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[martinuzz]

To help protect the safety of those who want to participate in the Pride in Budapest, our mayor of Amsterdam, Femke Halsema has announced she will be travelling to Budapest and join the Pride in support of her Budapest colleague, the mayor of Budapest, who has declared he will ignore the government ban and allow the Pride.
After that, our government also decided to send our secretary of state for Education and Emancipation to Budapest to join the Pride.
The Pride has been forbidden by the Hungarian government, 'to protect the children from lgbth propaganda'

A majority of our parliament agreed that forbidding the Pride is not in accordance with the core values of the EU, like freedom, state of law, and democracy. The only party that voted against government prescense at the Budapest Pride was Geert Wilders' PVV

[EuchreJack]

Among other things, Battletech celebrates Pride Month.

[Great Order]

Taking a page straight out of the US's book, RefUK is banning transgender books from kid's sections of libraries.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c6257p2vry3o

[martinuzz]

The Russian parliament passed a new law. A black list of about 500 pages has been made, of words and terms that are deemed 'extremist'.
The new law makes it a punishable offense to type those words and phrases in a search engine. Offenders will be fined with a maximum fine of 53 euros.

Amongst the words that are considered 'extremist' and are forbidden to search for are LHBTI and related terms.

The new law will probably also affect Whatsapp in Russia. Because it's content cannot be monitored by the Russian state for offending words, it will probably be banned.

[Truean]

Please do not quote:
I think anything on issues to do with the whole gay thing is dead for a few years at least in the US, maybe forever.

Trump is killing it. Trump is killing anything to do with trans matters that he can. Trump can do a lot. No one seems able to stop him and basically anyone who tries ends up regretting it. God help you if he targets you. If massive corporations fold, what chance does anyone else have, much less someone without massive resources or with very limited resources?
Absent a massive philosophical shift in the US, I don't see a lot of hope for that group or those groups. However you want to say it.

At this point I wonder if Canada will accept them in. Maybe there it would be safer for them? More welcoming? I don't know.
I have heard of several not quite straight people who are going to hide and / or run....

I think there was a massive miscalculation. The idea that a very rich, powerful, group would somehow be "easy" (or inevitable) to get rights from as though it were self evident / deserved? Even if that were assumed true for argument's sake, the sheer resistance against it from the right was always massive. Right or wrong, however you think it is, these things are about effective verses not effective.  Results speak loud....

I'm not sure what else to say except that at this point it looks like conservatives are winning the culture war for sure.

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[Frumple]

I'm... deeply unsure on that one, because the war they're "winning" is one that the people that substantively care about it are significantly going to be dead in a few years. It's fairly likely much of the current thread relevant horseshit is a last gasp from a dying generation or two of assholes and a lot of it eases off when they die off in enough numbers they stop mattering so goddamn much.

Doesn't do much to help now, but there's still a long ways to turn back just to get back to where we were when the older of us were kids, nevermind as far back as the scumshit you're talking about are trying to drag the country. That mess ain't lost, yet.

Next year at the absolute minimum and probably at least the next few is going to fucking suck, tho'. Ain't no question on that front.

... that said, Canada's a maybe? Can't figure out where I saw it, but I remember seeing mention fairly recently of someone on the LGBT spectrum that wandered up there without the right documentation that got a stay on deportation specifically because the situation in the US is notably unsafe at the moment. So it's probably less hostile than the current US fed, for all that isn't a high bar to clear and it doesn't make immigration any easier.

There's definitely a fair few amount of the folks in question that have the resources to get out of dodge getting out of dodge, either directly uprooting or at least getting the prep done for it. Most people don't really have the option, unfortunately. If you ain't pretty rich (either explicitly or in particularly desired skillsets, which usually entails the former anyway) most countries don't want you

[Great Order]

Remember this is a climate that LGBTQ+ individuals have survived previously. Try as they might, we won't be erased.

It's very unfortunate that life isn't going to be easy for anyone belonging to the group in the US (The UK's also doing it, just not to the same extreme. At least not yet. I've my own theory that the US's outsized cultural impact makes us extra vulnerable to the US's influence because we're a fairly conservative society and the US and UK share a language so there's a greater permeability of talking points. See stuff like trans panic migrating here (Readily picked up by people like JK Rowling) but also BLM (UK's racism works differently) and its "Hands up don't shoot" being chanted at unarmed UK police) but this is something that you can survive. If anything it's better than it was in the bad old days because while you're being attacked you also have a lot of public support. Back then you didn't even have that.

Hang in there, you can make it.

[martinuzz]

Thought up a friendly way to turn down a guy who was hitting on me.
I told him, look. I am a somewhat genderfluid man. I have a strong feminine side. But my feminine side is lesbian. Sorry dude, I only fancy women.

I guess my feminine side also explains why most women I had a relation with in my life are bi-sexual.

[voliol]

Seems the EU is bonking its members over the head for not accepting gay marriages. Well, member states are still free to deny homosexual marriages happening within their borders, but if a marriage has been instated in any part of the EU, it must be considered valid in all parts.

I wonder what EU states, if any, have lenient enough laws to allow for marriage trips. So e.g. two ladies from Hungary could take a weekend off, and then come back with a certificate the Hungarian state must accept.

Would reckon none, but it is good news regardless

[EuchreJack]

Traveling to get married is an ancient practice.

I don't think the problem is s going to be finding an EU jurisdiction that want to help out for the economic benefits, but rather getting Hungary and possibly other EU countries to actually acknowledge the marriage.

[wobbly]

Forgot not to quote

I doubt so, you are likely? my age. and Trump is a regress, but I remember worse. I am not Trans, but I do know remember what was. The current backslide is still better than the world I was born in to.

Me myself I am, uncomfortable around Trans people, but for me that's just normal, I am uncomfortable around everyone. It's an ongoing fight but you are not losing you are winning. Current times are bad for everyone.

[Starver]

Traveling to get married is an ancient practice.

Aye: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gretna_Green#Marriage
(A relatively modern practice, also probably still mostly heteronormative.)

[Great Order]

It seems UK transphobes have found a winning formula with the new SC ruling and its lack of clarity.

They've started suing, or threatening to sue, organisations until they can't afford to fight and face either discriminating against trans women (Always trans women, never trans men) or bankruptcy.

Girl Guides first, now it's Women's Institute.