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DizzyCrash

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Re: Did DF used to be more.. Chaotic?
« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2019, 05:39:44 pm »

Ah, no, that one was because alcohol was a tad bit too effective. And then stress was made a bit stronger, but now everyone's a total neurotic.

Well.. Honestly, now that iv played a game where veryone gets along i can verify that its boring, Neurotic is always better.

Though i probably wont pick the game up again untl the friendship bug is fixed cause i sort of really want to see my dwarves develope bonds and companions and friends. Apparently it wil be fixed with the vllains update so thats good.
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Re: Did DF used to be more.. Chaotic?
« Reply #16 on: March 18, 2019, 05:40:56 pm »

All my dwarves have been talking
They tend to talk too much.
Like durring siege instead of getting equipement, or fighting the goblins killing their wife.
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Re: Did DF used to be more.. Chaotic?
« Reply #17 on: March 18, 2019, 05:42:49 pm »

Obvious question, but you're playing 44.12, right?
Try 44.10 when the new stress features first hit. It was even more out of control then.
What was out of control? Dwarves not talking to eachother?
Fights, arguments, people bashing each other over the head. Isn't that what your thread is about? People not talking to each other is increasing stress, not decreasing it.

The post is about how the last time i played DF ayear ago there was NO chaos and i missed it... There was never any arrests, fights, brawls, murders, nothing interesting ever happened, it was just everyone ignoring eachother and never talking or interactng in any meaningful ways. they barely recognized that the other dwarves existed.
My sheriff had nothing to do what so ever as nobody did anythiing wrong.
And what version was that?

You're having a completely different experience from everyone in that 30 page stress thread. Right now in my game a stressed 3 year old (Rain! Oh the misery)  is feeling triumph over starting a fistfight having already toppled my cage traps and traumatised the war dogs. I'm about to banish her family.

If the last time you played was several versions ago, then, yes, that was fixed. Try the latest version.

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-- Friendship and stress will likely be addressed during the Villains release bug fixing phase. Not the initial release (fotf sometime ago).
« Last Edit: March 18, 2019, 05:44:52 pm by Shonai_Dweller »
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Re: Did DF used to be more.. Chaotic?
« Reply #18 on: March 18, 2019, 06:55:24 pm »

Last time i playeed? June of 2018... So about a year ago? almost?

so your sayng thaat now your dwarves have friennds beyond just the initial 7 friends you embark with?
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Re: Did DF used to be more.. Chaotic?
« Reply #19 on: March 18, 2019, 07:02:17 pm »

Yeah, I have had a few dwarves making some friends. So far it seems they usually just talk and discuss things in the tavern or library. I've also had a few enemies which will just randomly start beating each other up, even straight up killing each other.
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Re: Did DF used to be more.. Chaotic?
« Reply #20 on: March 18, 2019, 10:04:43 pm »

Last time i playeed? June of 2018... So about a year ago? almost?

so your sayng thaat now your dwarves have friennds beyond just the initial 7 friends you embark with?
No, friends are currently not working properly (you can force people to make friends by locking them up together, but dwarves who pine for friendship refuse to go out and do anything about it proactively right now).

Stress is working though (too well). Regardless of whether your dwarves are talking to each other or not, in the latest version  (July, so that's possibly not what you were playing) will get stressed and kill each other. Luckily you can exile them now.

Friendship is being fixed as part of the overall toning down of stress come Villains (and it's subsequent bug fix patches).
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Re: Did DF used to be more.. Chaotic?
« Reply #21 on: March 19, 2019, 02:55:12 am »

(in regard to thread title)

I would say that YES, DF used to be much more chaotic, what with dwarves flying off the rails in tantrum spirals and loyalty cascades at the drop of a hat, killer carp, et al.  .40d was killer. 
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Re: Did DF used to be more.. Chaotic?
« Reply #22 on: March 19, 2019, 06:21:43 am »

I still enjoy reading the story of boatmurdered, after those years. :P
Chaotic=FUN?
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Re: Did DF used to be more.. Chaotic?
« Reply #23 on: March 19, 2019, 06:23:56 pm »

I remember DF as a chaotic experience. Dwarves killing themselves, beating eachother, bashing in heads with pick axes out of anger.
But last time i played... They never did anything really, no crimes, no mischief, no chaos. There was the usual fun stuff of invasions and death and all that but I felt like the dwarves themselves were just being very well behaved... My shariff didnt have much to do, no murdrers, vandals, thieves...

I wonder if theres something I can do to change that. Something i can adjust. Tweak a setting of somesort. Or if its all in my head and the dwarves are as manic as always.

There were one or two updates regarding dwarven psychology. In the old days, you could get a huge tantrum spiral and in general, to control it you had to have a lot of platinum statues and tables and thrones. It also made for great stories. Most of my activity with dwarf fortress was on DF2010 and to a lesser extent DF2012, and this is what happened. Back in the 23a and 40d days, it was apparently even worse because there was a broken economy that guaranteed someone would be upset for reasons that without it, would have been entirely avoidable.

I believe psychology came in two stages. The first stage, which brought in "dream of ...", effectively wiped out the issues of tantrum spirals and it became a huge task to even get riots for your dwarves. This came in the early days of DF2014, or versions of 0.40 and beyond. The second stage, a bit more recent, well, brought in memories.

This brought back tantrum spirals, but more importantly dwarves would occasionally dwell on bad thoughts. Some of these a short term memories but they can become long term memories, and there's like seven or eight long term memories a dwarf can have. This means if your dwarf grows up in or spends time in a shithole fortress, their bad memories will occasionally come back unless overwritten. For starting fortresses, some people have issues even with dwarves not having mugs or rooms in the first days of a fort's existence.

It's a different kind of crazy, but still crazy.

And you can have a lot of fun with it.
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