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claer_runway

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okay, who doesnt savescum?
« on: January 27, 2011, 11:51:39 am »

I sure do. especially with all the Game Breaking Bugs and such. savescumming seems pretty darn rampant, especially since the game is supposed to be sort of a quasi-rougelike.
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Re: okay, who doesnt savescum?
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2011, 12:08:38 pm »

If I do something especially dumb like unintentional cave ins, I will force quit the game and start from the last seasonal save. Otherwise I just roll with it. Strange mood produces a $1000 crappy amulet with no skill gain, oh well maybe I'll get something better on the next one.

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Re: okay, who doesnt savescum?
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2011, 12:26:57 pm »

I only savescum if I decided in advance. e.g. "Lets me just clone this save to see what happens if I let the skeletal moose into my fort" *savescum*.
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Re: okay, who doesnt savescum?
« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2011, 12:36:49 pm »

I only savescum if I decided in advance. e.g. "Lets me just clone this save to see what happens if I let the skeletal moose into my fort" *savescum*.

pretty much the same here. thank god for task manager.
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Re: okay, who doesnt savescum?
« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2011, 12:45:31 pm »

Only savescum for bug. Else I roll with it. It's pretty much how it's supposed to be played anyway, even Toady say you should do it.
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Re: okay, who doesnt savescum?
« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2011, 01:00:47 pm »

Yeah, I pretty much have to savescum for the bugs, although I have savescummed for things that are only quasi-buglike, such as my mayor going outside in the middle of a seige to talk to a representative through the wall to his office when he was already in his office from the beginning.  (I mean, seriously?!)

But generally, I don't consider it "savescumming" if it's to avoid something that I think really shouldn't be a part of the game to begin with. If I cause a cavein or have some forester get cut down by goblin ambush, that's something I roll with.

That said, I have occasionally savescummed in the past regarding a new dwarf's birth, just to play around with what traits (and gender) the kiddo would be born with, or other, similar things just to experiment.

When you really get right down to it, savescumming was "scummy" in Roguelikes because Roguelikes were all about chance and having to take risks without knowing their consequences until after you'd committed yourself.  The fear of the risks you are taking was a key part of what made the game "fun" and interesting, which gets killed if you can just save, check and see if your food will give you food poisoning or not by just eating it and seeing if you die, then reloading if you did. 

DF isn't like that (at least, not fortress mode) since it's more about what you can create using the digging and building designations and the physics system.  In DF, survival is all about mitigating risks to the greatest degree you possibly can through foresight.
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Re: okay, who doesnt savescum?
« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2011, 01:16:03 pm »

seems im the first that doesn't. rarely had any bugs kicked in and i never noticed them so no savescumming for me.

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Re: okay, who doesnt savescum?
« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2011, 01:58:28 pm »

I never do it. I try to be careful about my doings instead.
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Re: okay, who doesnt savescum?
« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2011, 03:17:01 pm »

I don't do it, but to be honest it's not out of some sense of digital chivalry.  I'm too lazy to do it, and too lazy to even figure out how to do it.
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Re: okay, who doesnt savescum?
« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2011, 03:43:31 pm »

I used to save-scum when I needed every dwarf I got to fight off kobolds.

Now I just realize if one dies, another will take his place.  ::)
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Re: okay, who doesnt savescum?
« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2011, 03:52:24 pm »

Bluh.  Save-scumming shouldn't be a generalized term for loading an old saved game.  I've done it several times due to bugs, but never to cover up mistakes.  Perfect forts are so utterly boring.  If my dwarves aren't starving, thirsty, dying from disease, or being mutilated by cave creatures, I'm doing something wrong. :/
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Re: okay, who doesnt savescum?
« Reply #11 on: January 27, 2011, 03:58:01 pm »

I don't.

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Re: okay, who doesnt savescum?
« Reply #12 on: January 27, 2011, 04:00:38 pm »

I sure do not. I think it takes away from the riskiness of the game. I have lost many a good fort, and I like it that way.
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Re: okay, who doesnt savescum?
« Reply #13 on: January 27, 2011, 04:13:12 pm »

I only do it when some mistake I made leads to a complete and total failure of my fortress.  Since I don't turn on seasonal or yearly saving, a single game abort can undo a full year or more worth of work on a fortress, so most of the time it's not worth it to me.  I just let things fall however they might.  Not having the game play out perfectly leads to much more interesting stories and is ultimately more satisfying to play.
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Re: okay, who doesnt savescum?
« Reply #14 on: January 27, 2011, 04:32:19 pm »

I don't savescum, but I don't plan for mistakes either. Spontaneity makes the most Fun forts :3
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