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Kat

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Re: [43.05] Rhenaya's Drow, updated
« Reply #15 on: May 29, 2017, 03:15:40 pm »

I've also seen this happening, though I'm not using this particular drow mod.

I'm wondering if it has something to do with their ethics or values. As well as there not being many children, there's also not many marriages - as far as I can tell, the only married couples in my fortress are migrants who arrived married.  :-\

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Re: [43.05] Rhenaya's Drow, updated
« Reply #16 on: May 29, 2017, 05:06:46 pm »

This seems to be the major problem - Drow as a race in their typical characteristics wouldn't be survivable in the long run. Another factor could be their underground start in the caverns. Many towns have frequently been "visited" by forgotten beasts. At least that's what my legend viewer says. I guess it's a combination of both: Less children and many dangers to deal with (including themselves xD).

Edit: I bet it's the "detests romance" trait...
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Re: [43.05] Rhenaya's Drow, updated
« Reply #17 on: May 29, 2017, 11:30:53 pm »

Ptw

How is the work coming along... I'm interested in this since it was a part of MDF years ago.
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Re: [43.05] Rhenaya's Drow, updated
« Reply #18 on: November 04, 2017, 06:26:58 am »

Is this still being worked on? Tried using the mod, enjoyable when it works, but found that the Drow die out early on in worldgen every time. Is there a solution to this?
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Re: [43.05] Rhenaya's Drow, updated
« Reply #19 on: December 18, 2017, 11:24:18 am »

Playing again with my own modifications, and have noticed something using the latest dwarf therapist.

The Social-alt tab on dwarf therapist, shows something that might be important.

Now, as standard, the drow culture in Rhenaya's original entity files values Merriment at 30.

However, in the creature file, drow's cheer propensity is valued at 0/30/50, which tends to make serious drows.

This seems to be causing a personality conflict in the drows, which might be part of why they don't seem to survive worldgen often.

Maybe tweaking these values might help.

Also could try putting in a boost to romance in the creature personality file, see if that helps them get married more often.
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Re: [43.05] Rhenaya's Drow, updated
« Reply #20 on: December 21, 2017, 01:19:34 pm »

Hello there, I'm glad someone has decided to try and update Rhen's drows for the latest version of DF.
I was trying to update things myself at the weekend, using elements from the elf profile to fill in the blanks that were needed, and had some success, after reading some of your posts.
I couldn't get the drow outcasts entity to work though, it crashed for some reason, so I had to cut them from the modded raws that I am using, to regain familiarity with DF after not playing it for a couple years.
Something that I've noticed, but which I've read seems to be an issue with the latest version of DF in general, was that I can't butcher goblins, or other sapient creatures? That was a bit of a surprise - in previous versions of Rhen's drow mod, I had a tendency to build quite the goblin leather industry and goblin bone craft industry.
Still getting used to things, but will keep an eye on this, to see how it develops.


by the way, you haven't included your latest link to your work, this one: http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=12819
I think version 0.40 accidentally broke butchering intelligent creatures in fortress mode. Toady knows of the problem, but doesn't even know how he caused it and since it's not something you can do in vanilla he hasn't put much effort into figuring out how to fix it.

I know this mod is established to be used without the use of dfhack, but if anyone is interested I wrote a script to get around the butchering issue. Link in my sig

Thanks guys! I love seeing this mod come back!
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Re: [43.05] Rhenaya's Drow, updated
« Reply #21 on: February 11, 2018, 12:36:50 pm »

Ptw

How is the work coming along... I'm interested in this since it was a part of MDF years ago.

I went on a hiatus: DF is very immersive when I deal with it.
This begun as a "translation" of an old mod to the new versions, not a developing project. We will see if more things will come, if they don't don't get mad at me, but write them yourself, I will probably play them!!

Is this still being worked on? Tried using the mod, enjoyable when it works, but found that the Drow die out early on in worldgen every time. Is there a solution to this?

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Playing again with my own modifications, and have noticed something using the latest dwarf therapist.

The Social-alt tab on dwarf therapist, shows something that might be important.

Now, as standard, the drow culture in Rhenaya's original entity files values Merriment at 30.

However, in the creature file, drow's cheer propensity is valued at 0/30/50, which tends to make serious drows.

This seems to be causing a personality conflict in the drows, which might be part of why they don't seem to survive worldgen often.

Maybe tweaking these values might help.

Also could try putting in a boost to romance in the creature personality file, see if that helps them get married more often.


I like the way in which the forum found a problem and a possible solution too. Thank you Kat!
If I will be able to put a new version out, for 0.44, I will try to change something there - but I don't really know what I am doing, I'm a wannabe, a part time Dwarf Fortress player and less than that as a modder.

This also means also that if somebody else is going to push the work forward - both in a minimalist, "vanilla feel" way like I prefer, or in any direction they want - I will put a link to their threads on this one, to make it easier to find the versions we can, want and like to play.
Or go ahead an link it yourself here if you do have a file ready!


Cheers everybody.
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Re: [43.05] Rhenaya's Drow, updated
« Reply #22 on: February 13, 2018, 02:09:01 am »

Beta 0.4 is up!
You can find it here: http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13511

It is mostly just a translation, but I made some changes to the clothing - the drow should be more willing to dress and to produce clothes now - and to start address the small numbers the drow had after some years of worldgen, touching both the personality-values system as was suggested here and the settlement biomes pattern, which looked more relevant in my testing.
Let's see if this is an improvement.
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Re: [44.05] Rhenaya's Drow, updated
« Reply #23 on: February 21, 2018, 05:50:39 pm »

Started a new World and it seems to work so far :) Drow civs rise again. I still got only a few married couples though. But at least they seem to get children pretty quick.
On the other hand the trolls don't get offspring now (until yet that means - i am still only a couple of years around in that new fort)

But i have to report a mistake in the noble description: It says, that the house overseer would handle the diplomats, but these only meet and talk with my Priestess.
So either the description is wrong, or the game doesn't recognise the nobles correctly.

Awesome work so far :) I'm really glad to have this mod updated to the latest version! I am looking forward to some Drow-Raids on all those other slave races :p
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Re: [44.05] Rhenaya's Drow, updated
« Reply #24 on: March 03, 2018, 07:22:18 pm »

Beta 0.5, the "Less is more edition" is out.


I am starting taking more and more 'artistic' decisions about this, so it is less of a simple translation and more of an interpretation of Rhenaya's work.
I still include the files needed to have it 'pure', but that's not anymore the only criterion. The other direction is the inmediate compatibility with other mods. I don't want to add to the "arms race" of metals (and bones) "almost as good" or "slightly better than" steel.
In this version I still have the "filological" translation added as a standalone alternative: copy either one of my two folders in your Dwarf Fortress folder.

Changes for Med's Less is More:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Cheers!

PS: looking at the creature files, I started wondering if the Quaggoth being shearable was or wasn't aleftover from them having been created starting from the Troll from standard_creature file. They still had "T" as their identifying letter in last Rhenaya's version and it could have been an oversight. Do anyone have a recorded instance, in any lore-original material, of Quaggoths sheared for wool? Either in novels or game manuals. I don't.
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Re: [44.05] Rhenaya's Drow, updated
« Reply #25 on: March 07, 2018, 09:41:04 am »

Started a new World and it seems to work so far :) Drow civs rise again. I still got only a few married couples though. But at least they seem to get children pretty quick.
On the other hand the trolls don't get offspring now (until yet that means - i am still only a couple of years around in that new fort)

But i have to report a mistake in the noble description: It says, that the house overseer would handle the diplomats, but these only meet and talk with my Priestess.
So either the description is wrong, or the game doesn't recognise the nobles correctly.

Awesome work so far :) I'm really glad to have this mod updated to the latest version! I am looking forward to some Drow-Raids on all those other slave races :p

Thanks for the love and the feedback ManuG, I will try to give it a look.

On the raids, we all have a lot of expectations!

EDIT: ManuG: I took a look at it, the priestess is clearly indicated in the raw as the responsible to talk with diplomats, but the outpost leader was identifyed as the responsible in the first presentation of the first version of this mod.
I think it is Working As Designed and Working as Intended too.
In Rhenaya's intentions I mean: the files were evolutioning after the writing of the first post, and I didn't touch the positions barring adding the caste provision to the already present gender ones - Quaggoth females appeared in stranges places in my games, a no-no for a drow society.
Rhenaya used to add to that post, without modyfying old text, leaving even small keyboard mishaps in place.
There are other changes to the positions too, in respect to that descritpion - mostly cosmetic.
THis is still for most part Rhenaya's mod, and I don't want to change things when I'm not 200% sure of what I am doing. In this case, to change the thing she had to remove the [RESPONSIBILITY:RECEIVE_DIPLOMATS] tags from all of the layers of the expedition leader's successor - not something that happens by mistake.
To change "back" to match the description in that post you should open the entity_rhenaya_drow file (entity_rhenaya_drow_med5 in my last folder) in any basic text editor (not office word) and cut and past the line: [RESPONSIBILITY:RECEIVE_DIPLOMATS] getting it out of the Priestess space where it is and putting it in all of three other nobles: the Expedition Leader and its two successors, the Outpost Overseer and the House Overseer.
You could end the job doing the same with the two occupied site nobles too, the War Priest and the Forced Administrator.
The more I look at it, the more she did that on purpose, leaving that description obsolete but having a unique and flavory job organization between nobles.
I actually like this - and maybe I could provide a more recent description in the future for the first time player. But I am not likely to change it in the files to match that description.


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Re: [44.05] Rhenaya's Drow, updated
« Reply #26 on: March 07, 2018, 09:57:53 am »

0.6 is out!

You can get it here: http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13511

Silence for a year, then three versions in a month!

This time, focus on the Quaggoth: I revamped them, far from Rhenaya's version but nearer to the lore in my opinion.
Smaller, fiercer, faster and more aggressive. They learn less quickly than dwarves (and elves) but faster than troll now - I'm thinking on giving them normal learning speed in some areas (hunting, fighting) to push them even more in those roles but not for now.
But the important part of their change is that "smaller". They were really too big.

The other creatures got some love too, they are now more strictly drow-friends. It should be more difficult for other evil civs to encounter and domesticate. The spiders in particular, but all of the animals too. The Riding Lizard is not Common Domestic anymore.
On the general creature side, I messed with the costs.
The petvalues of the creature was vary low, allowing very rich embarks. There is now the need to balance needs and choose.
Quaggoth are almost additional citizens; the drowspider's analogue in vanilla would cost 1250 points at embark and it is smaller and with less to offer; the Rothe costs as a cow and offers more too; the Riding Lizards more than double in size the Cave Toads-Monitor Lizards kind of beasts and were valued less than a Large Rat - I'm not talking of the Giant ones.
Drow animals, as everything drow, are very good.
They should cost as such, forcing the player to chose with true drow cunning what they seek at embark.

I hope you enjoy this!
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