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Teneb

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Re: Legal abuse in DF
« Reply #30 on: November 09, 2011, 02:28:14 pm »

Finally, the liar skill will be valued!

I'm predicting some bugs right now:

a) Tame animals can be accused of crimes

Uirst McSheriff: Cow McMooMoo, Urist McAnimalDissector claims you are a vampire. What say you?
Cow: Moooo
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Re: Legal abuse in DF
« Reply #31 on: November 09, 2011, 02:40:25 pm »

Uirst McSheriff: Cow McMooMoo, Urist McAnimalDissector claims you are a vampire. What say you?
Cow: Moooo

Urist McSheriff: IT HUNGERS FOR DWARVEN BLOOD! KILL IT KILL IT KILL IT!
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Re: Legal abuse in DF
« Reply #32 on: November 09, 2011, 02:59:18 pm »

Duck, Duck, Cancels lay eggs and quack: on trial.
Duck, Duck, weighed the same as a duck, therefore it floats, therefore it is made of wood.
Duck, Duck, has been sentenced to death by burning for engaging in the dark acts.
Duck, Duck, cancels swim and eat bread: on fire.
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Re: Legal abuse in DF
« Reply #33 on: November 09, 2011, 04:39:05 pm »

Duck, Duck, Cancels lay eggs and quack: on trial.
Duck, Duck, weighed the same as a duck, therefore it floats, therefore it is made of wood.
Duck, Duck, has been sentenced to death by burning for engaging in the dark acts.
Duck, Duck, cancels swim and eat bread: on fire.

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Re: Legal abuse in DF
« Reply #34 on: November 09, 2011, 11:56:48 pm »

Duck, Duck, Cancels lay eggs and quack: on trial.
Duck, Duck, weighed the same as a duck, therefore it floats, therefore it is made of wood.
Duck, Duck, has been sentenced to death by burning for engaging in the dark acts.
Duck, Duck, cancels swim and eat bread: on fire.

Do you really know so much about swallows ducks?
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Re: Legal abuse in DF
« Reply #35 on: November 10, 2011, 12:23:13 am »

1) The "no announcement until the crime is reported" feature is counteracted by the obvious "SOCKS1!!1!1!1!!" bum rush.
This should be easier to overlook... but yeah, to work as intended, not only bodies, but also items should be able to be unknown to dwarves.
Clearly this means Toady should do that "corpses as containers" thing now.

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2) Multiple witnesses will lead to multiple wrongful accusations.
Whoah, after so much examples I see now how much potential in buggyness holds in new justice feature. And this whole hidden crap will make very hard to see if what happened was supposed to happen or some bug got in. This will be like armourer position, only ten times worse.

And we will suffer new system for next few years after patching some most obvious bugs. I want to cry.
You vastly overestimate the bugginess of this. There will doubtless be imperfections, but there's no way it could be ten times the Armorer.
Finally, the liar skill will be valued!
I believe it already factors into trading.
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Re: Legal abuse in DF
« Reply #36 on: November 10, 2011, 09:08:05 am »

This is the forum I know and love.

Announce new feature = People trying to think of ways to abuse and weaponize the new feature.
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Re: Legal abuse in DF
« Reply #37 on: November 10, 2011, 09:15:50 am »

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You vastly overestimate the bugginess of this. There will doubtless be imperfections, but there's no way it could be ten times the Armorer.

What was the armorer bug?
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Re: Legal abuse in DF
« Reply #38 on: November 10, 2011, 09:44:26 am »

The arsenal dwarf.
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Re: Legal abuse in DF
« Reply #39 on: November 10, 2011, 12:55:16 pm »

Clearly this means Toady should do that "corpses as containers" thing now.
Don't give him ideas, this release is already late as is. :P

You vastly overestimate the bugginess of this. There will doubtless be imperfections, but there's no way it could be ten times the Armorer.
Okay, this was hyperbole, but really, I wonder... will Toady be forced to rollback this whole "hide deaths from player" bussiness?

What was the armorer bug?
On top of incredibly buggy military, Toady put arsenal dwarf. Theoretically, this position was to control and assign military equipment. In practice, it was wonderful bug obscuring tool. I fear same thing will happen here with new justice system.
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Re: Legal abuse in DF
« Reply #40 on: November 10, 2011, 04:51:24 pm »

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You vastly overestimate the bugginess of this. There will doubtless be imperfections, but there's no way it could be ten times the Armorer.

What was the armorer bug?

The Arsenal dwarf was a noble position that existed briefly in one of the early 0.31 builds.  You would tell him what equipment to assign to your military, and he would go off and sleep or take breaks instead, and your military would have to use their bare hands to fend off ambushes.  It was one of those rare ideas that were so obviously terrible that Toady ended up removing it after a couple versions.
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Re: Legal abuse in DF
« Reply #41 on: November 10, 2011, 05:08:02 pm »

Uirst McSheriff: Cow McMooMoo, Urist McAnimalDissector claims you are a vampire. What say you?
Cow: Moooo

Urist McSheriff: IT HUNGERS FOR DWARVEN BLOOD  DWARVES HUNGER FOR ITS BURGERS! KILL IT KILL IT KILL IT!

FIFY.  You know, when you think about it, we treat cows an awful lot like vampires treat us... 
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Re: Legal abuse in DF
« Reply #42 on: November 10, 2011, 05:54:52 pm »

Uirst McSheriff: Cow McMooMoo, Urist McAnimalDissector claims you are a vampire. What say you?
Cow: Moooo

Urist McSheriff: IT HUNGERS FOR DWARVEN BLOOD  DWARVES HUNGER FOR ITS BURGERS! KILL IT KILL IT KILL IT!

FIFY.  You know, when you think about it, we treat cows an awful lot like vampires treat us...

Vampires herd dwarves, breed them and use them for a sustainable food source?

Not happened. Yet. Someone will though. Prolly King DZA.

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Re: Legal abuse in DF
« Reply #43 on: November 10, 2011, 06:09:49 pm »

(The Arsenal dwarf) was one of those rare ideas that were so obviously terrible that Toady ended up removing it after a couple versions.
No, reason for it was buggyness of military (and entire game in general) just after release. Unfortunately, Toady plans to bureaucratize us to death. Because, you know, player is not Armok, oh no, player is some vague govermental entity or whatever. So arsenal dorf (and bunch of new useless parasites) will be back, sooner or later. Only silver lining in all of this - considering Toady customs about game development, they will not come in any time soon.
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Re: Legal abuse in DF
« Reply #44 on: November 10, 2011, 06:20:28 pm »

What happens if the Arsenal Dorf position is empty? No one equips anything?
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