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Stargrasper

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Re: Work Tomorrow (Wisconsin Protest)
« Reply #225 on: August 09, 2011, 10:34:32 pm »

Just out of curiosity, was that meant as a response to my earlier post?  Sure seems like it.

But you're right, I'm so disillusioned by the parties that I'm not paying the attention I should to the people.
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Re: Work Tomorrow (Wisconsin Protest)
« Reply #226 on: August 09, 2011, 10:39:22 pm »

Looks like it's gonna be a split decision, 3 R's stay in and 3 get tossed out.

@Vactor: I feel ya. I'm in the opposite boat, a contractor who WANTS to be a civil servant and can't get the damn government to hire me. And meanwhile sees a slew of people who have been there way too long and won't up and retire because of the economy. So younger people like me have no civil service jobs to fill.  :-\
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Re: Work Tomorrow (Wisconsin Protest)
« Reply #227 on: August 09, 2011, 11:42:52 pm »

As a Wisconsinite, this whole thing pisses me off.  It's such a waste to hold a recall election months after the actual election regardless of how you feel.

It's a generally held belief in this country that democracy is a pretty precious thing.  So shouldn't it be worth putting some effort into practicing it?  Recall elections are one of the safety valves of democracy, letting people keep politicians in line if they believe they are out of control.  Isn't that pretty much the whole point to democracy?  You can decide that the recall efforts are frivolous on the merits if you want.  But why go hating on all recalls?
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Re: Work Tomorrow (Wisconsin Protest)
« Reply #228 on: August 10, 2011, 10:54:46 am »

As a Wisconsinite, this whole thing pisses me off.  It's such a waste to hold a recall election months after the actual election regardless of how you feel.

It's a generally held belief in this country that democracy is a pretty precious thing.  So shouldn't it be worth putting some effort into practicing it?  Recall elections are one of the safety valves of democracy, letting people keep politicians in line if they believe they are out of control.  Isn't that pretty much the whole point to democracy?  You can decide that the recall efforts are frivolous on the merits if you want.  But why go hating on all recalls?

I didn't say anything about recalls in general.  I'm angry because there were calls very quickly after the actual elections.  That we're holding recalls within months of the elections.  These guys didn't have time to do much before people started calling for recalls.  Some of these guys only crime seems to be supporting Walker's controversial bills.

I'm not saying I like what he's doing, but I do think what's happening now is ridiculous.  And the conduct of both parties is sickening.
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Re: Work Tomorrow (Wisconsin Protest)
« Reply #229 on: August 10, 2011, 12:14:54 pm »

I think a recall is justified when there's a problem of this magnitude. They didn't have time to do much, but what they did have time to do was apparently completely unacceptable to enough people to justify a recall. I don't see a problem with people having lines that they won't allow their representatives to cross.
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Re: Work Tomorrow (Wisconsin Protest)
« Reply #230 on: August 10, 2011, 05:56:43 pm »

Some of these guys only crime seems to be supporting Walker's controversial bills.

Well, yeah... that's the point.  People don't like those bills and that budget.
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Re: Work Tomorrow (Wisconsin Protest)
« Reply #231 on: August 10, 2011, 06:18:43 pm »

Everyone who was/is being recalled hasn't had an election in 3 years.  A newly elected state official in Wisconsin comes with a 1 year grace period before any recall petition may be filed.  The Senate terms last 4 years, with half of the Senate coming up for election every 2 years.  All of the recalled senators were on the same ballot as Obama in 2008.
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Re: Work Tomorrow (Wisconsin Protest)
« Reply #232 on: August 10, 2011, 09:03:18 pm »

I stand corrected! That'll teach me to assume everything my opponent says is factually true.
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Re: Work Tomorrow (Wisconsin Protest)
« Reply #233 on: August 11, 2011, 12:00:54 am »

As another Wisconsinite, I can say I'm very much not pissed off by the recall effort. If you needed a 'crime' to take someone out of office, it would never happen, no matter how corrupt and self-aggrandizing they became during their term. You have to be able to remove people that are supporting blatantly misleading efforts to fill their own pockets, or there would be no barriers that could hold back the madness that would ensue. Supporting a bill built on the grounds of a manufactured deficit is more than enough reason to call out the big guns. I'm pleasantly surprised that it actually worked, even a little bit.
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