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[Darkmere]

Yeah I saw the update and not one word of it makes any sense to me.

[Frumple]

Eh? Whachoo mean, Dark? Most of the extended list is fairly straightforward, barring the occasional dip into addon/coding stuff...

[Darkmere]

Pretty much everything in the "Expanded Changelist." Were those problems? What do those do? I'm lost... But I admit i never kept up with modding stuff or mechanics stuff in the first place. For this game I'm the "end-user" that IT guys hate

[Frumple]

Spoiler: Convient somewhat half-hearted breakdown (click to show/hide)

-- These are straightforward additions/changes
Respec is possible in the Eidolon plane, like in town
New lore to be found in Tannen's tower
Status effects in tooltips will show charges, if any // Bone shield improvement, probably
Wraithform is now instant, takes less vim and provides better bonuses to armour and defence
Losgoroth are enemies to all

-- These are bug fixes
Fixed the tooth of the mouth rarity
Resources regen on hit cant happen on yourself // this, in particular, is to discourage self-flagellation for folks that have stuff like equilibrium-on-hit items. Previously, you could whack yourself and speed up resource gain
Fixed Frenzy killing the user // This was basically instakilling dredges.
Fixed escort quests to correctly gran mental saves // Gran is typo for grant.

-- Addion/coding/etc stuff
Races can define "_forbid_start_override" to not be subjected to archmages/chronomancers/.. different starting zones // Should be obvious -- simple disable for class-based starting zones.
New FontPackages engine class, lets easily define and switch "themes" of fonts // Addon stuff, mostly, seems to... do what it says on the tin. Easy font swapping.
Lore can now have a template=true field that shows it must be processed first // Pretty sure this is a graphical thing. Probably lets you screw with how a lore popup looks like.
New hooks "Zone:loadEvents" and "Boot:loadBackground" //Should... be relatively straightforward? Event stuff in zones for the former, probably something to do with... well, the menu background, for the latter.
GameState:findEventGridRadius also returns the center of the grids // What is says on the tin. Presumably that bit of code was previously ignoring the center.
Addons can now be bundled into packages containing multiple ones // Obvious -- easy of use for mod packs, et al.
Combat:attackTargetWith also returns damage // Pretty much what it says. I'm not sure exactly what attackTargetWith did, but I'm guessing it could previously bypass retaliation damage or somethin'. Alternately, it was some kind of display or code feedback issue. I don't actually code or anything, so I don't really know.
Addons can add a new splashscreen by having a special boot-screen folder // As on tin. The loading screen stuff, mostly I think.
Building map generator can have margins now // As per tin, whatever the building map generator is, now can define margins. I'd guess it's whatever handles stuff like in the rhaloren camp.
Block effect can have custom handlers // Block effects, being shields. Not sure what a custom handler is, but it's code related. Blocking can probably do fancier things, now.
New callbacks: callbackOnSummonDeath, callbackOnRun, callbackOnBlock, callbackOnTalentDisturbed, callbackOnTemporaryEffect
Callbacks now work for items too, they trigger by default when worn, but can be forced to trigger even when not by setting carrier_callbacks = true on the item // Not actually sure what a callback does, but it's coding related. Again, all those things are probably capable of fancier stuff, now.
New actor:talentDialog method to spawn a blocking dialog in a talent // Not sure what a blocking dialog does, but, well. Talent and dialog related, so there's some kind of interaction there.

-- These are all graphical non-things. Mostly making the game prettier or filling in previous graphic holes/updating old graphics
New gfx effect for Darkest Light
New awesome corona gxf effect
Living Lightning and Caustic Golem have some gfx effect now
Artifact sword, tridents, maces, daggers (plus a few more) added to player dolls
Disabled the animated background on the main menu, it was always lagging behind in terms of prettiness
Switched to a new default font, the previous one is still available in the GameOptions as the "web" one
Custom made tiles can now be used (by donators), simply follow the howto in the birth dialog
Particle effects attached to an entity can be translated

[Darkmere]

Thanks for typing that up. The coding stuff still means basically nothing to me, but I assume it's not supposed to. I guess I just never ran into the rest... I didn't know things could commit suicide by frenzy... which I guess is an ability... or that there was gear that would make you want to hit yourself.

I'll figure out the rest when I get back to it, no worries.

[Frumple]

Re: Frenzy, dredges and devourers were the main culprits. Dredge captains had a talent that let them frenzy themselves and surrounding dredges (after which they would promptly all die, like, two turns later), and devourers had the obvious bloody frenzy thing (which, again, was promptly killing them).

And yeah, both gear and a talent or two re: resource gain -- self-flagellation was one of the few ways a non-wilder anti-magic character could regain equilibrium without getting in a fight, by smashing yourself in the face with something that triggered resolve. Also one of the few ways mindslayers had to regen psi outside of a fight for a loooong while, as well -- was still the fastest, in a per turn sense, even after base psi regen was added. Even ABs got in on the fun, recently -- and let me just say, swapping in a couple of, say, mindstars (anything you did crap damage with, really) to whack yourself with, while you've got lightning hands up is -- well, was -- an excellent way to rapidly regenerate mana.

Get low on resources, turn a corner, swap in low-damage weapons that trigger whatever effect you've got, bop yourself in the head a few times, jump back into the fight before the enemy can heal much/any. It was good stuff. Rarely needed, and definitely a niche application, but occasionally useful.

[Darkmere]

Ashes of Urh'Rok is out now, and on Steam for $4. Download is 24 mb. Already purchased, downloading. Hrng.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/316910/

[Frumple]

Spoiler: tiny spoiler (click to show/hide)

Don't touch the statue. Seriously.

[Oneir]

Spoiler: tiny spoiler (click to show/hide)

Don't touch the statue. Seriously.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Well now I gotta.

[Frumple]

Spoiler: Well... (click to show/hide)

Enjoy. From what I observed, you have a chance of, at least, one of two things happening. The seemingly more likely one is nothing. The slightly less likely one is a 20th level quasit being dropped on your (probably around level 3) ass.

Actually code diving it, you've got a 30% chance of nothing happening, 30% chance of getting a leveled up demon dropped on you, 20% chance of a random debuff (a couple of which looks like they might be able to kill you), 15% chance of a random buff, and then a puny 5% chance of an arcane artifact.

Enjoy those dice rolls.

[Darkmere]

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Glad I was able to resist the jolly, candy-like buttons...

So, dwarves make pretty good min/maxy doombringers. You get access to reknor, deep bellow and the new starter, and all the normals. Loot shower ahoy!

[Oneir]

Spoiler: Pull the lever, Kronk! (click to show/hide)

Yeah, I got a Ruin Banshee statue on floor 1. If I hadn't gotten a Tirakal's Maul from a random asshole on that floor I would have gone for it.

So, dwarves make pretty good min/maxy doombringers. You get access to reknor, deep bellow and the new starter, and all the normals. Loot shower ahoy!

And here I was just lamenting how embarrassingly squished my elf was...does anyone know what the "play a doombringer as one of these races!" pop-up is about? Stonewardens are the only mechanically restricted races, and it doesn't seem like doombringer should be a lore-restricted one. (Yeek doombringer is too hilarious a concept for words. I am not a good enough player to pull it off.)

EDIT: Y'know, I just remembered how burnt out I got on dwarves the last time I played. There's something so repetitive about Reknor, it makes you wonder why it doesn't have any sort of Alt layout.

[Frumple]

Eh, I went with cornac for vanilla experience. Overabundance of clerics managed to take off a life (well, the first try got completely murdered by that mentioned quasit), but it's otherwise been going fairly well, so far. I've... actually skipped over the sandworm pit and daikara, at the moment. Walked into dreadfell at 17, trying to get an elder vampire to spawn. Borfast was a bastard. Mostly due to retch stripping off my active infusions and whatnot. Took forever to kill, bleh. Also you seriously have to disable incinerating blows when fighting luminous horrors. Most everything else is just casually keeling over, even the randunique greater acid demon that spawned in one of those switch vaults.

I'm finding that staff is definitely the doombringer's ideal weapon (if you're sticking with two-handers, anyway), which is vaguely annoying due to the initial gold outlay, but... eh. Lucked out on a rare elven-wood one... somewhere in OF, I think? Base damage isn't as high as I'd like, but there's no complaints in regards to a +23 SP, +20% fire damage deathstick at this point in the game. I'd post th'char link, but something wonky seems to be happening with the server or... something... and it's not updating.

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[ToME4 @ www.te4.org Character Dump]

Sex              : Female       STR:  47
Race             : Cornac       DEX:  14
Class            : Doombringer  MAG:  39
Level            : 18           WIL:  25
Exp              : 59%          CUN:  22
Gold             : 436.69       CON:  24
Times died       : 1
Lifes left       : 4

Accuracy(Main Hand):  41        Life             :     567/567  Encumbrance      : 94/124
Damage  (Main Hand):  35        Stamina          :     228/228  Difficulty       : Normal
Permadeath       : Adventure
APR     (Main Hand):   5        Mana             :     0/297
Crit    (Main Hand):  23%       Positive         :     0/101
Speed   (Main Hand): 0.87       
                                Vim              :     148/153
                               
                               

Fatigue          : 16%          Spellpower       : 45.333333333333
Armor            : 38.50863224038Spell Crit       : 8.6%
Armor Hardiness  : 30%          Spell Speed      : 0.8695652173913
Defense          : 4.4         
Ranged Defense   : 4.4         
All damage       : 0%

Physical Save    : 31.425
Spell Save       : 27.2
Mental Save      : 27.225

All Resists:   0%
Disarm Resistance:  20%
Pinning Resistance:  21%
Knockback Resistance:  20%
Instadeath Resistance: 100%

Number of NPC killed: 782
Most killed NPC: investigator (32)

  [Talents Chart]

 - Technique / Combat techniques      (mastery 1.10)
    Rush (class)                      0/5
    Precise Strikes (class)           0/5
    Perfect Strike (class)            0/5
    Blinding Speed (class)            0/5
 - Technique / Combat veteran         (mastery 1.30)
    Quick Recovery (class)            1/5
    Fast Metabolism (class)           1/5
    Spell Shield (class)              0/5
    Unending Frenzy (class)           0/5
 - Technique / Combat training        (mastery 1.30)
    Thick Skin (generic)              0/5
    Armour Training (generic)         1/5
    Combat Accuracy (generic)         3/5
    Weapons Mastery (generic)         1/5
    Dagger Mastery (generic)          0/5
 - Cunning / Survival                 (mastery 1.10)
    Heightened Senses (generic)       0/5
    Charm Mastery (generic)           0/5
    Piercing Sight (generic)          0/5
    Evasion (generic)                 0/5
 - Spell / Staff combat               (mastery 1.00)
    Channel Staff (generic)           1/5
    Staff Mastery (generic)           1/5
    Defensive Posture (generic)       0/5
    Blunt Thrust (generic)            0/5
 - Corruption / Hexes                 (mastery 1.10)
    Pacification Hex (generic)        0/5
    Burning Hex (generic)             0/5
    Empathic Hex (generic)            0/5
    Domination Hex (generic)          0/5
 - Corruption / Shadowflame           (mastery 1.30)
    Wraithform (class)                0/5
    Darkfire (class)                  0/5
    Flame of Urh'Rok (class)          0/5
    Fearscape (class)                 0/5
 - Corruption / Brutality             (mastery 1.30)
    Draining Assault (class)          2/5
    Fiery Grasp (class)               0/5
    Reckless Strike (class)           0/5
    Share the Pain (class)            0/5
 - Corruption / Torture               (mastery 1.30)
    Incinerating Blows (class)        5/5
    Abduction (class)                 1/5
    Fiery Torment (class)             1/5
    Eternal Suffering (class)         3/5
 - Corruption / Wrath                 (mastery 1.30)
    Obliterating Smash (class)        1/5
    Detonating Charge (class)         1/5
    Voracious Blade (class)           1/5
    Destroyer (class)                 0/5
 - Corruption / Heart of Fire         (mastery 1.20)
    Burning Sacrifice (class)         4/5
    Devouring Flames (class)          1/5
    Inferno Nexus (class)             3/5
    Blazing Rebirth (class)           0/5
 - Corruption / Demonic strength      (mastery 1.50)
    Dismember (generic)               4/5
    Surge of Power (generic)          1/5
    Demonic Blood (generic)           2/5
    Abyssal Shield (generic)          4/5
 - Corruption / Oppression            (mastery 1.20)
    Horrifying Blows (generic)        2/5
    Mass Hysteria (generic)           0/5
    Fearfeast (generic)               0/5
    Hope Wanes (generic)              0/5

  [Inscriptions (3/3)]

Infusion: Wild
Infusion: Regeneration
Rune: Reflection Shield

  [Current Effects]

- Horrifying Blows
- Abyssal Shield
- Incinerating Blows

  [Character Equipment]

 In main hand
a) elven-wood vilestaff 'Brodukath' (20-24 power, 5 apr, fire element)
   Type: weapon / staff ; tier 4
It must be held with both hands.

Base power: 20.0 - 24.0
Uses stat: 80% Mag
Damage type: Physical
Mastery: Staff Mastery
Accuracy bonus: +2.5% procs dam / acc
Armour Penetration: +5
Physical crit. chance: +5.5%
Attack speed: 100%
When wielded/worn:
Accuracy: +4
Fatigue: -2%
Changes stats: +2 Dex
Changes damage: +5% acid / +20% fire
Talent granted: +1 Command Staff
Spellpower: +23
Spell crit. chance: +4%

   Dropped by Ivibrewyn the thief
 In off hand
 On fingers
b) Vargh Redemption
   [Unique]
Type: jewelry / ring ; tier 2

When wielded/worn:
Changes stats: +6 Con / +4 Wil
Changes resistances: +10% nature / +25% cold
Maximum mana: +20.00
Maximum stamina: +20.00
Maximum psi: +20.00
Maximum air capacity: +50.00
It can be used to summon a tidal wave, costing 60 power out of 60/60.
c) psionicist's copper ring of tenacity
   Type: jewelry / ring ; tier 1

When wielded/worn:
Changes stats: +3 Wil
Mental save: +6
Disarm immunity: +20%
Pinning immunity: +21%
Knockback immunity: +20%
Maximum life: +20.00

 Around neck
d) Healonslaught the gold amulet
   Type: jewelry / amulet ; tier 3

When wielded/worn:
Changes stats: +5 Cun
Changes resistances: +12% nature

   Dropped by Glyrewyn the rogue
 Light source
e) survivor's brass lantern of health
   Type: lite / lite ; tier 1

When wielded/worn:
Physical save: +6
Maximum life: +43.00
Light radius: +2
Healing mod.: +12%

   Dropped by thief
 Main armor
f) troll-hide cured leather armour of alacrity (2 def, 4 armour)
   Type: armor / light ; tier 2

When wielded/worn:
Armour: +4
Defense: +2
Fatigue: +7%
Life regen: +4.50
Combat speed: +15%
Casting speed: +15%
Mental speed: +15%
Healing mod.: +12%

   Dropped by Ethan the thalore
 Cloak
g) resilient linen cloak of Iron Throne (1 def, 0 armour)
   Type: armor / cloak ; tier 1

When wielded/worn:
Defense: +1
Changes stats: +1 Str / +1 Con
Maximum life: +30.00

 On head
h) Steel Helm of Garkul (0 def, 6 armour)
   [Unique]
Type: armor / head ; tier 2

It is part of a set of items.
When wielded/worn:
Armour: +6
Fatigue: +8%
Changes stats: +5 Str / +4 Wil / +5 Con
Changes damage: +10% physical
Talent mastery: +0.20 Technique / Thuggery
Physical save: +12
Spell save: +12
Mental save: +12

   Dropped by Minotaur of the Labyrinth
 Around waist
i) Girdle of the Calm Waters
   [Unique]
Type: armor / belt ; tier 1

When wielded/worn:
Changes stats: +3 Wil
Changes resistances: +20% blight / +20% cold / +20% nature
Healing mod.: +30%

   Dropped by Norgos, the Frozen
 On hands
j) sand iron gauntlets of dexterity (+2) (0 def, 7 armour)
   Type: armor / hands ; tier 1

When wielded/worn:
Accuracy: +12
Armour: +7
Damage (Melee): 6 physical
Changes stats: +2 Dex
Changes damage: +3% physical

   Dropped by cave troll
 On feet
k) Nightwind (0 def, 4 armour)
   Type: armor / feet ; tier 3

When wielded/worn:
Armour: +4
Fatigue: +3%
Effects on melee hit:
* Slows global speed by 15%
Changes resistances: +9% darkness / +3% fire
Changes resistances penetration: +5% darkness
Stamina each turn: +0.50
Maximum stamina: +19.00

   Dropped by Layarilaith the cutpurse
 Tool
l) Velevea the ash wand of firewall [power 157]  (9 cooldown)
   [Unique]
Type: charm / wand ; tier 2

When wielded/worn:
Changes stats: +1 Str / +1 Wil / +5 Cun
Maximum wards: +2 lightning / +2 temporal / +2 blight / +2 fire / +2 cold
Talents granted: +1 Ward +2 Volcano
It can be used to creates a wall of flames lasting for 4 turns (dam 157 overall), placing all other charms into a 9 cooldown.
   Dropped by Niaaba the dolleg
 Quiver

  [Player Achievements]

'Hell has no fury like a demon scorned!' was achieved for Escaped the Searing Halls. At 2014-10-27 14:48:06
'Home sweet home' was achieved for Dispatched the Weirdling Beast and took possession of Yiilkgur, the Sher'Tul Fortress for your own usage. At 2014-10-27 17:18:54
'Level 10' was achieved for Got a character to level 10. At 2014-10-27 15:26:14
'Rescuer of the lost' was achieved for Rescued the merchant from the assassin lord. At 2014-10-27 17:32:45
'The Arena' was achieved for Unlocked Arena mode. At 2014-10-27 15:23:10
'The secret city' was achieved for Discovered the truth about mages. At 2014-10-27 16:37:54

  [Character Inventory][snop]

  [Last Messages]

Incinerating Blows hits Skeleton warrior for 19 fire damage.
Skeleton warrior hits Doomdoomdoom for 14 physical, 1 fire (15 total damage).
Doomdoomdoom hits Skeleton warrior for 17 physical, 5 physical, 8 blight, 9 fire (39 total damage).
Doomdoomdoom's weapon surges with fire!
Doomdoomdoom performs a melee critical strike against Degenerated skeleton warrior!
Degenerated skeleton warrior slows down.
Doomdoomdoom's is no longer blazing.
Degenerated skeleton warrior is disabled.
Degenerated skeleton warrior begins to fear you.
Degenerated skeleton warrior is on fire!
Incinerating Blows hits Degenerated skeleton warrior for 13 fire damage.
Doomdoomdoom hits Skeleton warrior for 33 fire damage.
Doomdoomdoom hits Degenerated skeleton warrior for 25 physical, 5 physical, 33 fire (63 total damage).
Doomdoomdoom killed Skeleton warrior!
Degenerated skeleton warrior is not stunned anymore.
Burning from Doomdoomdoom hits Degenerated skeleton warrior for 2 fire damage.
Doomdoomdoom hits Degenerated skeleton warrior for 7 blight, 9 fire (16 total damage).
Degenerated skeleton warrior hits Doomdoomdoom for 23 physical, 4 lightning (27 total damage).

Doomdoomdoom's weapon surges with fire!
Doomdoomdoom hits Degenerated skeleton warrior for 17 physical damage.
Doomdoomdoom killed Degenerated skeleton warrior!

You pickup 0.50 gold pieces.
Doomdoomdoom is not stunned anymore.

Resting starts...
Talent Command Staff is ready to use.
Talent Dig is ready to use.
Talent Volcano is ready to use.
Doomdoomdoom's is no longer blazing.
Talent Voracious Blade is ready to use.
Rested for 6 turns (stop reason: all resources and life at maximum).

Doomdoomdoom picks up (r.): stealthy pair of hardened leather boots (0 def, 3 armour).
Ran for 2 turns (stop reason: hostile spotted to the east (ghoul)).

Saving done.
Saving done.
Saving game...

Only thing I'm really regretting so far is those points in eternal suffering. Unfortunately, it just kinda' drains vim way too fast to be terrible useful as an always-on thing. And I'm kinda' too lazy to toggle it when it might be useful. I'm seriously digging the incinerating blows + inferno nexus combo, though. The latter is currently jacking up burn damage by a full 75 points/turn for me, heh.

Not really intending to play doombringer past the point of unlocking demonologist, though, whenever that comes around. Not even sure if I'll last till then before succumbing to the temptation of just manually unlocking it, heh.

[rumpel]

If you consider getting the new DLC, check your profile ("Balance") first... especially if you donated in the past and/or bought it on steam and linked your accounts, because you might be able to get the DLC for free if you have enough coins.

[guessingo]

There are very few details about the dlc. How big is it?