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[FearfulJesuit]

I am aware that two dwarves who are brother and sister will not marry.

What about cousins, or aunts/uncles and nephews/nieces? How far apart do two dwarves need to be?

[qoonpooka]

I am conducting this research right now in 40d.

Preliminary results: Two breeding pairs is not sufficient to produce a sustainable population.

Assumption: Anyone with a listed family status cannot go the Acquaintence->Friend->Lover->Spouse path.

Observation: If you have two breeding couples (1 and 2), Children of those couples will fall in love and pair off (couple 1,2).  Children of 1,2 will list every dwarf in the fort as family, excepting the 3 that are not part of the two breeding pairs.

Dwarves also seem to have a prohibition against cradle robbing (probably just as well), as I have yet to see one of my original 7 shacking up with any of the children born on site - the kids shack up the moment they hit adulthood, however.

My research on !!Genetics!! continues.

[Namfuak]

While cousins will not marry, I remember someone saying that aunts and nephews or uncles and nieces will marry. 

[qoonpooka]

While cousins will not marry, I remember someone saying that aunts and nephews or uncles and nieces will marry.

There is confusion here because dwarves who should have been listed as cousins were instead listed as aunts/uncles.  No one was listed as a cousin of the kids of couple 1,2.

[Greader]

So, if two breeding pairs aren't enough, how about three? Are six dwarves enough to be able to breed enough dwarves to get the population as high as your average fort?

[qoonpooka]

So, if two breeding pairs aren't enough, how about three? Are six dwarves enough to be able to breed enough dwarves to get the population as high as your average fort?

As I mentioned above, testing continues.  This is the scenario I am testing. I'll get back to you on that in a couple of weeks.

[Greader]

Alright. Good luck with the testing.

[darkflagrance]

I once ran a 50 year fort where the inhabitants grew up in one year and died in 10.

I regularly had cousins hitch up, along with nephews/nieces and their aunts/uncles. In my experience, only immediate family is off-limits.

I will agree that age difference is a factor, but I think that cradle robbing is just extremely slow/difficult rather than impossible.

[Girlinhat]

In order to test cradle robbing, you must do the reverse.  Dwarves which grow to adulthood in 50 years.  It might help if you tip the balance, and use burrows to force your desired pedophilia couple together.

Holy shit, did I just say that?

[Funtimes]

In order to test cradle robbing, you must do the reverse.  Dwarves which grow to adulthood in 50 years.  It might help if you tip the balance, and use burrows to force your desired pedophilia couple together.

Holy shit, did I just say that?

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This community outdoes itself every day.

[EvilFuzzy9]

I... don't think that's what they meant by cradle robbing. They probably just meant that dorfs are less likely to hook up with considerably younger dorfs, though not unheard of. Queen Urist of Blocklance comes to mind -- she was at least seventy years older than the guy she eventually ended up shacking with, if I remember correctly.

[Akura]

I... don't think that's what they meant by cradle robbing.

Honestly, I thought they did.

[qoonpooka]

I... don't think that's what they meant by cradle robbing. They probably just meant that dorfs are less likely to hook up with considerably younger dorfs, though not unheard of. Queen Urist of Blocklance comes to mind -- she was at least seventy years older than the guy she eventually ended up shacking with, if I remember correctly.

Was that during a fort?

The kids in my fort are more like 100-130 years younger than the eligible adults.

I have an unhitched female in my 3-couple fort right now, waiting for the first generation of kids (almost all male) to hid adulthoood and see what happens.  I may have to restart the experiment, though.  An elven donkey got wounded by the skeletal whatnot, kept falling unconscious and running around for about three seasons, being gnawed on by a trio of skeleton mountain goats (who couldn't seem to kill it even while it was out cold), and eventually went mad.  My dwarves looted it while I had a 'make lavish meal' order in the kitchen and my Talented cook grabbed three bags of flour and threw some cougar meat in for good measure.  Resulting meal stack was worth 4k and threw me right over the 10k line.  I'm bracing for ambushes at this point - they have a tendency to mess my last-dwarves forts up pretty badly. 

It may not be a loss, though.  Civ screen shows no  gobbos yet.

[Malibu Stacey]

Was that during a fort?

The kids in my fort are more like 100-130 years younger than the eligible adults.

I have an unhitched female in my 3-couple fort right now, waiting for the first generation of kids (almost all male) to hid adulthoood and see what happens.  I may have to restart the experiment, though.  An elven donkey got wounded by the skeletal whatnot, kept falling unconscious and running around for about three seasons, being gnawed on by a trio of skeleton mountain goats (who couldn't seem to kill it even while it was out cold), and eventually went mad.  My dwarves looted it while I had a 'make lavish meal' order in the kitchen and my Talented cook grabbed three bags of flour and threw some cougar meat in for good measure.  Resulting meal stack was worth 4k and threw me right over the 10k line.  I'm bracing for ambushes at this point - they have a tendency to mess my last-dwarves forts up pretty badly. 

It may not be a loss, though.  Civ screen shows no  gobbos yet.

Build some traps (cage or weapon with large serrated discs) or at worst dig a channel & build a retractable bridge over it at the entrance to your fortress with some chained animals to detect sneaking enemies so you know when to retract the bridge. They're utterly boring ways to deal with invaders but they're pretty fool proof ways of stopping them.

Or just turn off invaders in d_init.txt since you're experimenting.

[farm the man]

In order to test cradle robbing, you must do the reverse.  Dwarves which grow to adulthood in 50 years.  It might help if you tip the balance, and use burrows to force your desired pedophilia couple together.

Holy shit, did I just say that?

I'm sigging this.