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[miauw62]

Something along the lines of "try to make the B12 space program real in KSP".
Which may or may not be impossible.

[LordSlowpoke]

Something along the lines of "try to make the B12 space program real in KSP".
Which may or may not be impossible.

everything is possible when you abuse MODS

[Aseaheru]

Try it without. Its more interesting.

[da_nang]

Try it without. Its more interesting.

Although I wouldn't mind Alarm Clock and Subassembly.

[PTTG??]

The best of the best.

[Aseaheru]

Try it without. Its more interesting.

Although I wouldn't mind Alarm Clock and Subassembly.

I havent tried those yet.

[BigFatStupidHead]

I wouldn't mind Alarm Clock and Subassembly.

I havent tried those yet.

They are both excellent.

In other modding news, Hooligan Labs is now making a submarine mod. Controllable submersibles may finally see the light of day!

[Aseaheru]

I wonder if they will eventually become official... You know, to explore the seas of other worlds.

[BigFatStupidHead]

It would sure be great. Exploring the depths of Laythe while panning a camera that works underwater...

[alway]

New article in Gamasutra about making the new props: http://www.gamasutra.com/blogs/ArtyomZuev/20130731/197365/Environment_art_and_modeling_in_Kerbal_Space_Program.php

[Leonon]

The new version of Mission Control nerfed jet engines hard by raising their price to about 34000. This has led me to make some new ultra-cheep designs.

I tried that one before any of the mods were updated to see if I could make a teeny tiny asparagus with the new engine. It turns out that there's some issues with those tanks' fuel flow that makes it so it doesn't work like a normal asparagus staging rocket. The fuel can flow from the center tanks outward and the engines that should run out of fuel first keep going.

That one is OK-ish but wastes a massive amount of dV due to atmospheric friction.

That's the one I currently use for most lifts. The booster gets the main engine up enough to be quite efficient. I'm still using the old engine for the satellite itself because while the new one is more efficient it's also much heavier.

EDIT: Those were taken in Mission Controller Extended 0.12. The current version is 0.16 and most of the costs have changed but the relative usefulness of the above designs doesn't seem to have changed.

[jocan2003]

With that mod wouldnt it e best to simply make a SSTO that can deploy small to medium payload? I mean the only thing you will really pay would be fuel no? since you bring back everything exept the fuel + payload.

[Sean Mirrsen]

Go stock. I find it's the best thing to really flex your creative muscles. If you want to make an "easy mode" SSTO, then remember - the effectiveness is proportional to the amount of lift, and the amount of air intakes. Make an aircraft that can fly on two or three turbojets, then give it enough rockets to produce at least as much thrust (more the merrier), give it enough wings/lifting surfaces to take off easily in those conditions, then cram as many intakes on it as you can. At least five or six per engine will do. Make sure it controls well and has RCS. Add an action group to toggle all of your jet engines and air intakes simultaneously. Add an action group to toggle your rockets as well. Your goal is to take off and reach as high an altitude and speed on turbojets as you can - you'll be flying pretty much level by the end of the ascent. Once you can't keep the jets running anymore (with that setup it'll be at around 30Km and some five times the speed of sound), fire rockets, cut jets, and pitch up (with RCS). Get out of the rest of the atmosphere as fast as possible, wait till your apoapsis is at 100km or thereabouts, cut rockets, coast until you're in space, and circularize.

That's if you want a spaceplane SSTO.

For a rocket SSTO you just need a gaggle of fuel tanks and aerospikes. Keep the acceleration around two G's during ascent, and just plain fly up into orbit.

And yes, you're not spending anything but fuel with an SSTO.

[10ebbor10]

Assuming you don't mess up, that is.

[Rose]

A note when using Mechjeb and SSTOs: Mechjeb assumes that all engines that are not on the current stage will be used, but on the current stage it only counts the ones that are enabled. So for proper mechjeb readouts, press space once on the runway to turn on all of your engines, then turn off all the ones you don't want. THEN turn on throttle. This will allow Mechjeb to correctly account for things.