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relarmage

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Do dump piles work differently now?
« on: October 17, 2025, 08:00:54 pm »

I am playing 52.05 and now my dwarves very rarely haul wooden logs to the dump pile. They haul boulders fine, but when it comes to logs they seldom do it, even if I only mark logs for dumping. Using DFHack's prioritize -a seems to have no effect over the dumping task.
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Re: Do dump piles work differently now?
« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2025, 03:00:18 am »

I feel that dwarves are slow to take up dumping task that's far away, while very eager to do the dumping near them.
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Re: Do dump piles work differently now?
« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2025, 03:15:37 pm »

Yeah, if you do not have idle dwarfs (non-priority socializing and praying), that means all your dwarfs are working on closer jobs that have same or higher priority (or are restricted from taking Dump jobs).
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Re: Do dump piles work differently now?
« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2025, 02:40:17 am »

oh how I wish we could modify job priorities like any other modern settlement manager

alas

the only way to dump materials effectively en masse is to have a free labor force of about 10-20 dwarves

One way to make this happen is to deactivate your miltary squads from training so they return to the workforce.

Another way is to have a force of hauling-only dorfs

a third way is to never move things anywhere and accept chaos as a fundamental theme of every fortress. this is the true way
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Re: Do dump piles work differently now?
« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2025, 03:01:19 am »

I agree that its the true way (i almost never build substantial stockpiles or quantum ones) but sometimes those materials need to get here now. To make that happen you could check your labor settings (under the labors menu, at the top left) and make sure "collect outdoor refuse" is turned on. Or just create a bigger wood stockpile in a hallway and unmark them for dumping and theyll probably drag them inside because now its somehow more important.

Sometimes, to get a big project rolling fast you really do have to shut down other industries temporarily.
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Re: Do dump piles work differently now?
« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2025, 09:02:12 am »

the only way to dump materials effectively en masse is to have a free labor force of about 10-20 dwarves

Ah, yes, the once a year suspension of all jobs and putting all the dorfs to dump those betattered clothes cluttering cabinets and hallways. It is satisfying.

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Re: Do dump piles work differently now?
« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2025, 09:24:33 pm »

I feel that dwarves are slow to take up dumping task that's far away, while very eager to do the dumping near them.

You think so? I had logs next to the base entrance, and the dump pile was right in the first level where I built. Not so far away, in my opinion.
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Re: Do dump piles work differently now?
« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2025, 05:18:26 pm »

I feel that dwarves are slow to take up dumping task that's far away, while very eager to do the dumping near them.

You think so? I had logs next to the base entrance, and the dump pile was right in the first level where I built. Not so far away, in my opinion.
He has that right, when dwarfs are dumping stuff, they do the closest Dump job first.

Your dwarfs were doing the stone-dumping jobs because there were enough idler dwarfs to do them, then when there were log-dumping jobs, your dwarfs were all busy with other jobs of equal or higher priority. When dwarf-that-is-allowed-to-do-the-job is not doing the job, they either cannot path to the job or they have closer jobs with equal or higher priority.
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Re: Do dump piles work differently now?
« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2025, 11:15:25 pm »

I haven't much exp with the very latest DF version, but afaik, in playing the versions pre-STEAM-release, the guys in this thread who responded above me have probably covered the correct answers to the OP question...
So unless you're seeing some kind of especially insane, ridiculous, repetitive, and, all-dwarves, all-the-tim-time habit that really stands out in your Fort?
it's probably just like they said; a matter of time, luck, and dwarf-psychology/trickery to get things moving how you want it.

https://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/Garbage_dump Also states that activity zone dumps work different from stockpiles so there's that to consider as well.
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Re: Do dump piles work differently now?
« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2025, 10:54:37 pm »

How are QSPs working in the latest release?
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Re: Do dump piles work differently now?
« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2025, 11:40:56 pm »

Minecart ones work just as always, a simple turn around 1 z or even shorter circuits and your entire inventory of stone and wood is in one convenient place until your dug out and deforest embark is completely clear.

I can't say i've really been paying attention but wood is definitely being added last. If you had a range of 1 of every item typical to the starting caravan, wagon wood is the last one to be added, but the first to be stockpiled (better with minecarts for that reason).
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