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[Itsapaul]

Haven't played/updated since 31.19 since I'm not playing without knowing the layers before I okay a site, and I was curious whether they got added back in.  If not, still not going to play when abandons will happen many more times because you took information out I relied on.  Also, not trying to be bitter, but I could care less about the realism argument.  You can know layers before you dig irl (kinda the whole point of the mining industry) and I'm not playing a video game for it to be realistic.

[SpiralDimentia]

Okay, so, after rereading, I think I understand. You want to know whats in the rock before you dig there, right? The mining industry doesn't exactly work like that, as they mine a little to find out whats there, then start a big mine to get out what they find[Alaskan Gold Rush, ftw]. It's possible for a mining company to set up a site and find nothing[or very little.].

Half the fun in the game is using what you're given and making the best of it. Aquifer? Punch through it like an angry god. No metal ore? Stone crafts and trade for it. No stone? Woodland dwarves. Though, a world gen option was added to increase the frequency of metal if you don't want to work with the default, but that takes a little of the fun away.

And if you don't want realism, Minecraft is that way. =====>

[Sutremaine]

Though, a world gen option was added to increase the frequency of metal if you don't want to work with the default, but that takes a little of the fun away.

For you.

And if you don't want realism, Minecraft is that way. =====>

Should people who don't like the new mineral system go that way for fun as well?

[Krelos]

Cant say as I disagree with the OP.

Ohh, and I love the douche attitude from Spiral there. Real classy.

[Cotes]

The realism argument is stupid and not everyone gets a hard-on from punching through aquifers like angry-macho-god, but I do agree that other than not showing sand/clay and listing non-usable ore as "metal", there's not much wrong with the current embark screen. Knowing where there is metal, aquifers and flux is plenty of information - You don't need to have steel industry in every single fort even if you are not in it for the elitist-angry-god gameplay.

[proxn_punkd]

Layering stones are nice, but I've come to enjoy the little surprises of embarking on a site that advertises nothing but
Deep soil
Shallow Metals
Flux
Deep Metals

And finding that
- the deep soil is part loam and part fire clay
- the shallow metals are galena galena galena and more galena
- the flux is limestone
- the deep "metals" are tetrahedrite and cobaltite, and ye olde other blue stuff.

[SpiralDimentia]

Layering stones are nice, but I've come to enjoy the little surprises of embarking on a site that advertises nothing but
Deep soil
Shallow Metals
Flux
Deep Metals

And finding that
- the deep soil is part loam and part fire clay
- the shallow metals are galena galena galena and more galena
- the flux is limestone
- the deep "metals" are tetrahedrite and cobaltite, and ye olde other blue stuff.

This.

And my only attitude was saying Minecraft was that way. Everything else was just my opinion. If my opinion in not liking the game made easy for me is douchey, then.. well alright. =P

[ahonek]

Realism aside, I think you have little to gain by knowing everything about your zone before you embark, and a lot to lose in terms of surprise and replayability.

Plus, if you REALLY NEED that chert, or whatever ridiculously specific material you have in mind, just mod in a reaction to turn any type of stone into that type. It's really not any more game-breaking than being able to know everything about your layers before you embark.

I figure if layers are so important to you that you need to skip the beekeeping industry, pottery, waxworking, pastures, working healthcare, and the other several hundred changes and fun new features, then I guess it's your call.

Just my opinion, the game tends to be more fun for me when I don't know exactly what to expect at all times.

[ThrowerOfStones]

Haven't played/updated since 31.19 since I'm not playing without knowing the layers before I okay a site, and I was curious whether they got added back in.  If not, still not going to play when abandons will happen many more times because you took information out I relied on.  Also, not trying to be bitter, but I could care less about the realism argument.  You can know layers before you dig irl (kinda the whole point of the mining industry) and I'm not playing a video game for it to be realistic.

If the reason you want layer stones is because you really, really want to build everything out of, say, limestone, well then, no, the current version won't satisfy your needs - nor likely will any future edition.

If the reason you want layer stones is to make sure that youe embark has iron/silver/platinum/whatever metals, then yes, the current version will meet your needs - just set mineral density sufficiently low and you'll be swimming in every type of metal just like 31.18.

[Patchy]

While the current embark readout doesn't bother me that much, I would definately like to see a compromise where we could see what the first rock layer is at least. You can easily tell what it is without digging once you embark so why isn't the info there to begin with. And perhaps show the soil layers too, though that I don't care about as much.

[SpiralDimentia]

While the current embark readout doesn't bother me that much, I would definately like to see a compromise where we could see what the first rock layer is at least.

I'm okay with this. If it's visible without having to dig, then yeah.

[greenskye]

As someone who was initially worried about the new embark/metal system I can assure you that the new metal scarcity value solves most of the problems. If you're looking for lots of ore for your steel industry you may be dissappointed, but if you set it low enough you will have plenty of metal to play with.