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[Angle]

We steal vitality, not soul. And the mass raising is a good idea, but we probably need to wait several levels for that.

[GlyphGryph]

Vitality, life force, whatever. We steal it from the living, killing them in the process, and I don't see how that's an IMPROVEMENT over raising the dead.

[Ehndras]

I'm pretty sure we can take SOME vitality, like drawing blood... You don't necessarily need to take ALL of it.

I figure visualizing a needle or knife slicing something carefully is better than just unleashing a full-blown vitality-syphon on something.

[Grek]

Vitality, life force, whatever. We steal it from the living, killing them in the process, and I don't see how that's an IMPROVEMENT over raising the dead.

Like people have said, there's no particular requirement that we kill anything when draining vitality. And the undead aren't evil, just disgusting.

[Angle]

And not that useful - golems promise to be much more high quality troops, and better PR, to boot.

[Ancre]

You know, figuring out what exactly do we take from a living being when we create a golem should be on our to-do list.

[lockman766]

are we back on the zombies vs. golems again. I'm still in favor of golems.

[Dragor23]

Zombie-Golems. That's the answer.

[The Alchemist]

The problem with golems is that, for the moment, we STILL don't know how to actually raise a proper golem, AND we can only do it using methods more dangerous and questionable than raising undead.

What if we stole vitality from an undead creature we made and used it is that just as unethical or is there a difference between golems from using the vitality of a living creature or an undead one? We certainly have no proof that its unethical but if it is then we can change our ways then, but right now golems do seem like the ethical choice.

[Cellmonk]

Ethical or not, I have a feeling it would go over much better with the public. Humans don't tend to like the thought of disturbing the dead.

[EveryZig]

>Vitality vs Souls
A crucial differences between vitality and souls are that vitality can be partially removed (though we have not yet done so to anything other than ourselves), grows back when damaged, and can be generated through magical means.

>Mass Raising
We could look into that I guess, but I don't see that as a very high priority. Golems tend to go with quality over quantity, achieving numbers via longer life expectancy per unit (by not rotting and generally being more durable than organic constructs).

[yourfears]

for showing omo our powers go with golems.

and i think its too early 2 decide what school we going to follow, between zombies golems and a possible 3rd choice we dont even kno of yet.(life magic had 3 schools.)

[neo1096]

Zombie-Golems. That's the answer.

Aren't zombies just golems made from once-living things, rather than things that were never alive?

[Felius]

for showing omo our powers go with golems.

and i think its too early 2 decide what school we going to follow, between zombies golems and a possible 3rd choice we dont even kno of yet.(life magic had 3 schools.)

This. Let's get better at our powers a bit first before deciding between which schools we are going to.

[lockman766]

for showing omo our powers go with golems.

and i think its too early 2 decide what school we going to follow, between zombies golems and a possible 3rd choice we dont even kno of yet.(life magic had 3 schools.)

I still think the third school is going to be some type of healing. On a side-note whats to stop us from mastering all three we have quite a bit of time on our hands (if we survive that is) also I don't think we should reveal our self to Omo just yet. wait for a good opportunity(maybe give a zombie the stare of death.)