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Re: On the farming of Sea Serpents
« Reply #120 on: June 13, 2011, 06:29:01 am »

There is only ONE WAY this could be more dwarfy.

Mod them so they live in the magma sea. Then try and breed them.
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Re: On the farming of Sea Serpents
« Reply #121 on: June 13, 2011, 07:25:24 am »

Just read this thread. Bravo, good sir. Bravo.
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Re: On the farming of Sea Serpents
« Reply #122 on: June 13, 2011, 07:52:35 am »

There is only ONE WAY this could be more dwarfy.

Mod them so they live in the magma sea. Then try and breed them.
When this thread was created, I made another thread asking about breeding a magma-only creature, but it appears that there are no tokens that make a creature survive only in magma.  Aquatic creatures will not breath magma and will drown, and amphibious creatures will leave it.  It seems to be impossible to make a creature that dies outside of magma.

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Re: On the farming of Sea Serpents
« Reply #123 on: June 13, 2011, 10:14:35 am »

There is only ONE WAY this could be more dwarfy.

Mod them so they live in the magma sea. Then try and breed them.
When this thread was created, I made another thread asking about breeding a magma-only creature, but it appears that there are no tokens that make a creature survive only in magma.  Aquatic creatures will not breath magma and will drown, and amphibious creatures will leave it.  It seems to be impossible to make a creature that dies outside of magma.
There might be a way to make them "die of cold" outside of magma...

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Re: On the farming of Sea Serpents
« Reply #124 on: June 13, 2011, 10:18:08 am »

There is only ONE WAY this could be more dwarfy.

Mod them so they live in the magma sea. Then try and breed them.
When this thread was created, I made another thread asking about breeding a magma-only creature, but it appears that there are no tokens that make a creature survive only in magma.  Aquatic creatures will not breath magma and will drown, and amphibious creatures will leave it.  It seems to be impossible to make a creature that dies outside of magma.
There might be a way to make them "die of cold" outside of magma...

because this is DF, amphibious creatures are still leaving magma even though they are dying. its like preventing your dwarves from gathering wood or plants outside while there are 2 squads of crossbow gobbos sieging
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Re: On the farming of Sea Serpents
« Reply #125 on: June 13, 2011, 10:21:03 am »

...amphibious creatures don't die outside of magma.  They're amphibious.  They breathe air.

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Re: On the farming of Sea Serpents
« Reply #126 on: June 13, 2011, 10:23:15 am »

because this is DF, amphibious creatures are still leaving magma even though they are dying. its like preventing your dwarves from gathering wood or plants outside while there are 2 squads of crossbow gobbos sieging

This means that a magma-creature farm needs to not only keep the creatures in magma, but prevent them from leaving the magma even if they want to, while still permitting them to breed and safely separating the children.  That's an interesting additional challenge.

...amphibious creatures don't die outside of magma.  They're amphibious.  They breathe air.

A creature modded to die when at a temperature below magma will die when it leaves the magma.  Unfortunately, the creature AI doesn't know this, so they'll leave the magma anyway.
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Re: On the farming of Sea Serpents
« Reply #127 on: June 13, 2011, 10:34:40 am »

Since magma creatures swim in magma (or at least all vanilla ones are able to) then you should be able to make a tall magma column, and lure the creatures to travel up it and into whatever area you've decided to breed them in.  Then, seal them in via hatches, and separate as normal.  The only huge requirement is to have a large magma reservoir above the breeding chamber, so that you can keep the fluid levels high.  A volcano or a very shallow map will be needed.

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Re: On the farming of Sea Serpents
« Reply #128 on: June 13, 2011, 10:48:02 am »

We need a [MAGMAPHILE] token
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« Reply #129 on: June 13, 2011, 04:19:12 pm »

This is awesome.  You, sir, win at the game.
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« Reply #130 on: June 16, 2011, 11:42:46 pm »

How have I never seen this?

GREATEST THREAD EVER.

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Re: On the farming of Sea Serpents
« Reply #131 on: June 17, 2011, 08:45:58 am »

Glorious, wonderful read. I'd seen the title on the thread list for a couple days now, and thought nothing of it since I'd already read about mermaid farming being impossible. Glad I decided to look in.

It gave me a little side inspiration though regarding that lever-chain "bug". Does that still exist in the current version? I'm thinking about putting chains on all of my naked captured invaders because of this thread. What exactly happens with that bug? Is the chain deconstructed and then in the creature's inventory? Or does it duplicate the chain into their inventory and leave the constructed chain on the floor? If I do that multiple times to the same goblin, will it have multiple ropes attached to it when released?

Can't wait till I cage my next Goblin Lawgiver. They always get a special "welcome".
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Re: On the farming of Sea Serpents
« Reply #132 on: June 17, 2011, 08:51:24 am »

I rarely mess with chains, but apparently when you hook a creature to a chain, it adds an inventory to them, -Steel Chain- Neck.  When you remove the creature, then the inventory "item" disappears, but when you destroy the chain, the inventory slot remains.

This does, btw, inspire me about slaves.  Using Runesmith/DFusion, I'll make some captured individuals into my civ, but give them a nice chain around their neck as well.

Also, science demands the question - Will this chain provide any protection from attacks?

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Re: On the farming of Sea Serpents
« Reply #133 on: June 17, 2011, 08:52:51 am »

It gave me a little side inspiration though regarding that lever-chain "bug". Does that still exist in the current version? I'm thinking about putting chains on all of my naked captured invaders because of this thread. What exactly happens with that bug? Is the chain deconstructed and then in the creature's inventory? Or does it duplicate the chain into their inventory and leave the constructed chain on the floor? If I do that multiple times to the same goblin, will it have multiple ropes attached to it when released?

If you build a chain, link it to a lever, attach a creature to the chain, then pull the lever, the chain deconstructs but remains attached to the creature.  The same also happens if you chain up a creature then manually deconstruct the chain.  If you examine the creature you will find that the creature has the chain listed in its inventory, in the 'neck' position.  I don't know what happens with creatures that don't have a neck.  The chain does not get duplicated.  If you do this repeatedly, you can end up with a creature with multiple chains or ropes attached to its neck.

Also, science demands the question - Will this chain provide any protection from attacks?

A very interesting question.  I don't know the answer, someone should test this.
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Re: On the farming of Sea Serpents
« Reply #134 on: June 17, 2011, 09:21:35 am »

Since goblin Invaders don't(from what I can tell) break free of a Civy grip when transporting, is it as important to have the goblin stockpile adjacent to the chain?

Will it break loose during the chaining job? If chained successfully, will the Goblin immediately turn and attack the Dwarf in range(and any subsequent dwarves in range if say I put a goblin free range jail at my scorching entrance)? I don't have much experience with chains, but now plan to use them a great deal.
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