Topic: Logic designing request (advanced) (Read 2929 times)

Root Infinity · « **on:** June 08, 2011, 05:11:15 pm »

Can anyone help me build a fast incrementer/decrementer? I don't care what logic type as long as it's fast and scalable.

Cespinarve · « **Reply #1 on:** June 09, 2011, 01:06:02 am »

Quote from: Root Infinity on June 08, 2011, 05:11:15 pm

Can anyone help me build a fast incrementer/decrementer? I don't care what logic type as long as it's fast and scalable.

Open any text program. Press a number key multiple times. Then hold or rapidly press the delete/backspace key. Switch between the two actions until the desired amount of accretion is reached.

candylord · « **Reply #2 on:** June 09, 2011, 04:51:20 am »

icwutudidthar

and generally, without more information, we can't help you out

Cespinarve · « **Reply #3 on:** June 09, 2011, 11:46:19 am »

To be honest, I dn't even know what he's talking about. But it sounded like a simple enough question to answer.

nanomage · « **Reply #4 on:** June 09, 2011, 11:52:42 am »

he wants a device which, once started, sends a progression to the output, like 1, then 2, then 3 and further indefinitely and the faster the better. by scalability i guess he means the ease of expanding the device so that it can have a greater maximum number.
i think it's something like this

Guedez · « **Reply #5 on:** June 09, 2011, 12:22:15 pm »

unless redstone circuits get implemented... i guess you can't do this in dwarf fortress..

Darkmere · « **Reply #6 on:** June 09, 2011, 01:21:57 pm »

Yeah, I can't answer your question directly, but have you looked at the dwarven calculator or mechanical logic entries on the wiki? If you want fast, fluid logic isn't going to be that much help, but since it's the hybrid component in mechanical logic you're going to have problems if you need anything less than the 100-step delay for pressure plate toggles.

Root Infinity · « **Reply #7 on:** June 09, 2011, 03:48:33 pm »

Quote from: Darkmere on June 09, 2011, 01:21:57 pm

Yeah, I can't answer your question directly, but have you looked at the dwarven calculator or mechanical logic entries on the wiki? If you want fast, fluid logic isn't going to be that much help, but since it's the hybrid component in mechanical logic you're going to have problems if you need anything less than the 100-step delay for pressure plate toggles.

I've figured out how to do it - design from here, with some modifications to optimize it for DF's quirks. Should I post it here when I'm done? Or is it too special-purpose for here?

And by the way may end up making it using fluid logic unless I can find a better flip-flop. Fluid logic is only slow if you chain it together - if you directly connect the gates it can be just as fast in many cases as PTML.

Darkmere · « **Reply #8 on:** June 09, 2011, 08:57:32 pm »

It's your thread, of course, but yeah I'd be interested in seeing what you come up with.

Root Infinity · « **Reply #9 on:** June 10, 2011, 04:19:10 pm »

The flip-flop design so far:

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Darkmere · « **Reply #10 on:** June 10, 2011, 05:50:10 pm »

Ah, the final design belongs on the PTML wiki page, take credit where it's due.

Root Infinity · « **Reply #11 on:** June 10, 2011, 09:17:06 pm »

Now I just need to implement this. I can split out the and gates though - that will be the easy part. I'll put an or gate between up and down for the clock, which should work. More planning required!

Root Infinity · « **Reply #12 on:** June 10, 2011, 09:43:24 pm »

And here is the "final" version of a T flip flop:
(Note that q should be Q with a bar over the top, but I don't know how to do that...)
Truth Table:

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C T | Q q
----+----
0 0 | Q q
0 1 | Q q
1 0 | Q q
1 1 | q Q

Main Design:

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PC
Tq* <- to power sensor for Q
  q
PTC
  Q
TQ* <- to power sensor for q
PC

P = power in
T = toggle control
C = clock
Q = connected to Q output
q = connected to q output
* = gear assembly

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* = normal gear
+ = pre-toggled gear

**
*** <- to power sensor for Q
  +
*++
  +
*** <- to power sensor for q
**

And power sensor design (shamelessly ripped from the wiki)

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#%>^#     
~~~~#      Power sensor side view

~~Oops - this doesn't work, but I know why. I'll fix it in a bit.~~
~~Fix'd~~
Or not - this design won't work, period. See later post for one that should work.

Darkmere · « **Reply #13 on:** June 10, 2011, 09:48:32 pm »

Once you get all this hashed out and in-game, your legendary fortresssmith title is assured if you can build it into a working clock that automates traders and siege defenses.

Just sayin'.

Arkenstone · « **Reply #14 on:** June 11, 2011, 12:54:49 am »

You've got a nice idea, but if I were you I'd try to think more in terms of the medium you're using to build with. For instance, try having a single "unit" (really 7) of water be moved around in a line of pressure plates, one way or the other depending on which pump etc. is triggered. The result would be inefficient in terms of output compression, but you can probably work around that in other ways; it'll be a lot simpler from the number of pumps needed alone!

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