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« Reply #16020 on: April 19, 2019, 04:45:57 pm »

I'm basically presupposing that my computer is full of legal spyware I installed myself. I only use the Epic web interface (just collect their free games at the moment), so it's pretty harmless in comparison. I use Google and got social media and all of that as well. There is not much of a choice, unless I am to penalize myself out of the principle of privacy. I don't think sporadic individual boycotts will solve the core problem. The problem is that good new liberating technology is bundled with a lot of ballast crap as a byproduct of how the economy inevitably works. So, I think the only solution is on a non-local systemic level, as soon as the only other economic system is in place. ;)

Epic is a bit off topic, but on a related note there, I would like to know if Windows 10 is spyware and if MS still uninstalls programs they don't want you to have?



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« Reply #16021 on: April 19, 2019, 04:57:47 pm »

Basically their whole selling point so far has been "We're currently throwing lots of money at bribes!"

That and "Valve's become evil because they're too big and have no competition!  Somebody's got to threaten their monopoly to keep them in line!"... which most arguments based on this have seemed to me to be pretty baselessly alarmist. 

Valve deserves some criticisms, but has overall done a pretty good job.  Aside from some international legal cases that are eyebrow-raising, they haven't yet begun acting like a bloated corporate evil, imo. 

Steam's run into some issues as a platform, mainly to do with content control, but it's because those problems are genuinely difficult.  Everyone acts like they're not trying, yet they've iterated through multiple approaches over the last several years, and every single one has resulted in angry mobs.  When I ask those mobs what they think the solution should be, the response is generally "I don't know but they have so much money they should be able to figure it out."

Every other platform so far has been complete shit and I avoid them as much as possible.  Epic's doesn't look to be breaking that trend.

The console wars are a good comparison.  Every large company in the industry just wants control over their users that they can use to reduce the size of the industry and their competition.  Valve were the first to put themselves in a position where they could have done this on PC, and the way I see it, they've never done that.  If they were, at bare minimum you'd think they would disallow DRM-free games from being sold on Steam or games that require launching through a competitor's storefront.  Instead they gave us the indie boom.

Epic is a bit off topic, but on a related note there, I would like to know if Windows 10 is spyware and if MS still uninstalls programs they don't want you to have?

MS is definitely intrusive as fuck, and gets worse with every update.  But I've never had it uninstall software on me.  And I'm not exactly a conventional user.
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« Reply #16022 on: April 19, 2019, 05:46:20 pm »

I hate that every time people have actual criticisms about Epic BOTH sides devolve to arguing about the "chinese connection" and data gathering.  Every major modern company is selling, gathering and buying data.  There's no way they're not selling to governments or organizations working with governments.  The whole argument is just a distraction from actual, quantifiable bad business and anti-consumer actions.

And I hate it so much.  It's practically calculated as a distraction.  Stop talking about Epic gathering data as some huge thing. 

It is a big thing - not because other companies don't do data gathering, but that Epic was grabbing stuff off your computer that wasn't really related to it at all. I don't expect my finance software to start grabbing my browser history, or GIMP to start storing my email contacts somewhere. More than that, shady data grabbing should *always* be a big thing - just because it's become common doesn't mean it's a good or even acceptable thing.

Steam isn't amazing, but as SalmonGod says, they could have been truly Evil. They had a pretty much monopoly on digital distribution and could have clamped down hard - but they didn't. They worked alongside GoG and they didn't start doing anything shady. The worst was the paid mods store thing - and they backed off that when it became apparent that everyone hated it.

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« Reply #16023 on: April 19, 2019, 05:46:39 pm »

I hate that every time people have actual criticisms about Epic BOTH sides devolve to arguing about the "chinese connection" and data gathering.  Every major modern company is selling, gathering and buying data.  There's no way they're not selling to governments or organizations working with governments.  The whole argument is just a distraction from actual, quantifiable bad business and anti-consumer actions.

And I hate it so much.  It's practically calculated as a distraction.  Stop talking about Epic gathering data as some huge thing. 

Talk about their poor security that's cost people thousands.  Their poor customer support ability and practices that do nothing to help people with legitimate problems until it's long hit social media.  We shouldn't be hearing about these problems, they should be fixed before an outcry.
How about the fact they launched a store as competition but didn't do anything to meet basic online store features.  The feature sets that you can get in any number of templates that could provide a better customer experience.
Or how about trying to bring the console wars of the 90s-00s to the PC by throwing money at exclusives.  Thank god they aren't going ALL the way into buying studios, the history of which is rife with good developers going bad.

Those three things are why I will not be using the epic store.  Legit things that are there, can be seen and CAN be fixed.

Anybody data gathering is a problem. A huge problem. A huge problem that's anti-consumer and costs consumers much money. This includes Epic. But this isn't actual criticism? You got yourself tied in a knot here.
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« Reply #16024 on: April 19, 2019, 06:31:06 pm »

Anybody data gathering is a problem. A huge problem. A huge problem that's anti-consumer and costs consumers much money. This includes Epic. But this isn't actual criticism? You got yourself tied in a knot here.
It is a criticism.  The problem is that among the many more tangible problems people have with the epic launcher and the epic store it becomes the only one people talk about.  It get's hand waved away by BOTH sides in their arguments.  It starts as part of the discussion, becomes the focus of the discussion and then the end of that same discussion.  It's become a poison to actual debate on the subject of epic.
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« Reply #16025 on: April 19, 2019, 07:28:28 pm »

I just think I should say this again - I'm sorry for the racist statement. It wasn't warranted or even helpful at all, and I should have known that before I posted it.
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« Reply #16026 on: April 19, 2019, 11:56:52 pm »

Doing exclusives (and keeping on doing it with no sign of stopping) makes it a 'get this or don't get the game' situation, which then leads you to have to consent to their shady data collection if you want to play whatever game it is. That's not good, and combining that with a terrible, barely functional platform and it just annoys the hell out of me.

You're talking about Microsoft, right?    ;D
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« Reply #16027 on: April 21, 2019, 04:33:54 pm »

Speaking of RTS, Perimeter is also on sale, excellent execution of a unique idea that's rarely seen (tbh, now that I think about it, I don't recall another game that involves terrain manipulation as a core gameplay mechanic) and it's aged fairly well and still looks pretty good even if the resolution isn't widescreen compatible.
Okay so I own Perimeter, is there any chance you could help me with that game? I feel like I don't understand how to play it or something, the game feels... Weird. I don't know how to explain but it's like I'm not getting enough feedback for my actions. Is the game just slow and janky or am I not understanding how it's played?

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« Reply #16028 on: April 22, 2019, 08:00:02 am »

A bit of both probably. What exactly is giving you trouble? A lot of stuff that's useful to know is in the manual actually and you got that if you have the game on GoG.
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« Reply #16029 on: April 23, 2019, 11:00:14 am »

Gog is having another sale. Mildly interested in Darkest Dungeons.

Good price (just under $9) for West of Loathing, if you want an rpg with lots of puns and stupid jokes.
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« Reply #16030 on: April 23, 2019, 11:33:42 am »

Gog is having another sale. [. . .]

Good price (just under $9) for West of Loathing, if you want an rpg with lots of puns and stupid jokes.

Hesitant recommend depending on your gaming preferences. I don't often say "go watch Markiplier" but he was basically made for this game.
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« Reply #16031 on: April 23, 2019, 11:33:01 pm »

Gog is having another sale.
Link since one wasn't provided: GOG Indie Weekly Sale

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« Reply #16032 on: April 25, 2019, 12:53:32 pm »

If you're subscribed to Asmodee's newsletter, the survey today includes a free game.

Sent Thursday, Apr 25, "Do you have 5 minutes to spare? We need to talků" as the subject. Game code to be sent May 3rd. Game selection includes, as I recall, Mysterium, Ticket to Ride, Abalone and a few others.
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« Reply #16033 on: April 25, 2019, 01:09:12 pm »

There's so much NSFW shit on IndieGala that going there while at work to snag this link would be a smidge risky in any other workplace but I thought some of you might be interested in their One Punch Bundle. Amongst other games, it includes One Finger Death Punch 2 (which I didn't even know existed) and ШП - ShP, one of the strangest things I've experienced.
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« Reply #16034 on: April 30, 2019, 03:02:07 am »

Steam has a Golden Week sale, meaning that Japanese titles have discounts on them. Nothing catches my eyes yet, but I've thought I should let you know.
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