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Gozol

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Obscure Min-Maxing methods
« on: August 09, 2025, 06:48:09 am »

Hi! I want to try doing a fort where absolutely everything is fully optimised (no mater the cost of setup). What do you think would be some good includes? The more obscure the better. For example I recently learned that your dwarves can increase their Observation skill by being near sparring and fights, so I plan to build my barracks near highly populated areas.
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Re: Obscure Min-Maxing methods
« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2025, 08:12:05 pm »

Optimized toward what goals? I mean, people have created swimming pools to ensure dwarfs gain swimming skill, and you can improve the strength of all dwarfs by setting up a pump gym.
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Re: Obscure Min-Maxing methods
« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2025, 08:24:11 pm »

Toward the general well-being of the dwarves and the fort at large (skill and atribute development, mood betterment, wealth generation (both for trade and rooms), dwarven workflow, defences effectivnes and so on). Basically anything that is considered a positive. The two examples you gave are excelent, thank you!
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Re: Obscure Min-Maxing methods
« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2025, 10:45:53 pm »

Rebuild until masterwork: wells, furnaces, bridges, Trade Depot. Dwarves get good thoughts from them.
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Re: Obscure Min-Maxing methods
« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2025, 02:12:59 am »

Rebuild until masterwork: wells, furnaces, bridges, Trade Depot. Dwarves get good thoughts from them.

Dwarves get especially good thoughts if the building they’re working in gets torn down and rebuilt while they’re in the middle of a strange mood.  You should try it out!
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Re: Obscure Min-Maxing methods
« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2025, 05:27:14 am »

Rebuild until masterwork: wells, furnaces, bridges, Trade Depot. Dwarves get good thoughts from them.

Dwarves get especially good thoughts if the building they’re working in gets torn down and rebuilt while they’re in the middle of a strange mood.  You should try it out!
I've never had any problems when dismantling wells that had dwarves working in them.
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Re: Obscure Min-Maxing methods
« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2025, 09:50:47 am »

Rebuild until masterwork: wells, furnaces, bridges, Trade Depot. Dwarves get good thoughts from them.

Oh, good one! I knew about the trade depot, but had no idea that workshops can give good thoughts. Thanks!

Dwarves get especially good thoughts if the building they’re working in gets torn down and rebuilt while they’re in the middle of a strange mood.  You should try it out!

I'll make sure to try that some day ;)
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Re: Obscure Min-Maxing methods
« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2025, 07:58:50 pm »

and you can improve the strength of all dwarfs by setting up a pump gym.

I heard that pump gyms got nerfed pretty hard. You can use military training to increase strength now, and it's quite fast. Half a year of drills get you very strong dwarfs.
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Re: Obscure Min-Maxing methods
« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2025, 12:23:36 pm »

Rebuild until masterwork: wells, furnaces, bridges, Trade Depot. Dwarves get good thoughts from them.

Dwarves get especially good thoughts if the building they’re working in gets torn down and rebuilt while they’re in the middle of a strange mood.  You should try it out!

You can't, since the workshop is claimed by the moody dwarf and you can't select its destroy button.

You can depower magma forges while they are claimed, which will fail the mood. Not relevant to optimizing structure quality, though.
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Re: Obscure Min-Maxing methods
« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2025, 12:38:23 pm »

Rebuild until masterwork: wells, furnaces, bridges, Trade Depot. Dwarves get good thoughts from them.

Dwarves get especially good thoughts if the building they’re working in gets torn down and rebuilt while they’re in the middle of a strange mood.  You should try it out!

You can't, since the workshop is claimed by the moody dwarf and you can't select its destroy button.

You can depower magma forges while they are claimed, which will fail the mood. Not relevant to optimizing structure quality, though.

Forbidding the building material of the workshop after the moody dwarf claimed it also works.
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Re: Obscure Min-Maxing methods
« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2025, 05:12:54 am »

What if you unleash a building destroyer on the claimed workshop?
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