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Re: Work Tomorrow (Wisconsin Protest)
« Reply #90 on: March 09, 2011, 11:11:49 pm »

This is an even bigger mess whose box hasn't even been opened.  The budget bill cuts $1.5 Billion in shared revenue, which is money that the state pays back to local government to allow them the freedom to manage their own affairs without having to rely solely on property taxes.  It also includes a law that prevents said local governments from adjusting their property taxes to make up for the revenue loss, with the Governor instructing them to make up the difference in payroll cuts, with police and fire exempted.  Once people start to see this in action I have a feeling that there will be an even louder, and more forceful outcry.

That is absolutely horrific.  Where could they possibly find that money other then by mass layoffs of teachers?

Probably from the tax breaks they recently passed on the wealthiest citizens and corporate masters.
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Re: Work Tomorrow (Wisconsin Protest)
« Reply #91 on: March 09, 2011, 11:12:41 pm »

Yes, and we like to call ourselves "taxpayers".

Funny, I pay taxes and I don't hate public unions.  Are my taxes defective or something?
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Re: Work Tomorrow (Wisconsin Protest)
« Reply #92 on: March 09, 2011, 11:12:58 pm »

I've been working 60-80 hours a week, and I don't even get paid past the first 40 hours I work, where private employees will not only get paid, they get time and a half.

And are you union represented?  If you are your union is doing an awful job here.

Union is doing an awful job of representing public workers.  Union is making excessive demands and holding government hostage.

Tell me, what's it like to hold two diametrically opposed thoughts in your head at the same time?
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Re: Work Tomorrow (Wisconsin Protest)
« Reply #93 on: March 09, 2011, 11:17:23 pm »

I've been working 60-80 hours a week, and I don't even get paid past the first 40 hours I work, where private employees will not only get paid, they get time and a half.

And are you union represented?  If you are your union is doing an awful job here.

Union is doing an awful job of representing public workers.  Union is making excessive demands and holding government hostage.

Tell me, what's it like to hold two diametrically opposed thoughts in your head at the same time?

Unions are best at representing senior employees and retired members.  This guy sounds young.  The older union folk got theirs and are screwing him.
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Re: Work Tomorrow (Wisconsin Protest)
« Reply #94 on: March 09, 2011, 11:17:52 pm »

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Re: Work Tomorrow (Wisconsin Protest)
« Reply #95 on: March 09, 2011, 11:23:42 pm »

So did the unions sell out the younger members when they got the best deal they could in the good years or when they got the best deal they could in the bad years?  Because guess what; it's not the unions that decided to cut Vector's salary and use that money to give tax cuts to rich businessmen.
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Re: Work Tomorrow (Wisconsin Protest)
« Reply #96 on: March 09, 2011, 11:24:34 pm »

Only ~30% of the population is with you on that one.

Yes, and we like to call ourselves "taxpayers".


Its especially ironic considering the portion of that 30% that evade or avoid their taxes.

Unfortunately for you politically the 70% of the population that is apparently living off handouts from the "taxpayers" wins elections.


To get the discussion back to facts, 12% of the Wisconsin workforce is employed by the various governmental entities within the state, this includes the State itself, the counties, cities, townships, villages, and school districts.
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Re: Work Tomorrow (Wisconsin Protest)
« Reply #97 on: March 09, 2011, 11:24:41 pm »

Because guess what; it's not the unions that decided to cut Vector's salary and use that money to give tax cuts to rich businessmen.
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Re: Work Tomorrow (Wisconsin Protest)
« Reply #98 on: March 09, 2011, 11:26:08 pm »

The state is broke.  When you have major debt you are at the mercy of your creditors and the people who have money.  It's no different than for an individual.  Blame the elected officials that drove your state into the ground. 
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Re: Work Tomorrow (Wisconsin Protest)
« Reply #99 on: March 09, 2011, 11:28:14 pm »

The state is broke.  When you have major debt you are at the mercy of your creditors and the people who have money.  It's no different than for an individual.  Blame the elected officials that drove your state into the ground.

The budget shortfall is 0.4% of the total budget, Wisconsin is far from broke.
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Re: Work Tomorrow (Wisconsin Protest)
« Reply #100 on: March 09, 2011, 11:28:33 pm »

As of December 2010, Wisconsin's unemployment rate was about 7%.  But only 30% are taxpayers?  The IRS is truly incompetent, or do you think they only pay federal taxes?
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Re: Work Tomorrow (Wisconsin Protest)
« Reply #101 on: March 09, 2011, 11:29:08 pm »

The state is broke.  When you have major debt you are at the mercy of your creditors and the people who have money.  It's no different than for an individual.  Blame the elected officials that drove your state into the ground.

Or blame the economic crisis.  And who's to blame for that?  Oh yeah, poor black people of course! [/sarcasm]

The state is too broke to keep it's contractual obligations to school teachers but isn't too broke to do another round of tax cuts for the rich?
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Re: Work Tomorrow (Wisconsin Protest)
« Reply #102 on: March 09, 2011, 11:36:13 pm »

And who's to blame for that?  Oh yeah, poor black people of course!

Ok stooge, you are no longer worth my limited time.
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Re: Work Tomorrow (Wisconsin Protest)
« Reply #103 on: March 09, 2011, 11:37:45 pm »

And who's to blame for that?  Oh yeah, poor black people of course!

Ok stooge, you are no longer worth my limited time.

Wow, way to edit out the sarcasm tag.  That would totally convince anyone too lazy to look an inch above.
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Re: Work Tomorrow (Wisconsin Protest)
« Reply #104 on: March 09, 2011, 11:40:27 pm »

The state is broke.  When you have major debt you are at the mercy of your creditors and the people who have money.  It's no different than for an individual.  Blame the elected officials that drove your state into the ground.

The budget shortfall is 0.4% of the total budget, Wisconsin is far from broke.

Quoting myself, but in addition, Wisconsin doesn't allow itself to go into debt.  Every budget must be balanced.  Any shortfall is projected, and not current.  This is why we have budget adjustment bills come towards the end of a session, to account for what actually happened with revenue.

You have to remember I work in a non-partisan position, I get exposed to much more information than talking points.
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