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Bohandas

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Re: Premarital sex talk :O
« Reply #225 on: October 05, 2011, 08:50:44 pm »

You don't understand.
Religion has been mentioned by the way, but indeed the point of purity from a religious perspective has not been defended within this thread (though it is often raised IRL) still the point of a "blank canvas" being preferable is on page 1.
I claim that the appeal of that idea come from the fact that a virgin is seen as more pure (or from fear of he competition, but that's another can of worms).

Phmcw is right. Here is the offending quote:

I wanted to discuss the logic involved

The article appears to be promoting a particular worldview, however...if one were a piece of canvas at an art school, and one allowed any art student to paint on you for year and year, it's extremely unlikely that anyone wishing to paint a portrait would choose you over a blank canvass.

Incidentally, it sounds like the canvas in that metaphor has served that art school well, and if it served this purpose for years and years, it could serve it for years and years more.

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Additionally, BTW, a fourth fallacious assumption common on this thread is that everybody wants intimacy.
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Re: Premarital sex talk :O
« Reply #226 on: October 05, 2011, 09:50:18 pm »

I said it in the progressive rage thread, but I'll post it here too since it's relevant. Feel free to pick it apart :3
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Re: Premarital sex talk :O
« Reply #227 on: October 06, 2011, 03:11:47 am »

So sex and marriage is like Salsa and Cars?
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« Reply #228 on: October 06, 2011, 09:06:47 am »

I just wanted to mentin that science is not better than religion, since a) those are not comparable and b) opinions man.
You probably meant scientific reasoning vs religoius reasoning.
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Re: Premarital sex talk :O
« Reply #229 on: October 06, 2011, 09:20:36 am »

I just wanted to mentin that science is not better than religion, since a) those are not comparable and b) opinions man.
You probably meant scientific reasoning vs religoius reasoning.
Actually they are : they are both way to envision the world. And "opinion man" is a terrible argument that I never accept.
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« Reply #230 on: October 06, 2011, 09:27:35 am »

That's pretty ethnocentric (if that expression can be bend this way, didn't really want to say 'arrogant') believing that you hold the ultimate truth.
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« Reply #231 on: October 06, 2011, 10:02:42 am »

That's pretty ethnocentric (if that expression can be bend this way, didn't really want to say 'arrogant') believing that you hold the ultimate truth.
I am right until proved wrong. Then I'll be righter.

I know I don't hold the ultimate truth. But it's definitely the best I know, so good enough I'll try to find a better one. And "ultimate truth" is a fairly religious concept that doesn't concern me. Actually I don't think it is relevant, pretty much as the philosophical stone is irrelevant (and I'm talking about the "perfect mater").
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« Reply #232 on: October 06, 2011, 10:06:40 am »

There is no scientific knowledge without a priori, assumed, unprovable knowledge.
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« Reply #233 on: October 06, 2011, 10:07:28 am »

Actually I believe it's a scientific term and quite recent cosidering the talk of the "world formula" a while ago.
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Re: Premarital sex talk :O
« Reply #234 on: October 06, 2011, 10:14:38 am »

There is no scientific knowledge without a priori, assumed, unprovable knowledge.
First, there is no driving without risk still it's better to drive safely than speeding drunk.

Second while it's philosophically correct, experimental evidence remain. That unprovable knowledge is actually, by definition, hypothesis and should always be challenged, as Einstein shown. 
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« Reply #235 on: October 06, 2011, 10:22:18 am »

Perhaps we should concede disagreement.  I've found that a life without tending to the inner self--and not with psychology or psychiatry, mind you--is a very empty one.
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Re: Premarital sex talk :O
« Reply #236 on: October 06, 2011, 11:00:49 am »

I'm not sure why engaging in scientific reasoning and tending to your inner self should be at all mutually exclusive.

...Or even why you'd somehow need to temporarily abandon scientific reasoning in order to tend to yourself.
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Re: Premarital sex talk :O
« Reply #237 on: October 06, 2011, 11:04:26 am »

I'm not sure why engaging in scientific reasoning and tending to your inner self should be at all mutually exclusive.

...Or even why you'd somehow need to temporarily abandon scientific reasoning in order to tend to yourself.

I feel the same way. Not all of humanity's perceived needs are physical. Mind you, I'm not a religious person, but I still take time to sort out my mind every now and again.
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Re: Premarital sex talk :O
« Reply #238 on: October 06, 2011, 11:27:55 am »

Perhaps Vector's saying she uses something other than empiricism for her "tending to herself." Science only works on empirical principles, and empirical principles are of course, based on assumptions.

That's not so much "abandoning" as using a different tool for a different job.
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Re: Premarital sex talk :O
« Reply #239 on: October 06, 2011, 11:32:59 am »

There is no scientific knowledge without a priori, assumed, unprovable knowledge.
First, there is no driving without risk still it's better to drive safely than speeding drunk.

Did you just compare people of faith to speeding drunks?
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