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Author Topic: Polygamous Dwarves?  (Read 5931 times)

EmperorJon

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Re: Polygamous Dwarves?
« Reply #15 on: April 05, 2011, 11:08:39 am »

Not everyone plays with a version of DF with genitals. ¬¬
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Re: Polygamous Dwarves?
« Reply #16 on: April 05, 2011, 11:10:59 am »

You can't deny the strategic fun of kneeing someone in the groin, tho.  I mod it in even when I'm not playing with Genesis.
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Re: Polygamous Dwarves?
« Reply #17 on: April 05, 2011, 11:33:12 am »

The Giant Cave Spider bites Urist McUnarmored in the todger and the severed part sails off in an arc!

Urist McUnarmored has suffocated.

...there's a problem, too. Will the breastplates keep being unisex if you add certain assets?
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Re: Polygamous Dwarves?
« Reply #18 on: April 05, 2011, 12:07:37 pm »

Polygamy, as I understand it, simply refers to relationships composed of more than two people, regardless of gender.
And I would love some sex/gender ethics.

Yes, but polygamy can go either or both ways.

If one male can marry several females, it's fairly simple.

If one female can marry several males, it's a little difficult to determine who gets to be the (biological) father, but other than that, it's still fairly simple.

If females and males can both marry multiple times, it gets complicated. 

What if one man marries four women, each of which are married to three other men, each of which are married to three other women (or maybe a few of the same women married to the first guy), who are each married to three other men, and eventually, you wind up with the entire fortress married to everyone else in the fortress by three or four degrees of separation?
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Re: Polygamous Dwarves?
« Reply #19 on: April 05, 2011, 01:01:19 pm »

Good god, imagine the tantrum spirals.
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Re: Polygamous Dwarves?
« Reply #20 on: April 05, 2011, 01:07:35 pm »

...there's a problem, too. Will the breastplates keep being unisex if you add certain assets?
Breastplates with breast bumps are a terrible idea, as the cleavage slope would deflect blows right into the sternum.
Breastplates closely fitted enough that the presence of breasts is a problem are also a terrible idea, as plate sized for Urist McToothpick wouldn't be so good for Urist DukeNukem.
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Re: Polygamous Dwarves?
« Reply #21 on: April 05, 2011, 01:41:10 pm »

If you look at breastplates, they tend to look sort of like the bows of ships - the center has a pointy part thrust outward, while the rest slopes backward from that point.  This is so that attacks to the front are forced to be glanced aside, dissipating much of their force.  This creates plenty of extra "chest room" for the wearer.

Also, keep in mind that most women are not as well-endowed as fantasy novel covers would have you believe.  Women typically can fit into shirts made for men.
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Re: Polygamous Dwarves?
« Reply #22 on: April 05, 2011, 01:56:51 pm »

Also, keep in mind that most women are not as well-endowed as fantasy novel covers would have you believe.  Women typically can fit into shirts made for men.

Next thing you're going to tell me is that not all lesbian couples are as hot and attractive as television has lead me to believe?
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Re: Polygamous Dwarves?
« Reply #23 on: April 05, 2011, 02:30:52 pm »

Next thing you're going to tell me is that not all lesbian couples are as hot and attractive as television has lead me to believe?

*says nothing... just looks at devek with a straight face*
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Re: Polygamous Dwarves?
« Reply #24 on: April 06, 2011, 04:40:13 pm »

What if one man marries four women, each of which are married to three other men, each of which are married to three other women (or maybe a few of the same women married to the first guy), who are each married to three other men, and eventually, you wind up with the entire fortress married to everyone else in the fortress by three or four degrees of separation?
Am I the only person who read that and thought "fucking awesome!"?
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Re: Polygamous Dwarves?
« Reply #25 on: April 06, 2011, 04:45:37 pm »

Dwarves probably wouldn't be polygamous.  Elves, on the other hand... I can picture them...

Well let's not discuss what I see in my minds eye.  But Elves way moreso than short drunk people... reminds me too much of Math Club parties if you know what I mean.
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Re: Polygamous Dwarves?
« Reply #26 on: April 06, 2011, 05:01:13 pm »

What if one man marries four women, each of which are married to three other men, each of which are married to three other women (or maybe a few of the same women married to the first guy), who are each married to three other men, and eventually, you wind up with the entire fortress married to everyone else in the fortress by three or four degrees of separation?
Am I the only person who read that and thought "fucking awesome!"?

This can be simulated by adding "[PET]" and "[ADOPTS_OWNER]" to a civ race. (You also get popular Den Mothers who half the children adopt one or the other.) And of course marriages occur semi-normally as well. IF the relationship menu popped up I could relate the details.

But yes... it was awe inspiring. And if it were handled better (Friends try to not let friends use "[PET] [ADOPTS_OWNER]" on a civ race... they might suggest against undirected dust too... are they friends?) the relationship screen might look like you're in the Arena: "Husband 1, Husband 2, Wife 1, Wife 2, Wife 3, Child With Wife 3, Child with Wife 3, Child with Wife 2, Child Adopted with Husband 1 after Husband 1's Wife 4 was overcome by Groundhogs and slain" Getting carried away again... Oh Forgot! "Child out of Wedlock with Outpost Liason, Child out of Wedlock with Outpost Liason, Child out of Wedlock with Outpost Liason, Child out of Wedlock with Outpost Liason"

You'd need a tool (in/take data from) Legends mode to map the relationships...
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Re: Polygamous Dwarves?
« Reply #27 on: April 06, 2011, 06:14:33 pm »

This can be simulated by adding "[PET]" and "[ADOPTS_OWNER]" to a civ race. (You also get popular Den Mothers who half the children adopt one or the other.) And of course marriages occur semi-normally as well. IF the relationship menu popped up I could relate the details.

Please do go on.  Does the pet tag get in the way at all for work and such? And do the "pets" still function normally as part of a society, or do the kids just follow around their adoptee?

Because if this doesn't get in the way of anything, you could add [PET] to simulate the fact that some parents adopt instead of having kids (important in my personal df mod collection since I have modded in sterile women.  They are [FEMALE] but have [LITTERSIZE:0:0] so they can't bear children... doesn't mean they don't want them tho).

As long as you don't also add [COMMON_DOMESTIC], other civs won't take them up as pets... god forbid you add [MOUNT] (Goblin-riding Dwarves? INCONCIEVABLE!)
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Re: Polygamous Dwarves?
« Reply #28 on: April 06, 2011, 06:22:24 pm »

I'm wondering if this might be a way to get civilised and milkable creatures. Someone should try that. Not me, I dread to think what I'd do with that knowledge.
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Re: Polygamous Dwarves?
« Reply #29 on: April 06, 2011, 07:21:23 pm »

Doesn't Milkable Civ members just require the caste to be milked to not have [CAN_LEARN]?
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