist grenades.  Its not just a medic perk gun.  So really having a medic do that is redundant considering a ranged DPS class can do it.

Medics are sub-part damage dealers across the board, even with the damage dealing perks instead of the healing perks. It's like, if you're going to do that, why not play any other class than shoot shit as a medic.

I should have known better though. The one lesson I need to remember as Berzerker is: never rely on other people healing you. It's true when you have no medic, and it should be equally true even if you have one.
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« Reply #21868 on: April 11, 2019, 02:08:55 pm »

Codsworth didn't help much in the assembly plant, so when I returned to Sanctuary I switched him out for Preston.

It turns out Preston is even worse. Although I'm not tripping over him constantly, he only shoots his laser musket about once every ten seconds. Even if I give him a different gun, he constantly wanders off while I'm frantically running away from ghouls, mirelurks, mole rats, or whatever else is about to two-shot me.

This time I got cornered in the Super-Duper Mart by a legendary ghoul. Preston, of course, was helpfully saying random lines about the Minutemen and rebuilding thereof while I ran away, triggering yet more packs of ghouls. I eventually died without Preston firing a single shot in my defense.

The "Lone Wanderer" perk is looking more attractive by the second.

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Re: How did you last die?
« Reply #21869 on: April 11, 2019, 03:18:27 pm »

Especially since you can still use Dogmeat with Lone Wanderer!  Or so I heard.  I liked dragging Nick or Danse around for commentary but mechanically Lone Wanderer seems like a much better choice.
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