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Lord Shonus

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Re: The Generic Computer Advice Thread
« Reply #3705 on: August 10, 2018, 08:20:33 pm »

Windows 98 will run fine in PCem. The discussion was started by somebody who wants to run Survival Crisis Z, which appears to need more than the Pentium I processor that PCem tops out at (and needs a beefy computer to run anyway).
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Re: The Generic Computer Advice Thread
« Reply #3706 on: August 10, 2018, 11:34:45 pm »

Win2k has a pretty good VDM.  It just needs an addon package called VDMSound, and it can run just about anything you can throw at it that is a Dos game.

https://sourceforge.net/projects/vdmsound/

Does VESA, MSCDEX, DOS4GW protected memory, and all that fun stuff, right in the VDM.
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Re: The Generic Computer Advice Thread
« Reply #3707 on: August 10, 2018, 11:48:31 pm »

My laptop has been acting up too.

The CPU and/or GPU (they're close together and on a single heatpipe) are heating up something fierce whenever I try playing a game. One can't really hold the laptop on the lap any more, and it gets stuttery after a while. It used to run relatively demanding games without any issues. Now it gets super hot even with small, low-graphics titles and I'm getting worried about my sperm count.
The problem appeared gradually, over several months.

The fan works, the intakes and exhausts are unobstructed, and the heatpipe is attached. The copper of the pipe is blackened at the bottom, where it touches the plastic. The task manager doesn't seem to indicate any extreme resource usage.

Any ideas?

This sounds like copper 2 oxide.  It will impair thermal conduction if this is where the interface is to the CPU.

If that is the case, get some brasso copper polish.  Apply a small quantity to the corner of a paper towel, and clean the CPU and GPU contact surfaces, then rinse with clean water.  Apply fresh compound, and test function.
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Re: The Generic Computer Advice Thread
« Reply #3708 on: August 11, 2018, 09:45:34 am »

BTW I recommend 98lite as a tool to reduce the footprint and resources of 95 and 98 installs.
I'm, ah, not exactly too eager to purchase a $25.00 piece of software just because I want to play a game the developers released for free.

And why would a isometric game that was released for free in 2007 (and probably made a good deal earlier than that) require such a beefy pc? Software quirks or something?

Also, I have no idea how to use any kind of pc emulator, so advice on how and/or where to look would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: The Generic Computer Advice Thread
« Reply #3709 on: August 11, 2018, 10:57:55 am »

The game you're talking about probably requires at least a Pentium II, which PCem can't emulate. Even if it only requires a Pentium I, emulating that chip is very intensive. Thus, my preferred solution will probably not work for your use case.
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« Reply #3710 on: August 11, 2018, 09:07:24 pm »

All right, but any idea why a game like this would require a beefy computer?

I mean, games like Half-Life 2 and Running with Rifles (both 3D) run just fine on my laptop...
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Re: The Generic Computer Advice Thread
« Reply #3711 on: August 11, 2018, 10:29:58 pm »

I'm going to break this down very, very simply.


The game you want to run does not appear to require a beefy computer.

The game you want to run does appear to require Windows 9x.

One of the best ways to run Windows 9x for older games is PCem, which emulates period hardware.

PCem does not emulate more than a Pentium I processor.

Emulating a processor is very system intensive, and requires a processor many times as powerful as the one you are trying to emulate.

If the game you want to run requires more than a Pentium I processor, PCem can not help you.

If the game you want to run does not require more than a Pentium I processor, PCem can help, provided you have a PC powerful enough to emulate a Pentium I processor.

Your ability to run other software has no relation whatsoever to this.

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Re: The Generic Computer Advice Thread
« Reply #3712 on: August 11, 2018, 10:59:34 pm »

They can always try virtualbox instead.  Rather than full emulation, it does CPU virtualization.  It is also capable of emulating PCI cards for sound and network hardware, so it can emulate more period equipment.

It will just run faster, and will present a more modern CPU.

Worth a shot.

https://www.virtualbox.org/
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« Reply #3713 on: August 12, 2018, 02:12:34 am »

BTW I recommend 98lite as a tool to reduce the footprint and resources of 95 and 98 installs.
I'm, ah, not exactly too eager to purchase a $25.00 piece of software just because I want to play a game the developers released for free.

Go read the actual licensing agreement. You only need to pay the licensing fee if you're doing commercial-scale stuff with it:

https://www.litepc.com/prev_lic.html

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98lite Preview Edition is freely licensed for non-exclusive use by a single individual for personal use only. You require an ENTERPRISE license if you want to use 98lite in a multi-user setting, or want to install 98lite on your clients computers.

3. DISTRIBUTION
You may distribute the 98lite Preview Edition software without permission only so long as:

    the original distribution archive remains intact, with no files having been altered, added, or removed.
    all costs for distribution are paid by you, the distributor, and 98lite is delivered to the end user, or any intermediate receiver, FREE OF CHARGE.

There's nothing to stop you using it for free or giving copies to friends, you just can't commercialize it.
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Re: The Generic Computer Advice Thread
« Reply #3714 on: August 12, 2018, 11:43:29 am »

I'm going to break this down very, very simply.
(snip)

Ah, I see. That helps clear things up a lot.
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Re: The Generic Computer Advice Thread
« Reply #3715 on: August 31, 2018, 07:01:05 pm »

I'm on my Windows 10 PC, I have two pairs of headphones and I want to get both pairs to output my desktop audio without needing to buy a splitter.

I have a front panel headphone jack and of course I have the sound card in the back with speaker, stereo mix, and headphone jacks. I tried various things with my 2nd pair of headphones in either the speaker and or heaphones jacks in the back. I tried using the Realtek HD Audio Manager since there's a toggle you'd think would solve this called "make front and rear output devices play two different audio streams simultaneously" but that didn't do anything. I'm really baffled that this is so hard to figure out, any advice?
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« Reply #3716 on: September 20, 2018, 02:31:04 pm »

Yo peeps, how can I find out if me USB sticks are 2.0 or 3.0?

Confusing context: I've recently bought a Gigabyte Brix mini-PC, with a separate Win installer supplied on a USB drive. Now, the stick has a blue inserty bit, which is what makes me think it's USB 3.0 (and also because it's 2018, so why would they supply anything else?). At the same time, the Brix documentation says the MOBO it's not backwards compatible with 2.0 because reasons.

Seems alright, right? I have a 3.0 stick, and the system reads only 3.0s.
But the Win10 stick fails to boot (everything slows down to a standstill, with 10+ seconds to respond to any key pressed, as soon as I plug it in). On the other hand, I found an older 8GB stick with no blue bits (hence I'm thinking it's 2.0?), that booted perfectly once I burned a Win10 image on it.

So, it's like the documentation says one thing, but the reality appears to be the opposite (i.e. 2.0 ok, 3.0 bad, instead of the other way around).

Any way I can check the sticks' version without too much trouble? I can't make heads nor tails out of it and it bothers me bigly.
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Re: The Generic Computer Advice Thread
« Reply #3717 on: September 20, 2018, 02:40:18 pm »

It should be USB3 with a blue plastic bit inside it...  Do you have the USB3 drivers installed?

As for booting...  It could be that your Mobo does not support EHCI mode USB in the BIOS?  (EG, the bios does not have handlers for USB3 mode, but does for OHCI, or USB2 mode)...

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« Reply #3718 on: September 20, 2018, 02:51:18 pm »

To restate the issue: The documentation supplied with the Brix says it's only good with 3.0s and not with 2.0s (lack of backwards compatibility due to some Intel-related proprietary reasons. But, in practice, 3.0 doesn't seem to work. 2.0 works.

Then again, all I'm using to identify the USB sticks is the colouring of the insides of their plugs.

I don't get to install anything, as it's a barebones out of the box, with no system in it apart from the BIOS (most recent version as far as I can see).
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« Reply #3719 on: September 20, 2018, 03:06:36 pm »

(Response and reply happened while writing this. Looks like some mild ninjaing going on.)

USB 1,2 (Type A)


USB 3 (Type A)


Examine the respective socket/plug for signs of the extra five connectors. May need favorable illumination/line-of-sight, but the pale blue colour of the plastic tab is the industry-standard shortcut indicator that it (should be!) USB3, or "SS" (superspeed) written alongside the USB 'trident' sigil printed, embossed or in relief around the port/connector housing.


I may be just unaware of it, but SFAIK there is no intrinsic reason for USB3 hardware (either host or peripheral) being unable to slob it with a non-3 (peripheral or host) complimentary connection. The USB 3.0 spec requires that devices be fully backwards compatible with USB 2.0 devices, and if it's not then it's not spec-worthy and could be deficient in other ways.

The top-rate of 'superspeed' won't be available, so it could not work with high-demand data transfer. But I'd expect that only to slow drive access (and neuter the better negotiatable framerates/resolutions of Ultra-HD webcams, maybe) not to not work at all. 'For reasons'. That sounds like a fudge like "My website isn't gonna bother to display for you, 'cos your browser is apparently, like, soooo last year, and I can't be bothered to maintain the less fancy version without all the latest bandwidth-hogging bells'n'whistles!".


I know you suggest you got the (alleged USB3) original stick supplied alongside the main hardware, but can you check that the supplier has remembered to properly 'bootify' the thong, and not just copy it across without bootability set? It could be a honest error. Or the "slow down to a crawl" might suggest a 'disk error' on the stick encountered while bootstrapping. Needs several more stages of investigation to rule in/out various possibilities.
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