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Author Topic: Dwarf Fortress Clone?  (Read 66814 times)

nenjin

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Re: Dwarf Fortress Clone?
« Reply #45 on: January 30, 2011, 02:08:35 am »
I think that was Khazad, and Khazad didn't begin well, nor did it end well.
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Re: Dwarf Fortress Clone?
« Reply #46 on: January 30, 2011, 02:08:49 am »
Quote from: nenjin on January 30, 2011, 02:02:48 am
And if he's actually using Toady's code? You're totally cool with that as long as you get your game on?

If he's stealing code and using it for profit, then yes, that is stealing. But if he's taking ideas from other games because he wants to make a video game, good for him!
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Re: Dwarf Fortress Clone?
« Reply #47 on: January 30, 2011, 02:10:15 am »
Quote from: Realmfighter on January 30, 2011, 02:08:49 am
But if he's taking ideas from other games because he wants to make a video game, good for him!
Well, it's getting fairly close to plagerism from what we see right now, and that is the issue, I doubt any code was stolen.
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Re: Dwarf Fortress Clone?
« Reply #48 on: January 30, 2011, 02:10:22 am »
Quote from: nenjin on January 30, 2011, 02:08:35 am
I think that was Khazad, and Khazad didn't begin well, nor did it end well.
Bingo. Thank you.
God that was messy by the end.
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Re: Dwarf Fortress Clone?
« Reply #49 on: January 30, 2011, 02:12:31 am »
Could someone provide more info on Khazad?
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Re: Dwarf Fortress Clone?
« Reply #50 on: January 30, 2011, 02:13:06 am »
I'm all in support of that. I'm even in support of starting from something, even if it's most of DF, conceptually.

That's not the vibe I'm getting from this at all. This really seems like he's done the GUI work and some selective cutting of features, and laid Stone Sense on top of it so it has a graphical presentation. And that reeks of theft.
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Re: Dwarf Fortress Clone?
« Reply #51 on: January 30, 2011, 02:14:09 am »
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Re: Dwarf Fortress Clone?
« Reply #52 on: January 30, 2011, 02:14:52 am »
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Re: Dwarf Fortress Clone?
« Reply #53 on: January 30, 2011, 02:17:36 am »
Quote from: nenjin on January 30, 2011, 02:13:06 am
I'm all in support of that. I'm even in support of starting from something, even if it's most of DF, conceptually.

That's not the vibe I'm getting from this at all. This really seems like he's done the GUI work and some selective cutting of features, and laid Stone Sense on top of it so it has a graphical presentation. And that reeks of theft.

Reading his Blog and it actually sounds like he went "Well, DF is awesome, so, if I were able to reverse engineer DF then I would be awesome!" and then decided to release/document the product.

Quote from: Max White on January 30, 2011, 02:14:09 am
Download is here.
Not the program itself, but why it was malicious and a timeline or some such.
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And here's the drama thread: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=58796.0
Thank you.
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Re: Dwarf Fortress Clone?
« Reply #54 on: January 30, 2011, 02:18:07 am »
Let's be honest Realmfighter, from what he have seen, he isn't makeing 'a game', he is remaking DF under a new name.
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« Reply #55 on: January 30, 2011, 02:18:59 am »
Okay.
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Re: Dwarf Fortress Clone?
« Reply #56 on: January 30, 2011, 02:19:31 am »
Ohhh so thats what happened to impaler. He was sort of a jackass but I guess I wasn't around when he tried to make khazad into something more then a half assed visualizer.
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Re: Dwarf Fortress Clone?
« Reply #57 on: January 30, 2011, 02:22:02 am »
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Reading his Blog and it actually sounds like he went "Well, DF is awesome, so, if I were able to reverse engineer DF then I would be awesome!" and then decided to release/document the product.

Read the Khazad thread.

I think you'll find Toady's stance on "reverse engineering" and "Oh I may sell this for money, who knows?!" is now quite clear.

He doesn't like it. There isn't shit he can do about it, other than prevent them from advertising on his board. But it IS an issue to him. This guy hasn't been actively trying to interfere with Toady's donations like impaler, but what he's doing is essentially the same thing.
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Re: Dwarf Fortress Clone?
« Reply #58 on: January 30, 2011, 02:24:42 am »
I say if this clone dosn't get it's act together, and build it's own identity, I'm against it.

I'm all for dwarf fortress inspired games, even referances to DF in games, but there is always a line.
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Re: Dwarf Fortress Clone?
« Reply #59 on: January 30, 2011, 02:26:34 am »
Quote from: nenjin on January 30, 2011, 02:22:02 am
Read the Khazad thread.

I think you'll find Toady's stance on "reverse engineering" and "Oh I may sell this for money, who knows?!" is now quite clear.

He doesn't like it. There isn't shit he can do about it, other than prevent them from advertising on his board. But it IS an issue to him. This guy hasn't been actively trying to interfere with Toady's donations like impaler, but what he's doing is essentially the same thing.
Reverse Engineer probably wasn't the best word to use, it being loaded and all.

Quote from: Captain Mayday on January 30, 2011, 02:22:02 am
Using parsed output from DF's hardcoded stuff, it seems.

He's not trying to steal the game for himself, he's seeing if he can make the game by himself.
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