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[Askot Bokbondeler]

i always thought it was a bit silly that a dwarf could reach legendary status with just a month practicing his trade, so i came up with this mod.
add these tags to the dwarf creature on creature_standard.txt

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[SKILL_RATES:10:0:0:0]
[SKILL_RATE:LEADERSHIP:100:0:0:0]      [SKILL_RATE:KNOWLEDGE_ACQUISITION:100:0:0:0]

military skills, up these if game is too hard
[SKILL_RATE:TEACHING:100:0:0:0]         [SKILL_RATE:MELEE_COMBAT:10:0:0:0]      [SKILL_RATE:RANGED_COMBAT:10:0:0:0]
[SKILL_RATE:WRESTLING:10:0:0:0]         [SKILL_RATE:GRASP_STRIKE:10:0:0:0]      [SKILL_RATE:STANCE_STRIKE:10:0:0:0]
[SKILL_RATE:DODGING:10:0:0:0]         [SKILL_RATE:AXE:10:0:0:0]         [SKILL_RATE:SWORD:10:0:0:0]
[SKILL_RATE:DAGGER:10:0:0:0]         [SKILL_RATE:MACE:10:0:0:0]         [SKILL_RATE:HAMMER:10:0:0:0]
[SKILL_RATE:SPEAR:10:0:0:0]         [SKILL_RATE:CROSSBOW:10:0:0:0]         [SKILL_RATE:SHIELD:10:0:0:0]
[SKILL_RATE:ARMOR:10:0:0:0]

health skills, you better embark with a proficient surgeon
[NATURAL_SKILL:CRUTCH_WALK:3]         [SKILL_RATE:DRESS_WOUNDS:10:0:0:0]      [SKILL_RATE:DIAGNOSE:10:0:0:0]
[SKILL_RATE:SURGERY:10:0:0:0]         [SKILL_RATE:SET_BONE:10:0:0:0]         [SKILL_RATE:SUTURE:10:0:0:0]

lowly skills, these do not improve and are treated like hauling
[SKILL_RATE:MINING:0:0:1000:1000]      [SKILL_RATE:WOODCUTTING:0:0:1000:1000]      [SKILL_RATE:PROCESSFISH:0:0:1000:1000]
[SKILL_RATE:BUTCHER:0:0:1000:1000]      [SKILL_RATE:TANNER:0:0:1000:1000]      [SKILL_RATE:WEAVING:0:0:1000:1000]
[SKILL_RATE:BREWING:0:0:1000:1000]      [SKILL_RATE:MILLING:0:0:1000:1000]      [SKILL_RATE:PROCESSPLANTS:0:0:1000:1000]
[SKILL_RATE:MILK:0:0:1000:1000]         [SKILL_RATE:COOK:0:0:1000:1000]         [SKILL_RATE:PLANT:0:0:1000:1000]
[SKILL_RATE:HERBALISM:0:0:1000:1000]      [SKILL_RATE:FISH:0:0:1000:1000]         [SKILL_RATE:SMELT:0:0:1000:1000]
[SKILL_RATE:CUTGEM:0:0:1000:1000]      [SKILL_RATE:SHEARING:0:0:1000:1000]      [SKILL_RATE:SPINNING:0:0:1000:1000]
[SKILL_RATE:WOOD_BURNING:0:0:1000:1000]      [SKILL_RATE:LYE_MAKING:0:0:1000:1000]      [SKILL_RATE:POTASH_MAKING:0:0:1000:1000]
[SKILL_RATE:OPERATE_PUMP:0:0:1000:1000] 

i usually play with military skills at normal rates, but i'm going to try them nerfed down with the other skills, so that's what i'm uploading. i'm leaving student and teacher at normal rates, though

the mod nerfs skill gain to one tenth of normal gain, deactivates skill gain for a bunch of skills that i consider unqualified(beware it includes mining), but also deactivates skill rusting, since skills are now so hard to acquire

this mod goes great with nerfed down farming and the new metal scarcity, and almost makes danger rooms and training workshops fair game

[IT 000]

Fascinating mod. I'm in the mood for a good laugh, let's see how Urist McBoltthrower likes this...

[Deon]

There still is the problem with migrants which come legendary and rend your training useless.

[Askot Bokbondeler]

eh, they're not silly, they practiced their trades for many years before migrating to your fortress, it's fair for them to keep their ranks

those useless farmers and miners, though, claiming to be "high masters", how hard can it be to swing a pick or throw a few seeds into a plot? i took care of those...

[Deon]

Yep, also lowered skill gains probably affect migrants as well, to a lower effect but still.

[Max White]

This is dead sexy, and I'm slapping it onto my version. Askot Bokbondeler, your aspirations to make life hell for all dwarf kind is an inspiration to us all, and you should be proud to wear the title of modder.

[Rochndil]

Good afternoon.

I haven't looked at the relevant raws myself (assuming I could figure it out), but I did have a thought about this issue the other day while testing .19. What really needs to happen is to change the skill progression from a linear scale to a logarithmic or exponential one. The current wiki page doesn't list the skill progression data, but IIRC it's either completely linear or damned close. A more appropriate scale would make it easy to learn the basics, while making it increasingly difficult to attain the higher levels, with LEGENDARY an all-but-unachievable goal.

Rochndil, who thinks he spelled logarithmic correctly...

[Deon]

It's definitely NOT linear, for higher levels you need more and more XP, but still it's not even close to an exponent.

[Rochndil]

You're correct Deon. I finally found the table on the wiki.

http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/DF2010:Experience

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Lvl Title XP
0 Dabbling 1
1 Novice 500
2 Adequate 1100
3 Competent 1800
4 Skilled 2600
5 Proficient * 3500
6 Talented 4500

Lvl Title XP
7 Adept 5600
8 Expert 6800
9 Professional 8100
10 Accomplished 9500
11 Great 11000
12 Master 12600
13 High Master 14300

Lvl Title XP
14 Grand Master 16100
15 Legendary 18000
16 Legendary+1** 20000
17 Legendary+2** 22100
18 Legendary+3** 24300
19 Legendary+4** 26600
20 Legendary+5*** 29000
From 0 to 1 is 500xp, while from 14 to 15 (Legendary) is only 1,900. Considering that as dwarves improve in experience, they accomplish more, and do faster (both from stat-ups and skill-ups) the system is heavily stacked to produce multiple-legendaries with little effort. A more sensible system would make the highest level DRAMATICALLY more difficult to achieve than about 4x the lowest. I'm fiddling with other stuff right now, but this is definitely an area where I'd like to see a more appropriate progression. Anyone who likes my suggestion is welcome to use and abuse it at their pleasure.

Rochndil, who ain't great at math...

[Askot Bokbondeler]

am cut off from the internet for the rest of the month, but i'm just gonna leave a comment here

playing with military skills in slow progression is fucking hard! you have to balance a low fortress value to avoid being attacked to early, so you have to be careful with legendary dining rooms, this combined with a constant lack of booze, derived from a moded low yield crop, and long training seasons, means tantrums are a constant danger

and extremelly weak war dogs!!(i moded their size to produce less meat, they now die fighting ducks) i assigned two to each dwarf, i now notice they're so weak their only use is to give their owner a bad thought when they are inevitably butchered...

this is the most fun i had in years. as soon as i lose, and believe me, i'm gonna lose, i'm gonna polish this up a bit and release it as "askot's fucking hard mod"

main features:
plump helmets are no longer growable, they're extremely common, though, and you can gather them from caverns with your 0 skill herbalists
cave weat, pig tail and dimple cups take 3 seasons to grow, you have to plant all your seeds in early to mid spring or risk losing your seeds, they only grow in  clusters of 1, and your farmers never gain skill...
downgraded the value of plants, if you want to make cloth trading a viable industry you must dye it
plump helmets and cave wheat are the only underground booze producing plants
dogs die fighting ducks(this is unintended, although FUN!) and produce only 6 meat, no organ meat form any animal
most large animals reach their full size only at their third or fourth year of life

ii've also added a few features to make life a bit easier
i'm trying, with limited success, to include boiled leather as a better alternative to leather as armor material
included reactions to create spears and clubs from wood and bone
got rid of most useless metals, all that is left is iron, copper, tin, silver and gold, alloy metals are steel, bronze and electrum, this means that if at embark you see *metals*, it probably means metals
added reactions to give all civs access to metals despite their starting locations

there's more, but my laptop ran out of power, see ya...

[Deon]

i'm trying, with limited success, to include boiled leather as a better alternative to leather as armor material

Eheh..
"A merchant is caught in a cloud of boiling boiled leather".

Sorry, couldn't resist the joke . If you were modding stuff pre-df2010, you should get the reference.

[TomiTapio]

Someone might find this useful:
for the dwarf creature and DF .31.25.

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[VIEWRANGE:28] --for better see-target-creatures range, birds should have range 40.
[SKILL_RATES:115:60:12:120] --custom 115%, mostly mining and stonedetailing go up too fast.

[SKILL_RATE:DODGING:145:60:12:120]
[SKILL_RATE:MELEE_COMBAT:140:60:12:120] --the primary xp points of combat.
[SKILL_RATE:WRESTLING:105:60:12:120]
[SKILL_RATE:SNEAK:155:60:12:120] --for hunters
[SKILL_RATE:CRUTCH_WALK:165:60:12:120]
[SKILL_RATE:KNOWLEDGE_ACQUISITION:155:60:12:120] --student, can embark with military teacher.

[SKILL_RATE:ARMOR:165:60:12:120]
[SKILL_RATE:SHIELD:155:60:12:120]

[SKILL_RATE:HAMMER:145:60:12:120]
[SKILL_RATE:AXE:145:60:12:120]
[SKILL_RATE:CROSSBOW:145:60:12:120]

[SKILL_RATE:DRESS_WOUNDS:100:60:12:120]
[SKILL_RATE:DIAGNOSE:100:60:12:120]
[SKILL_RATE:SURGERY:90:60:12:120]
[SKILL_RATE:SET_BONE:100:60:12:120]
[SKILL_RATE:SUTURE:90:60:12:120]