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Kaos

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!!SCIENCE!! Large Pots
« on: May 06, 2011, 08:31:14 am »

Through my observations I have come to a theory of how to fill those bloody Large Pots:

Large Pots being filled/used seem to be affected by the max barrels setting...


Large Pot Capacity = 60.000 (liquid) 6.000 (solid)
Barrel Capacity = 100 (liquid) 10 (solid)

So if you have a 18 tiles prepared meal stockpile with max barrels 18, that would be 1.800 capacity, if you have a Pot there it will get filled 1.800/6.000 assuming you have no other barrels in there, so a 60 tiles stockpile at max barrels 60 with only one large pot in it will be able to fill that large pot up to capacity??

This requires some !!SCIENCE!!, this is based on my observation that my 18 tiles prepared food stockpile with max barrels: 6, a partially filled Pot a few barrels and lots meals lying around, when I raised the max barrels to 12, dwarves started to place the meals inside the Pot... my observations might be a little off though so don't take the numbers as exacts, more like approximates..
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greycat

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Re: !!SCIENCE!! Large Pots
« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2011, 11:10:36 am »

You've confused me.  Are large pots different from pots?

In 0.31.25, I've got a mixture of wooden barrels, metal barrels, and rock pots (and even one pot made of green glass), all used for food storage (prepared meals).  I did not touch any of the settings on the stockpile apart from disallowing all items except prepared meals.  I observe rock pots that contain anywhere up to 10 units of prepared meals, but never more than 10.

As far as booze goes, I see pots that contain up to 25 units of booze, which is also the most I see in any of my barrels.  It's 5 units per plant in the stack, and I'm never seeing plant stacks larger than 5.  (I don't use fertilizer... that would be something worth testing, I suppose.)
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Saiko Kila

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Re: !!SCIENCE!! Large Pots
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2011, 12:51:25 pm »

I'm also confused. Only things of which I can put into pots more than usual are eggs.  My "blue peahen egg pot" contains all my eggs, currently over 500. They are in stacks (duck egg [11], goose egg [8] etc.) but there are 63 stacks of them as for now. Other things work as usual. Meat pots contain up to 10 meaty parts, plant pots contain up to 10 weeds, mill pots contain up to 10 bags filled with some powder, alcohol pots contain up to 25 liquid toxins and so on. Dwarves are intelligent ;) enough not to try to put stacks of prepared food bigger than 10 into pots.
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Kaos

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Re: !!SCIENCE!! Large Pots
« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2011, 03:59:30 pm »

1) Large Pot = Pot, for some reason in the craftdwarf's is called "large pot" and the kiln calls it "pot", in the end both produce "large pots"


2) Plant stacks supposedly can go until 11 if I recall correctly, nevertheless a Barrel and a Pot are basically the same with the exception on the capacity they can store


3) Containers have a capacity value, that value translates into liquid capacity and solid capacity is 1/10th of that, in the case of barrels is 100 Liquid and 10 Solid, that's why you can store up to 10 prepared meals/plants/etc... and up to 100 liquid, with booze is hard to tell because no stack would be so big to produce 100 units of booze, but Milk is emptied from the buckets to the barrel up to it's capacity, so in theory you can have a barrel with 100 individual stacks of milk (from the same animal species)


4) Pots have a capacity of 60.000 in the raws, that means 60.000L and 6.000S items, the trick is convincing your dwarves to store more than 100L and 10S in the pots....


5) some people report that the pots aren't even used, some report that they are used with the same capacity as barrels, and some report them being used to stored huge amounts, I have a pot with 500+ prepared meals....


6) How to do it?:
* Pots seem to have lower priority than barrels, once you don't have available barrels (either by use, forbidding, locking doors, etc) dwarves start using pots.
* Alternatively you can dump a pot in the stockpile by setting an overlapping garbage zone...
* The stockpile max barrels setting seem to control not only how many barrels can be used but how many capacity units can be stored inside the containers in the stockpile, for every barrel you add 100 units...
* I theorize that if you have a 60 tiles stockpile, with one large pot, with max barrels set to 60, and you manage to avoid any other container to get to the stockpile (or forbid the ones that get there) you could get a pot able to store 6.000 solid items or 60.000 liquid items (probably only possible with milk).
* For example if you have a meals stockpile with one pot and 2 max barrels that pot will be able to store up to 200 meals (as long as you keep out or forbid the second barrel/pot) if you rise the max barrels to 6 you can store 600 and so on...
* Every Barrel/Pot added to the stockpile claims 100 capacity units that can't be used by other containers, the trick is to set up the max barrels to he desired capacity and keep out other containers to claim that capacity so it's used by the large pot....

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Kaos

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Re: !!SCIENCE!! Large Pots
« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2011, 11:15:00 am »

for some reason after filling the first pot up to 500 or so units I can't seem to do it anymore... I've dumped the 500+ pot and restarted the experiment to no avail... I get them to haul the pots when they run out of usable barrels, but they are filling the pots up to 10 now...


I'm trying dumping the 500+ units of meals and start over in a more controlled setting to see what happens....


maybe it takes into account the stored units in all the containers, even the ones that are dumped/forbidden or outside a food stockpile???

Has anyone tryed to repeat this? or any research on their own 10+ pots???
« Last Edit: May 13, 2011, 11:17:06 am by Kaos »
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Re: !!SCIENCE!! Large Pots
« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2011, 12:44:43 pm »

* Every Barrel/Pot added to the stockpile claims 100 capacity units that can't be used by other containers, the trick is to set up the max barrels to he desired capacity and keep out other containers to claim that capacity so it's used by the large pot....
Suggested stockpile layout for testing:

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Designate a 11x1 stockpile with a door that can be locked to block access to 9 out of 10 actual stockpile squares. Lock the door. The stockpile will allow up to 10 barrels in it's settings, but dwarves will only be able to access the single tile outside the door.
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