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[Poindexterity]

We aint really discussin this actively over here any more, but if ya wanna see how the actual world in progress is going, come take a look over here, eh?
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=103473.msg3059708#msg3059708


So here goes. its late, but ill do my best to put it into coherant terms.
1- i make a pocket world and drop a fort in there based on the whims of some crazy ruler who probly cant take care of things very well.
2- fort dies (probly within 5-10 years)
3- i pass the save off to someone else who repeats steps 2 and 3 until the whole world is filled with abandoned forts to adventure though.

been done?

EDIT: 1-24-12 apparently not, cause here we are on 29 pages and we've got rules being worked out and mods being discussed and we're already pre-ironing out some issues with other playable races. (I KNOW, RIGHT!?) and our buddy DS has worked out a set of rules as they currently stand. Holy Fajoli, we're in for one HELLUVA thing here folks! HERE-

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Rule #1: A single turn lasts 10 days, beginning the day after the previous save has been made available.
   a) A participant must publicly announce that they have downloaded the save within two days of the beginning of their turn, or their turn is delayed. The participant has the opportunity to take their turn one place later in line so long as they check in within three days of the turn being passed on. If they fail to check-in for their delayed turn, they are skipped.
   b) A participant must upload the save and submit a completed turn survey (see Rule #5) within two days of the end of their turn, or they are skipped. The participant goes to the end of the line, unless they produce the save before the next participant in line announces they have begun.
   c) If a participant is experiencing extenuating circumstances which render them unable to begin or complete their turn, they may be eligible to have their turn delayed, so long as the situation is addressed in advance, and not during their turn.

Rule #2: A participant must add to the world 1 fortress.
   a) Becoming the Mountainhome is prohibited.
   b) Killing of generals, necromancers, titans, civilization leaders, and other notable historical figures is discouraged.
   c) A participant must publicly announce when the fortress crumbles or is otherwise "complete."
   d) If the participant so chooses, they may add to the world an elven forest retreat, a goblin tower, a kobold cave, or a human town instead of a dwarf fortress. All the rules apply normally to these sites.

Rule #3: Altering the raws and use of third-party utilities (Dfhack, Runesmith, etc.) is restricted.
   a) Certain changes to the raws may be made prior to the commencement of the project, and are to be kept throughout the entire project. (We need to finalize these - more on this later.)
   b) Altering the raws or use of third-party utilities may be allowed in certain situations, all of which are to be discussed and decided upon prior to the turn in which they are implemented.
   c) Use of Dwarf Therapist is, of course, allowed.

Rule #4: Upon completion of their turn, a participant must complete and submit a short survey of their turn, consisting of:
   a) Name and location of fortress (ideally via a screenshot of the embark screen).
   b) Status (reclaimable/forbidden). If the fortress is "reclaimable," then any subsequent participant may attempt to reclaim the site. If the fortress is "forbidden," then subsequent participants are not allowed to interact with the site in any way.
   c) Any further information is optional. Participants are strongly encouraged to submit creative elements (anecdotes, original fiction, maps, a journal, etc.) that can be made available to the community, although such information is ultimately optional. A participant may wish to cultivate an aura of mystery surrounding their fortress, in which case minimal information (or none at all) would be appropriate.
   d) The name, location, and status of the fortress should be provided in the same post in which the save is uploaded (see Rule #1), but the subsequent optional information may be submitted at the participant's leisure.

-HERE is the list of rules as they stand now. STRAP IN!

oh yeah, and thanks to eric blank, here ->

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1)   Poindexterity
2)   Girlinhat
3)   Loud Whispers
4)   Di
5)   Kassil
6)   Spish
7)   starshard0
   Oliolli
9)   DS
10)   Babylon
11)   Armeleon
12)   A Spoony Bard
13)   Eric Blank (13 again! Woo!)
14)   Greatorder
15)   Vattic?
16)   clockout1
17)   ayoriceball
18)   Masta Crouton?
19)   Ghills
20)   Wannazzaki?
21)   DwarvenScience
22)   Rainseeker
23)   Cellmonk
24)   Lexx
25)   Monkeyfacedprickleback
26)   Pranz
27)   TomIrony
28)   Gizogin
29)   Vodrilus
30)   Shmadolf shmitler
31)   Elifre
32)   Scriabin
33)   Magma Mater
34)   Terra_Inc
35)   Epithemius
36)   Bragos
37)   JackOSpades
38)   Fluffkind
39)   Phantom of The Library
40)   Graebeard
41)   Shrimp
42)   Garath
43)   Ledgekindred
44)   Veetor
45)   Slowpokez
46)   Ferozstein
47)   Casino.doug
48)   Ab00
49)   Kofthefens
50)   Orius
51)   Brotato
52)   Vehudur
53)   bucketHoolave
54)   Yoink
55)   Scion-of-Fenrir
56)   Japa
57)   Deadmeat1471
58)   Crustypeanut
59)   Feb
60)   Talvieno
61)   Will_Tuna
62)   Edio
63)   khearn

<- here is the current turn listing order.

[Girlinhat]

Been suggested, probably been attempted, don't think it's truly been done.  I'd toss my hat into that ring, as long as we got a few ground rules.  Like forts must be at least halfway entertaining to explore and not a simple dirt burrow, and restricted use of lethal weapon traps.  Like, 10x serrated adamantine disks would be overpowered for any adventurer.  10x copper short swords may be an interesting bit, not so overpowered but still something you'd want to dodge.  Atmospheric forts are a must.  Perhaps, each fort could be given a description and a few stonesense/overseer screenshots, so that adventurers can sort of get the "local lore and gossip" about what the nearby human village thinks of the crazy old decaying fortress.

I think dungeon loot is optional.  Leave it to a dwarf (and an unfair roguelike) to pit you against a dungeon and have absolutely nothing at the end.

[Loud Whispers]

I like this idea. Sending in wave after wave of peasants to "disable" the traps.

[In Soviet Fortress]

[Terra_Inc]

Been suggested, probably been attempted, don't think it's truly been done.  I'd toss my hat into that ring, as long as we got a few ground rules.  Like forts must be at least halfway entertaining to explore and not a simple dirt burrow, and restricted use of lethal weapon traps.  Like, 10x serrated adamantine disks would be overpowered for any adventurer.  10x copper short swords may be an interesting bit, not so overpowered but still something you'd want to dodge.  Atmospheric forts are a must.  Perhaps, each fort could be given a description and a few stonesense/overseer screenshots, so that adventurers can sort of get the "local lore and gossip" about what the nearby human village thinks of the crazy old decaying fortress.

I think dungeon loot is optional.  Leave it to a dwarf (and an unfair roguelike) to pit you against a dungeon and have absolutely nothing at the end.

Sounds really interesting to me. Especially the "local lore and gossip part" - aaah, ideas...

[Girlinhat]

One issue with DF is the utter lack of editable notes.  You can't add a description of the area or the local gossip.  Like, if you're a human adventurer in a human town, and get directions to the crazy dwarven fort, then it won't be telling you much.  However, if the player had a file full of notepads and pictures, they could simulate the "tourist's guide to dwarven deathtraps" that would give a basic, tourist-y overview of the area, history, climate, features to look for, etc.  An interesting fort is interesting, but an interesting fort WITH a backstory and heritage, is the sort of thing people pay to see in games.

[Di]

Succession  worlds were attempted before, such treads usually die out when someone takes save and leaves for good. Thus if you're going to be active GM it may have a chance, otherwise not.
I would take a turn as well.

[Girlinhat]

I'm in for a turn if we're actually gonna do it, but with next release alleged within the month, I'd rather wait and see what hilarity might ensue with undiscovered features and blatant disregard to safety.

[dragginmaster]

It sounds cool, I would totally be interested, but I would need some instructions as I have never plopped a fort from one world into a different world. I almost never play adventure mode so I probably am severely handi crapped there too

[Kassil]

I'll sign on to install a fortress in the world someplace.

[Girlinhat]

It sounds cool, I would totally be interested, but I would need some instructions as I have never plopped a fort from one world into a different world. I almost never play adventure mode so I probably am severely handi crapped there too

You wouldn't be doing that.  You can't move worlds.  This would be in the style of a succession game.  I would generate the world, and play.  I'd do a fort, and have my fort end and fall for whatever reason, hopefully in about the span of a week to keep things moving.  Then, I would put the world folder into a .zip and put it on mediafire (best hosting site I've seen).  Then you would download it, unzip it into your save folder, and run the world, starting a new fortress, sustaining, and dying, before zipping and shipping.  So, it quite heavily depends on having the previous player finish their turn, with most projects faltering once one player has gone inert and the game just stops.

Adventure mode isn't so different from fortress mode.  I mean, yes, it is, but it's still the same game.  All materials are the same and attacks are the same, so you don't suddenly become an RPG hero who can take shotguns to the face and keep going (call of duty).  You're just one wayward soul, same as any other, except you're acting weird.

In terms of Fortress-Adventure crossover, the big points to keep in mind are mainly 1: items scatter upon abandon, unless they're in a constructed container or exceedingly heavy.  A lead bin full of armor will stay put due to lead's weight.  A set of armor put on a display rack will stay put because it's on the rack.  (You can achieve this by assigning a squad to wear civilian clothes while off duty and supplying an armor rack.)  2: Adventurers cannot see traps.  At all.  Plates, weapon traps, spikes in the down position (visible when up), and all that stuff is invisible.  Or, well, it can be toggled visible or not.  Because of this, it may be polite to put special-colored floor tiles on or around traps.  Levers are still visible, and all mechanics work exactly as you'd expect.  3: Adventurer line of sight is very limited.  What your dwarves navigate blindly, your adventurer will stumble around confused.  It's very possible to build a maze by accident as you design your bedroom layouts.

[Spish]

Aye, I've thought about doing something like this before I even knew it was a popular idea. Methinks we should vote on how the world is generated, to get the most fulfilling scenario possible. It'd be silly to start right now though, what with a big new DF release hovering right around the corner.

Edit: Speaking of item scattering. It's possible to effectively disable this, by converting the fortress to a "lair" type site in DFusion (which has a "protect site from item scattering" option) or something like that. Although, I imagine this would also disable the randomly generated wandering monsters and goblin patrol routes in adventure mode (I don't know, just guessing).

[Girlinhat]

DFHack also has a lair mode.  I don't think creatures wander over sites anyways, so that won't matter.  At least, I've never been attacked on any site, only in wilderness.

While we might not start until next version, we can still plan for it now.  My suggestion would be for a relatively flat map, with a wide, perfectly flat valley for the OCD among us who demand a smooth canvas, with mountains rising to either side for good dwarven settlements and for sheer cliffs for the more creatively inclined.  Further north could be a sea and many small islands, and to the south could be a frozen glacier zone.  Sprinkle good/evil and various terrain attributes as seen fit to add more variety.  Gen with a LOT of civs and beasts, relatively short worldgen.

[starshard0]

I'm in. I'm all for building an exciting site for an adventurer to explore.

[Oliolli]

With Girlinhats idea for a world, I may also be inclined to try it out.

[DS]

I'm all for this idea, although I would recommend a map bigger that pocket size - things might get cramped, and it'd be easier to get a good variety of embark locations.