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Highest Irrelevant American Third-Party Result (Major Party Results Will Be Bullied)

Socialist
- 16 (32%)
Green
- 8 (16%)
Peace and Freedom
- 2 (4%)
Democratic
- 1 (2%)
Transhumanist
- 11 (22%)
Libertarian
- 8 (16%)
Republican
- 2 (4%)
Constitution
- 2 (4%)

Total Members Voted: 49


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SalmonGod

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Re: Shit, let's be DISC throwers.
« Reply #2430 on: November 21, 2013, 11:05:43 pm »

Also, while we're on the topic of pseudoscience personality test silliness, this article is excellent.

Err... I would have actually liked to read an article about Extroverts. Instead, I got a poorly-concealed rant about how needy, dysfunctional, self-absorbed, and generally terrible Introverts are. :\

The article wasn't even about extroverts and introverts. Anyone with half a brain can see most of that list is blatant facetiousness. I could write the same thing from the other side of the coin, and it would sound exactly as stupid, false, and elitist. Rather than a poorly concealed rant, I posted it as a well-concealed reminder that we, far too often, come up with arbitrary and ridiculous ways to separate and feel superior to each other. Introverts vs extroverts is just the latest dumb way of doing that, and it goes both ways.

And yet, the comments there on it go on to embody the elitist behavior it's describing :I

So are you saying that you don't believe that the introversion/extroversion spectrum is a real thing that can accurately describe people, or that you just don't like the way people are using those labels as slanders or badges of honor?

There is a lot of really shitty elitism going on with the whole introvert vs extrovert thing on the internet.  I've seen quite a few articles written about introversion by introverts that made me want to claw the author's eyes out for behaving much as that article described, and giving introversion or any recognition of the subject at all a bad rep.

But the differences are real, and not recognized or respected by our culture nearly as much as they should be.
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Re: Shit, let's be DISC throwers.
« Reply #2431 on: November 21, 2013, 11:34:29 pm »

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You want to know who wasn't an introvert? Jesus.
That is word-for-word the exact logic I use when making ridiculous claims in real life, Hitler substituted where applicable. No, I think I'm superior because of my intelligence and experience, my introversion is either a beneficial, neutral or harmful trait depending on the circumstance.

Anyway, Introversion is just, another prism. These are all just prisms through which to view ourselves. In reality most people are of course not going to fit into a specific thing, because there is always a person who simply doesn't apply to a label; there will be a person out there who defines say, extrovert, but most don't. There are a lot of different people, and they are complex beings. But at the same time we don't want to just throw up our hands and say that we can never know. What we can do is hold a quiz between us and the wall and see what shape it makes, and pick up a different quiz and see what that does, and maybe after a while pattern will develop of certain shapes, certain colors, and just maybe we'll learn about ourselves.
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Re: Shit, let's be DISC throwers.
« Reply #2432 on: November 21, 2013, 11:39:31 pm »

So are you saying that you don't believe that the introversion/extroversion spectrum is a real thing that can accurately describe people, or that you just don't like the way people are using those labels as slanders or badges of honor?

No, the difference has been tested to some extent. It's extrapolation that's the problem. I see people talking about introvert vs extrovert ALL THE TIME on Facebook and every tenth blog article. Since the last article linked was a bit cruel and way too facetious, here's the problem with it put more eloquently and less sarcastically:

http://thesocietypages.org/cyborgology/2013/08/29/the-introvert-fetish/

It's totally understandable anyone could be jaded by a large society constantly pushing for "outgoing" and "charismatic" traits, and how anyone could be jaded by a flurry of meme images mocking them for having plenty of friends, but reversed stupidity is not intelligence.

It's annoying that they don't keep the colors for the different traits consistent. What's the point of a colorful graph if the colors change between tests?

Until seeing mastahcheese's, I was tempted to think they just reused the same image for each result and changed the text  :P

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You want to know who wasn't an introvert? Jesus.
That is word-for-word the exact logic I use when making ridiculous claims in real life, Hitler substituted where applicable. No, I think I'm superior because of my intelligence and experience, my introversion is either a beneficial, neutral or harmful trait depending on the circumstance.

Anyway, Introversion is just, another prism. These are all just prisms through which to view ourselves. In reality most people are of course not going to fit into a specific thing, because there is always a person who simply doesn't apply to a label; there will be a person out there who defines say, extrovert, but most don't. There are a lot of different people, and they are complex beings. But at the same time we don't want to just throw up our hands and say that we can never know. What we can do is hold a quiz between us and the wall and see what shape it makes, and pick up a different quiz and see what that does, and maybe after a while pattern will develop of certain shapes, certain colors, and just maybe we'll learn about ourselves.

Thank you for being a reasonable person.
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Re: Shit, let's be DISC throwers.
« Reply #2433 on: November 21, 2013, 11:52:31 pm »

It's annoying that they don't keep the colors for the different traits consistent. What's the point of a colorful graph if the colors change between tests?
Until seeing mastahcheese's, I was tempted to think they just reused the same image for each result and changed the text  :P
Apparently I'm so one-dimensional that the chart had too many figures it could use.
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Re: Shit, let's be DISC throwers.
« Reply #2434 on: November 22, 2013, 12:44:32 am »

So are you saying that you don't believe that the introversion/extroversion spectrum is a real thing that can accurately describe people, or that you just don't like the way people are using those labels as slanders or badges of honor?

No, the difference has been tested to some extent. It's extrapolation that's the problem. I see people talking about introvert vs extrovert ALL THE TIME on Facebook and every tenth blog article. Since the last article linked was a bit cruel and way too facetious, here's the problem with it put more eloquently and less sarcastically:

http://thesocietypages.org/cyborgology/2013/08/29/the-introvert-fetish/

It's totally understandable anyone could be jaded by a large society constantly pushing for "outgoing" and "charismatic" traits, and how anyone could be jaded by a flurry of meme images mocking them for having plenty of friends, but reversed stupidity is not intelligence.

Yeah, I mostly agree with everything in the introvert fetish article.  Never dug as deeply into the root origin and meaning of the fetish, but I've definitely recognized it and been very annoyed by it, as I described before.  It's all just a bunch of immaturity, though, and it comes from all sides, like you said.

Definitely doesn't mean that the subject isn't worthy of awareness, though.

Introversion vs extroversion is really not meant to represent anything more than stimulation threshold.  The more introverted you are, the lower your threshold, and the easier it is for you to be over-stimulated.  That's really all it is.  This is an easily observable thing that people tend to be fairly consistent about, and can only fail to describe a person as much as one can fail to be described as short or tall.  I think the same can be said for the other three spectrums on Myers-Briggs as well.

They're absolutely not meant to paint a complete picture of a person.  Just like not all short people are the same, not all introverts are deep and intelligent.  The people who try to frame it as such do not know what the hell they're talking about.

But there are clear differences in the way someone's stimulation threshold can effect how one experiences life and interacts with society, just as there are in the way a really short person experiences the world vs a really tall person.  Being formally aware of that subject is important for making society more inclusive.  For example, public schools might realize that they're mainly designed around the needs of extroverted children, and sort of force introverts to just tough it out.  But that's never going to happen unless the whole thing gets taken seriously as a little bit more than pseudoscience.  You don't need hard science to recognize that a certain terminology can be useful for describing human features, and that simply having the proper language in place can go a long way towards building useful understanding.
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Re: Shit, let's be oh god oh god no, I can't do this, let me crawl under my bed.
« Reply #2435 on: November 22, 2013, 01:44:53 am »

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Time for something I'm sure Bay 12 is replete with, horribly crippling social anxiety. I scored 49, so I don't have social anxiety. Technically. Nerds.
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Re: Shit, let's be oh god oh god no, I can't do this, let me crawl under my bed.
« Reply #2436 on: November 22, 2013, 01:49:44 am »

22! Whoo.
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Re: Shit, let's be oh god oh god no, I can't do this, let me crawl under my bed.
« Reply #2437 on: November 22, 2013, 01:53:57 am »

36

That actually seems about right. I'm not terribly anxious socially. Some situations give me problems, but overall I'm well adjusted.
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Re: Shit, let's be oh god oh god no, I can't do this, let me crawl under my bed.
« Reply #2438 on: November 22, 2013, 01:56:16 am »

15.

I haven't partied much and calling people bothers me in general, but other than that not much anything there.

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Re: Shit, let's be oh god oh god no, I can't do this, let me crawl under my bed.
« Reply #2439 on: November 22, 2013, 01:57:51 am »

Talking to people on the phone only bothers me because of a certain incident with an SO. >.>
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« Reply #2440 on: November 22, 2013, 02:08:23 am »

45. Some of the examples weren't things avoided out of fear, but just out of courtesy. Disagreeing with people you don't know, using a phone in public, etc. Or using a public restroom, because they're usually so nasty (is that a fear of nastiness, or can we all just agree that public men's restrooms are horrible?).
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Re: Shit, let's be oh god oh god no, I can't do this, let me crawl under my bed.
« Reply #2441 on: November 22, 2013, 02:12:33 am »

Calling ss a problem for me because I feel like I'm not committing myself (in terms of what I'm doing) entirely to the person I'm talking to when I'm on the phone. I don't like that, especially when calling someone is specifically to talk to them. When I'm talking to a phone, I end up sounding really dismissive about everything because no body language goes through. I wave my hands around when I talk in person, dang it, and you can't do that on a phone.

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« Reply #2442 on: November 22, 2013, 02:28:50 am »

50. It would be higher but I live in a place (NYC represent!) where constant contact with other people is simply unavoidable, so certain things are rubbed out of you very quickly. If I lived in a Suburb, or god forbid a rural area, I'd be well over the limit.

So Psychologists were wrong. I think the test would've been more accurate if there had been a fourth option (Crippling, with a point value of 4), which would have allowed more intense preferences, and probably pushed me over the limit.
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Re: Shit, let's be oh god oh god no, I can't do this, let me crawl under my bed.
« Reply #2443 on: November 22, 2013, 02:33:07 am »

53. I'm sort of on the line but not quite there. Just please for the love of god don't watch me work, make me get a girlfriend or perform in front of an audience.
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Re: Shit, let's be oh god oh god no, I can't do this, let me crawl under my bed.
« Reply #2444 on: November 22, 2013, 02:40:10 am »

53. I'm close. Makes sense, though. I avoid groups larger than five or six, and serious conversations make me uncomfortable proportional to their seriousness.

Weirdly enough, I really don't care about interacting with salespeople in normal situations (such as returning an item, I go downhill if it's something awkward like me spilling something). I know salespeople are a big thing for most of the people I know with any level of social anxiety.
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