To counter your attack, two points. One, you seem awfully convinced that the cult leader absolutely would lurk. If you're wrong on that assumption, then you're going to be blinded by your own assumption. You go as far as to say someone is "a little too active to be the leader." I think your premise is too shaky to rule people out based on that.
I could be wrong, true. But I doubt it. At least, I consider it more likely that I am not wrong. I'm not ruling people out- the only people I have ruled out are me, Dariush, and Jack- and my opinion of Dariush is still subject to change. But if I consider all possibilities regardless of likelyhood, everyone becomes I DUNNO??? for alignment, and that gets us nowhere. So, I consider it less likely that active people are scum, they become PROBS TOWN.
Two, and I was wondering when someone would call me on it, yes, I am doing more defense of people I consider town than I normally would (today- D2 is a different story). Since there's no scum team as of yet, there's no case where someone could accuse me of defending a scumbuddy and thus dismiss my argument. I'm pretty damn sure you're town and am willing to state an argument as such.
True dat. Which is why it isn't my main point; it merely contributes to the overall impression of you trying your darndest to active lurk away.
See, whilst you could be defending others out of the kindness of your heart, you could also (to a degree) be setting yourself up to say 'told you so' tomorrow, and to get the targets of your defence to think 'gee, what a swell guy. I bet he's town'.
I'm not saying that this is definitely the case. But it is a very real possibility, and either way, it is contributing to your air of active-lurkery.
Three: all that other stuff
Wait, what. There is no three? Damn, there goes my chance to unvote you. Oh well, better luck next time. Which is to say, next game, scumbucket.
DARIUSH= TOWN. The cult leader does pay attention to the game, the possible counter roles to his power, and how people are mislynching each other. He is either a neglectful townie, or VERY good at feigning ignorance.Toaster pointed out that you're making a lot of assumptions. Like this here.
How is this a good assumption to make?
Firstly, I'm sorry about being 'too wordy'. If you need anything clarifying, please ask.
Secondly, I fail to see what part of this assumption confuses you. Dariush is almost certainly town, because the cult leader would be paying more attention to the game, and he is not.
I don't really see it. How has he been passive, asking small questions, etc. etc., and how do those make Toaster scum?
I invite you to read over Toaster's posts and look for anything resembling a serious opinion, attack, or contribution to the game. I, at least, could not find any.
This makes Toaster scum because this is activelurking. So designed as to let the cult leader slip under the radar of the town.
So. First, a clarification of my views on "attention" and "suspicion" via an example: the whole RVS hatred thing. Announcing your hatred of RVS attracts attention, but shouldn't really attract suspicion when you're known to do it normally. That is why I didn't really like it when you tried to use that as proof that you weren't actively trying to avoid suspicion. Meh, it confused Jim too.
Well, I dunno. Avoiding attention and avoiding suspicion share many of the same traits, methinks, and in this case, I considered them interchangable. People don't like people who won't play the way they like playing, I feel, and will feel suspicious of someone who is blatant about rejecting their playstyle. They will then go on to look for actual reasons to feel suspicious.
Next, and more importantly, what exactly makes Toaster lurkier, more passive, less willing to ask good questions, and less willing to share opinions on who is scum than, say, Max White, who has never voted (and is the only player, not counting Powder, not to have done so post-RVS), who has barely asked any questions, whose content consists almost completely of an argument with Native that you feel was garbage, and who has not posted in 43 hours? What makes Max, based on what you're looking for, probably town?
Toaster has been here, the whole time. He has never contributed. But he has tried to disguise this lack of contribution.
Max was not here for a while, but not for so long (I felt) that he could be accused of lurking yet. I did say I wanted to see more of him. And yes, what little contribution he had was silly and pretty much all in discussion with Native. But he wasn't (I feel), trying to hide this.
The point is, Max has been lurking. Toaster has been active-lurking. Active lurking is always on purpose; lurking, not always. Native:
I feel like I have responded to these points already. Some of them relate to a difference in our opinions of how to scumhunt; on these, I feel, we must agree to disagree. I'm not sure how much of a response you want to the other things; I feel I would merely be repeating things already said.