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Title: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home v.3
Post by: Rumrusher on April 07, 2011, 05:38:51 pm

5/29/2022
dusts off this thread

ok so it's been about 10 or 9-ish years since I updated this mess and over the years adventure mode got a bit more easier with settling down adventurers to sites of their own making.
with and with out dfhack/third party utilities/dfusion

The Guide v.3

starting with making a camp you can do so by walking directly into the wilderness and pressing the b key to open up a build menu which lets you spawn a 3x3 campsite(or smaller depending if it next to any other sites) around the adventurer if you designate any walls or buildings first otherwise you just open the adv build menu.
the build menu takes the memory of the adventurer(s) understanding of the location and applies that to what you visibly can see on the build menu.
this doesn't mean you can't build stuff in the black out spots of the area in said build menu it just means the adventurer/player/you will have a hard time figuring out what you built there until you scout out the area.

now retiring in these camp sites require claiming said camp sites which places a civ in the site and a leader for said civ.
doing so will also make who ever you tasked for this action is actively throwing away their status of membership and citizenship of the other civs away... also requires membership and citizenship of a civ to even become a lord/lady of a campsite so human outsiders are exempted from doing this right out of the gate until you give them citizenship in any other way be it retiring them in a site, giving them citizenship via nobility passing down, or enlisting them into someone's military the last 2 would be talk about later.

oh and you also need a mainhall civ zone made which can be done with accessing the zone tab which only becomes accessible when you name the site which only becomes accessible after placing down one designation.
once you got a mainhall set up you take the adventurer who going to lord/lady over the site and get them to shout/'talk to anyone' about claiming the site while standing in the main hall civ zone.
you get a prompt explaining that there's a new civ ruling over the place and now the campsite is open for retiring.

 Defenses
 
 now defending your home from intruders is a bit bag of 'until you got the leader of a civ set up* any wandering group could interrupt you at any time while constructing stuff.
_{*may still just rush into your site and assault you}
so given one could control the battlefield on your home turf one could build ambush traps for invaders that you can slip past and capitalize.

there's the -fortification micro bunker which is a 3x3 pillbox that has all it's walls be fortifications with the roof being 9 floors.
this works as a protection against any melee attackers, you can also  assign civ zones and add companions and followers to these pill boxes and act as turrets for defense.


there's probably more defense plans but the micro bunker is usually what I go with as getting ambushed while inside the bunker means you can trap the ambusher's inside while you just jump out of the fortifications.

Civ zones

ok so one of the interesting bits with adv mode camps is the ability to make civ zones
which are similar to the zones you can place in fort mode but a bit different given you have similar 'locations'
these zones can be used to assign anyone you come across in your journey in adventure mode be it companions you talk your way into joining you, or the fellow adventurers in your party you assign from the start( to maybe the gremlins you got from the human outsider in your party).
assigning followers to civ zones will make it so that when they are out of the party they will show up in those assign spots in the camp.
this combine with adventurer party members opens the door to say lifting or lowering adventurers to new locations
as one could assign a civ zone anywhere on the camp site including areas that you can't visibly see.
though it won't work as a civ zone until the assign zone is seen to have a floor tile which shows up as a + than a # so be careful with deep civ zone applying.

oh and telling your follower to wait, or assign them to a construction task, will kick them out of the travel party which will let them zoop to the civ zone when you unload the location via fast traveling or ... uhh sleeping/waiting/ doing constructions.

that said one thing I would make note is until patched out don't make a guild hall in your adv camp that will crash your game.


Furniture

ok so Furniture tab this is where yo furnish the place with items like beds and stuff which makes the place look lively and gives artifacts a place to stay in and not horribly scatter around the map.

as writing this section I realize I skim past the part where you learn about chopping down trees which requires learning about knapping stone and grabbing a branch to turn into a heave and combining them together to make a stone axe.... and or just having an axe at the start of the adv mode session but here is usually when after building the micro bunker and assigning the folks you pick up along the way to said micro bunkers where you could start working on carpentry
so the game gave adventurers the means to build a carpentry workshop. that's it.
now  once you assign a carpentry workshop and waited for the game to build it for you, you can now walk over to the carpentry workshop and unlock the hidden adv reaction tab that shows up only when standing in said carpentry workshop.
this option would allow you to build beds, craft doors and make tables though you do need logs and a sharp item like an axe or a weapon to craft stuff with, and the logs need to be like I think in your hand and or on the floor directly in the carpentry workshop and under the adventurer.

_{this does open the modding idea of different workshops in game giving adventurers different access to tools but that's modding.}

after you crafted the stuff you should probably drop them as any crafted items will appear in your hands and the game won't let you build stuff in your hands... some how.
also in the option for crafting the carpentry workshop which is nested in a option called workshop is the other furniture options which you can construct and build stuff for.
oh and chests don't have one so you kinda have to plop them where ever you want them to be this also goes with barrels.


Locations

ok now that I explain the basics of adv camps here's the stuff you can setup with locations.
 so outside of the guildhall which will crash your game the locations you can build are a library, and a tavern/inn and the main hall which meantion prior is used to claim the site.

taverns/inns have a special property of affecting the units that stand in them as if any learn a song, tune, dance, and or poem,  they will be open to perform. also if you build a section of the tavern with barrels filled with drinks and a chest to hold cups folks will go out of their way to grab a cup and scoop up drinks to drink.

the fun bit about taverns is if you say make the tavern like the entire campsite large you can have just about any wildlife or idle unit on the field moving over to join in on a performance. 

libraries are ... something I haven't dip into but if you made an novelist adventurer with a bunch of quire and scrolls you could set up a library to give folks stuff to read.. though I don't know if they work like the fort mode counterpart as I really should have tested this bit out more... though I seen folks who are scholars reading the books in the area and turning into necromancers so it probably having some effect.

Fort mode retiring

ok so given toadyone added the means to retire in fort mode this open the door to moving adventurers in as a retired fort acts like any other dwarven fort site with the idle dwarves standing around and or dwarves running towards fort's tavern and library and guildhall that got built...
with just moving into a retired fort means the adventurer has the chances to rest and become part of the fort hivemind colony or well return to the Fort if you set the background to be from the player fort.... which is a good improvement from the previous updates where you have to mash the choose background option repeatedly until you landed on the player fort.

there a few things you can do with forts that you could use your adventurer with which dips into Hybrid Play:

Militia dwarves control
ok so I skim past explaining hearth-folks on adv camp site leaders as I haven't found use for them outside of teaching me that lords and ladies have Squads... which means the dialog system for them works with military commanders which means you could as an adventurer assign to a squad leader go around and enlist up to 9 other folks to the fort's military and this could be Anyone.
now them accepting you might be tricky as you need to do something to win their honor which for some it's doing acts of bravery and reporting it and hope it inspires them to join you,  for me you could just take any single stack item and name it and give it to them as a gift. this would for some of the sapient beings out there would accept being part of the fort's army and will join in on missions... if they were on site.

I should note If they were on the fort site.

if they were on site and was sent off on a mission when/if they come back they will become honorary fort members and you can use them in the fort.

this is crucial knowledge for the next bit which is

Expedition leader Exchange

so expedition leaders are similar to lords and ladies of adv camps where they could say pass down the title to who ever they want and getting and adventurer to this status means you have the means to make anyone who you talk to become leader of the player fort, and unlike the militia commander/captain being able to enlist folks the exp leader role will/might compel the new leader to march over to the player fort.
which combine with the militia dwarf enlisting means you have a one two punch on getting folks to join your fort which opens to them becoming companions down the line if you want them to follow your adventurers.

though uhh there some units this won't work on mostly folks already nobles thus you need to talk them out of the noble position first before having a chance of this working


adv camps and player fort intermixing
ok so this one a bit more experimental but in 47.04 you could make a nano fort and park it over any spot of a player camp and build on the player camp... well now that got changed to if the game detects any nearby overlap of a player camp and an player fort the game will cover the entire camp with the fort which will prevent the player from building on the camp in adventure mode.

i found one way to bypass that but I need to do more testing to see if it stable... other wise you could just use the knowledge of building up your adv camp first then parking your dwarves over the camp later.

and adv camps don't have restrictions(so far) on where you place constructions so you can wall up the camp edges or build structures and floors towering the place and potentially have the dwarves embark on the top most floor of the place.

DFhack

so what I said above was mostly vanilla in the stuff you can do in 47.05 dwarf fortress... the stuff you can do with dfhack is uhh well
take all the crafting stuff from before and apply that with advfort script and you can renovate and furnish the camp with what ever you want and with a pick or axe can chop down as many trees and dig up the camp to your liking.
there also the whole mode set switching between adv mode and fort mode but I'm testing a slightly more faster means of switching between those modes that doesn't require saving(much) that seems to open up adv camp construction as you could use an modified version of warmist's tofort (https://gist.github.com/warmist/4198190) to get into fort mode on your campsite which if I do more tests opens the door to getting migrants for the camp... and getting siege.
but so far I been getting crashes on it and weird oddities that I don't feel to safe to just suggest folks to use, given I posted the script in the dfhack thread (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=164123.msg8376169#msg8376169)

that said I made a bunch of other dfhack scripts for messing around the adv camps right down to one where you can move the adv camp to your location (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=164123.msg7918466#msg7918466) which reminds me any follower you assign to the campsite will permanently be stuck to that site if you disband them from the party so one could say go around recruiting a bunch of folks for entertainment then park them at a campsite then go pick more up and if the previous folks leave the party due to you not doing performances they will be station at the campsite forever so that you can win them over all over again.

hopefully this clean up of this old thread about adv homes does a good job explaining some things I probably miss some stuff but hopefully this covers most of the new update for Adv homes.

Spoiler: "v.2" (click to show/hide)

10/6/12 new version means an update to the guide.
Okay so about 6 months a has past and Dfhack updated alot... which kinda fiddle with dfusion.

-you can drop any item anywhere in the world now so using 'lair' on (non-player)sites you clean out to live in is unneeded, though you should still use 'lair' on player-forts for that they still scrambles items.


4/26/2012 new guide.
This is a guide on how to build a shelter and home for your adventurer while being able to expand on it and retire(thanks to langdon for finding the retired fortress trick).
Okay alot has change since last time, interactions, vampires, time to update Adventure homes.

first off dfusion kinda merge with dfhack so you just need one.
two due to runesmith being down you need dfusion to get access to your citizens.
three you don't need to kill someone to retire a fort.
 
1 you need the recent Dfhack (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=91166.0) for it's Dfmode and Dfusion and or Runesmith (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=59056.0) for flag changing though Dfusion has a chance of making a quick edit though Runesmith has easy access to Civ numbers.

2 you need to use Dfusion or 'lair' to remove the scatting tiles from the embark site which isn't needed but a life saver when you travel out of the home.

3 Use dfusion 'change adventurer' function in the 'tools' menu on a citizen. doing this will mark them as an adventurer(like a full adventurer and not some playable npc) and allows you to retire the fort.
4. make the adventure someone who is dead using DFusion adventure changer then hit the Esc.

5. boot up 'mode set' then hit change the mode to adventure '1',

6. save the game then reload it. If done correctly you are now dead. Now the menu will change and say proper adventure mode options you should be able to choose retire if you got no errors up to this part.

7. finish the game Retire.

8. now with the fort becoming a retirement center you just need to take the adventurer there once on the site use Runesmith, Dfusion to remove the Is resident tag on the adventurer and set it up so that they have the same civ number(checking the residents Civ number and copying that on to the adventurer) uhh i'll post a function to do this.

9. hit Esc use 'mode set' again only have it set as 0

10. save and check with out unpausing that the Adventurer is controllable now if you selected dwarf all you need to notice is it the adventurer has the normal dwarf mode face and not a @ if they have a @ then go repeat 8.(you can also check if you see any one in idle. if there isn't any one idling then you have no workers.)

Bonus stuff one could do using Dfmode.

Setting up a underground fort with no signs of entry from the surface.

The neat thing about how the game hides and unhides tiles on the memory and vision the adventurer when cross over to fort mode.You can 'reveal' the caverns or hell without digging from the surface on fort your playing on. To do this and start a hidden base you just need to swap over to fort mode Directly under the site and to do that you need to find a cave(hard) or find a old fort that breached the caverns swap over to adventure mode and walk into the caverns though the journey to your embark site can be a challenge on it's own and the farther the entrance to the caverns is the harder it is to pull this off.
Oh and due to the fort mode would only reveal the tiles the adventurer had scene there chances you could leave your self with a 3x3 tile of room to work with... luckily you could fix this by digging up or removing a wall tile which then reveals all the empty spaces.

Saving your pets.

Working on it. solution for this is to make every one a companion even the pets then take them with you or just make the pets a companion.

ARMIES

there two types the Entire fort and squads.

Entire fort simple but should be used for reckless attacks any one killed that was vital to the fort in a Entire fort attack it's on your head but these are more fun when you out number the bandits and human forts with your army.

Squads the smaller type which takes more Dfusion magic to work than the Entire fort means of attacking. this is due to having to swap to the leader or member of the military group you want to send out and make every one there a companion to that person then Travel to the destination doing this means no member needed for the fort dies but you are limited on man power, so do this for tactical strikes or if the threat is small.

the great thing about Armies is that if you throw in an adventurer to the group you can retire the men in a small hamlet and go back to your fort and train the rest for a second strike. You can also repeat the this process if you have another adventurer on the site or make new adventurers. 

you could have community turn based Strategy game with this.


7/19/2011
well I found another way to keep animals alive after retiring.
you just revive them once you go back.

8/12/2011
Beast Master

A couple of breakthroughs during the month I been messing around:
one is if you can recruit any sentient creature to military if you swap the fort race (or swap the race of the creature to the fort race ) then enlist them to the military, now while you can have minotaur archers you can't get minotaur generals until you happen to let two minotaur mate and give birth to one or set the migrant wave to minotaurs.

Second which can be helpful for armies is that you can just set the enlist creature to friendly and still have access to military control over that unit,(example)

oh capturing these beasts might be a challange given normal Dfusion only gives you bare bone tools and you have to sneak up to the creature and hope that they don't see and fully be aggro to you.
Kidnapping Randomroyal folks

Favorite past time in Adventure mode is kidnapping royals from their fortress and bringing them back to my fort.
Doing this is as easy and hard as finding a fortress that has people living inside.
Though the tricky and more satisfying is to find one that in an unable site like a mountainhome or a elven resort then bring them to your home.
how I do this is by using Dfusion's site changer to change the site to something Toady didn't removed from the game(there a event option that marks the place as a red X on your quest map and travel screen and every one would just be standing there so kinda like a old elven resort), which will spawn them on the map.
have a collection of Royal prisoners and have FUN!*

4/27/12 Though now I just have fun teaching random peasants secrets and magical powers and bringing them back to the fort.

_{^{*I am in no way accepting any chances of lost of life or lost of fortress by loyalty crusades if you go out and do these things.}}
the older spoiler stuff down below

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1 you need the recent Dfhack (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=58809.0) for it's Dfmode and Dfusion and or Runesmith (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=59056.0) for flag changing though Dfusion has a chance of making a quick edit though Runesmith has easy access to Civ numbers.

2 you need to use Dfusion or Dflair to remove the scatting tiles from the embark site which isn't needed but a life saver when you travel out of the home.

3 is to either Start digging up/organizing the site so the adventurer can go in and finish up or go straight to step four.

4. make the adventure someone who is dead using DFusion adventure changer then hit the Esc.

5. boot up Dfmode hit change the mode to adventure, managing which is 1,0

6. save the game then reload it if done correctly you are now dead.

7. finish the game

8. now with the fort becoming a retirement center you just need to take the adventurer there once on the site use Runesmith, Dfusion to remove the Is resident tag on the adventurer and set it up so that they have the same civ number(checking the residents Civ number and copying that on to the adventurer).

9. hit Esc use Dfmode again only have it set as 0,1

10. save and check with out unpausing that the Adventurer is controllable now if you selected dwarf all you need to notice is it the adventurer has the normal dwarf mode face and not a @ if they have a @ then go repeat 8.

now you are on your way to building free medicare and custom weapons having a love life and netting free minions who will work for you and defend the area from bandits.


june 13 someone shown me there was a faster way to retire a fortress,
 which is simply

• go to escape menu
• use Dfmode to change over to adventure mode and assume direct control 1, 1
• back to Dwarf fortress go to give in to starvation and end the game.

Bonus stuff one could do using Dfmode.

Setting up a underground fort with no signs of entry from the surface.

The neat thing about how the game hides and unhides tiles on the memory and vision the adventurer when cross over to fort mode.You can 'reveal' the caverns or hell without digging from the surface on fort your playing on. To do this and start a hidden base you just need to swap over to fort mode Directly under the site and to do that you need to find a cave(hard) or find a old fort that breached the caverns swap over to adventure mode and walk into the caverns though the journey to your embark site can be a challenge on it's own and the farther the entrance to the caverns is the harder it is to pull this off.
Oh and due to the fort mode would only reveal the tiles the adventurer had scene there chances you could leave your self with a 3x3 tile of room to work with... luckily you could fix this by digging up or removing a wall tile which then reveals all the empty spaces.

Saving your pets.

Working on it. solution for this is to make every one a companion even the pets then take them with you or just make the pets a companion.

ARMIES

there two types the Entire fort and squads.

Entire fort simple but should be used for reckless attacks any one killed that was vital to the fort in a Entire fort attack it's on your head but these are more fun when you out number the bandits and human forts with your army.

Squads the smaller type which takes more Dfusion magic to work than the Entire fort means of attacking. this is due to having to swap to the leader or member of the military group you want to send out and make every one there a companion to that person then Travel to the destination doing this means no member needed for the fort dies but you are limited on man power, so do this for tactical strikes or if the threat is small.

the great thing about Armies is that if you throw in an adventurer to the group you can retire the men in a small hamlet and go back to your fort and train the rest for a second strike. You can also repeat the this process if you have another adventurer on the site or make new adventurers. 

you could have community turn based Strategy game with this.


7/19/2011
well I found another way to keep animals alive after retiring.
you just revive them once you go back.

8/12/2011
Beast Master

A couple of breakthroughs during the month I been messing around:
one is if you can recruit any sentient creature to military if you swap the fort race (or swap the race of the creature to the fort race ) then enlist them to the military, now while you can have minotaur archers you can't get minotaur generals until you happen to let two minotaur mate and give birth to one or set the migrant wave to minotaurs.

Second which can be helpful for armies is that you can just set the enlist creature to friendly and still have access to military control over that unit,(example)

oh capturing these beasts might be a challange given normal Dfusion only gives you bare bone tools and you have to sneak up to the creature and hope that they don't see and fully be aggro to you.
Kidnapping Randomroyal folks

Favorite past time in Adventure mode is kidnapping royals from their fortress and bringing them back to my fort.
Doing this is as easy and hard as finding a fortress that has people living inside.
Though the tricky and more satisfying is to find one that in an unable site like a mountainhome or a elven resort then bring them to your home.
how I do this is by using Dfusion's site changer to change the site to something Toady didn't removed from the game(there a event option that marks the place as a red X on your quest map and travel screen and every one would just be standing there so kinda like a old elven resort), which will spawn them on the map.
have a collection of Royal prisoners and have FUN!*

_{^{*I am in no way accepting any chances of lost of life or lost of fortress by loyalty crusades if you go out and do these things.}}

Title: Re: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home
Post by: Kaelem Gaen on April 08, 2011, 01:57:29 am

Sounds awesome...   What is the crash rate like when doing this if there is one yet?

Title: Re: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home
Post by: Langdon on April 08, 2011, 02:15:04 am

Quote from: Kaelem Gaen on April 08, 2011, 01:57:29 am

Sounds awesome...   What is the crash rate like when doing this if there is one yet?

I've used this (on .21, haven't used the new .25 dfmode yet) to set up an adventurer base. Basically, build a small house (with staff, doctor, smith and any other crafters if you like) and switch back and forth from fortress to adventure mode as needed.

It doesn't crash if you make sure that you switch away from your live adventurer to a dead  entity when switching from fortress->adventurer, and make sure it is an established fort that has been properly "retired" before switching from adventurer->fort.

Basically, make sure you return the world to the "Start Playing" state in the main menu before you start playing in the new mode.

The only crashes I've experienced were trying to switch from adventurer->fort mode in a hamlet or other non-player-fort site, and trying to switch from fort->adventurer and trying to play as a dwarf that was not previously an adventurer.

One gotcha I found was that player forts embarked on top of a pre-existing lair or cave will not work with this method - the game treats them as lairs/caves instead of proper dwarven settlements, and will not allow you to retire adventurers there properly. I assume this is also true for any preexisting features such as shrines (or if you are using Embark Anywhere, embarking on existing hamlets or towns).

Note that from the main menu, you can reclaim the site as normal, and any retired adventurers are still available for future play (even if the adventurer is currently a citizen of a fort, as long as you properly "retire" away from the fort first).

Title: Re: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home
Post by: Eric Blank on April 08, 2011, 02:34:29 am

Alright, this needs a bit of a translation...

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

1. Install both DFhack and Runesmith. Clear enough. Wish runesmith/therapist were updated for .25 though... You should list a download for DFusion, it's not included in either of those and necessary for step 4, according to your directions

2!?!  Create fort/home and adventurer previously? Which one/what should be loaded to begin with? When do we transition, if we do?

2? or 3? Use either DFusion or DFlair to remove scatting tiles. What are scatting tiles? Scattering? of items?
DFLair is packaged with DFHack, but you should probably explain where to find/how to use DFusion a little, as it's apparently in neither the DFHack or Runesmith threads, at least on the front page. I do have it separately, so I suppose I'll read the readme again now to understand how it works, but a simple explanation as you did with DFmode would be the polite thing to do.

3. So at this point there should be a fort embarked upon and we should be building to our desire, correct?

4. Again, need to read up, and again a short, sweet expansion of directions here would be nice. I probably need to update it or something.

5. Simple enough, this is in the DFHack folder.

6. So the adventurer and fort both need to have existed previously?

7. Standard action after death.

8. Alright, so the adventurer isn't actually dead? You use dfmode to take him to the site, then retire, go back into fort mode, and use DFusion to remove the 'Is Resident' tag, and change civ number to be identical to that of your dwarves.

9. esc on the game or on DFusion?

10. save game, reload game, check that adventurer is controllable. At this point are we in adventure mode or fort mode again? So we should be able to control them as with our dwarves? The adventurer should of course have their race's default character and not the adventurer's standard @. Puncuation may be necessary. "if they have a @ then go repeat 8."+"doing it correctly this time".

All a little unclear what is done where from what mode... Also, if your adventurer is a different race than that of the fort's creators will it affect your ability to control them in fort mode after changing their civ? Their ability to receive health care?

All in all this is a great thing you're doing, teaching us how to use these to provide adventurer hospital care/pure enjoyment from these utilities, I just don't understand any of it so far.


Some things I'm interested in that are related in some way, and explained here to some degree:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

-I want to ensure that a fort exists as a mountainhome as it would had Toady implemented abandonment without becoming a ruin.
-Rearming my companions, especially those damnable archers (useful for a few minutes, but sadly not disposable/replaceable enough) and guys that lose a hand and their shield/weapon.
-Training up the companions since they're now so near impossible to find, and even harder to replace. (it's actually best to recruit bandits from near one civ and travel across the world to where they aren't criminals.)
-Giving crutches where needed so the cripples can keep up (the cripples are always the badass ones that will last longer than you!)
-Upgrading my adventurer's and my companions' armor. I suppose modding the human/whatever else civs to be playable in fort mode is necessary here to produce said armor.
-Stockpiling all my goods from my adventurer.
-Using the adventurer to transport goods between (living or otherwise) fortresses. A free mini-caravan so to speak.
-Maybe advice on producing dwarves suitable as companions. I can find dwarves from abandoned forts that are willing to tag along, but it isn't a guarantee they will.
-Help convincing those archers, if possible, to carry far more ammunition. One stack of 30 just doesn't cut it.

Damn you ninjas!

Title: Re: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home
Post by: Yoink on April 08, 2011, 05:05:33 am

Posting to watch... I need some more instructions too. I R not smert. :'(

Title: Re: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home
Post by: Rumrusher on April 08, 2011, 12:29:57 pm

oh there also the fact of using Nano fort with this will resize the area at first then shrink field down to the original size.

Quote from: Eric Blank on April 08, 2011, 02:34:29 am

Alright, this needs a bit of a translation...

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

1. Install both DFhack and Runesmith. Clear enough. Wish runesmith/therapist were updated for .25 though... You should list a download for DFusion, it's not included in either of those and necessary for step 4, according to your directions

2!?!  Create fort/home and adventurer previously? Which one/what should be loaded to begin with? When do we transition, if we do?

2? or 3? Use either DFusion or DFlair to remove scatting tiles. What are scatting tiles? Scattering? of items?
DFLair is packaged with DFHack, but you should probably explain where to find/how to use DFusion a little, as it's apparently in neither the DFHack or Runesmith threads, at least on the front page. I do have it separately, so I suppose I'll read the readme again now to understand how it works, but a simple explanation as you did with DFmode would be the polite thing to do.

3. So at this point there should be a fort embarked upon and we should be building to our desire, correct?

4. Again, need to read up, and again a short, sweet expansion of directions here would be nice. I probably need to update it or something.

5. Simple enough, this is in the DFHack folder.

6. So the adventurer and fort both need to have existed previously? well just the fort the adventurer has to has to come from the same civ the first settlers are or the game won't recognize the person. which is as easy as selecting the same mountain home or using Runesmith to change the Civ number

7. Standard action after death.

8. Alright, so the adventurer isn't actually dead? You use dfmode to take him to the site, then retire, go back into fort mode, and use DFusion to remove the 'Is Resident' tag, and change civ number to be identical to that of your dwarves.uhh your right up to "then retire" you use Dfmode to transfer between adventure and fort mode for the adventurer and you only retire the Adv. when A) you looking to move out B) bring in another adventurer. but you got the rest right

9. esc on the game or on DFusion?the game

10. save game, reload game, check that adventurer is controllable. At this point are we in adventure mode or fort mode again?fort mode So we should be able to control them as with our dwarves?yes but it would be a hermit play-through until you remove the Is resident tag on the others The adventurer should of course have their race's default character and not the adventurer's standard @(if that happens then use Dfusion friendship to get them to work). Puncuation may be necessary. "if they have a @ then go repeat 8."+"doing it correctly this time".if they appear to be not of your fort and friendly then repeat 8 if it doesn't work post your situation and we will try to fix it.

All a little unclear what is done where from what mode... Also, if your adventurer is a different race than that of the fort's creators will it affect your ability to control them in fort mode after changing their civ? Their ability to receive health care?

All in all this is a great thing you're doing, teaching us how to use these to provide adventurer hospital care/pure enjoyment from these utilities, I just don't understand any of it so far.


Some things I'm interested in that are related in some way, and explained here to some degree:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

-I want to ensure that a fort exists as a mountainhome as it would had Toady implemented abandonment without becoming a ruin. thank Langdon for the retiring part.
-Rearming my companions, especially those damnable archers (useful for a few minutes, but sadly not disposable/replaceable enough) and guys that lose a hand and their shield/weapon.swap to and suit up in adventurer mode or have them appart of the military
-Training up the companions since they're now so near impossible to find, and even harder to replace. (it's actually best to recruit bandits from near one civ and travel across the world to where they aren't criminals.)Migrants are easier where bandits might be enemies of the civ your on though I haven't tested what if you change a bandit camp into a players fort
-Giving crutches where needed so the cripples can keep up (the cripples are always the badass ones that will last longer than you!)yes
-Upgrading my adventurer's and my companions' armor. I suppose modding the human/whatever else civs to be playable in fort mode is necessary here to produce said armor. true or you could just go on bandit raids with the army you building up and
-Stockpiling all my goods from my adventurer. before Dfmode I was working on figuring out how Lairs tick and found out that toady uses a flag that tracks the items in the area when the adventurer leaves you can apply the stuff which is 14-blood in tweak all over the fort or in a section for stockpiling.
-Using the adventurer to transport goods between (living or otherwise) fortresses. A free mini-caravan so to speak. Wagon mode on a random tame critter and bring your Traders."
-Maybe advice on producing dwarves suitable as companions. I can find dwarves from abandoned forts that are willing to tag along, but it isn't a guarantee they will. Dfusion has an answer to that since it has a force companion command you could apply on the stubborn ones you can use the command while in fort mode just make sure to apply .
-Help convincing those archers, if possible, to carry far more ammunition. One stack of 30 just doesn't cut it.in adventurer mode swap to them using Dfusion and make them pick up the extra ammo

Damn you Human Bogeymen!

hope this helps.

few things preventing me from being all swap happy is the pets animal issue so far the only way to keep them alive is to bring them with you on the journey and to make sure their the same civ as you before swapping to adventure mode(due to I guess the animal still mark as a tame wild in adventure mode and the game doesn't make them hold back leading to companions killing them or wide spread chaos of having caught tame creatures being next to migrant/merchant bought animals fighting each other and murdering dwarfs)."Recruit and Civ realign your pets before going out."

welp welcome to SimDorf (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMZduvheCY8)

Title: Re: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home
Post by: Vorthon on April 08, 2011, 12:48:06 pm

Posting to watch.

Title: Re: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home
Post by: Langdon on April 08, 2011, 09:34:07 pm

My original "retire a fort" method was posted in the DFusion thread in the modding forum here: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69682.msg2103316#msg2103316

to repeat:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Quote from: Langdon on March 22, 2011, 10:31:04 pm

Ok, from various notes from Askot and Rumrusher, I have successfully "retired" my fortress - and it doesn't seem to have any bugs so far:

What I did:

1) used DFusion tools->"prevent items from scattering" function to "fix" parts of my fortress (basically moved the cursor over every floor, using "protect block around cursor" because I couldn't find a way to find the x y coordinates).

2) ran DFHack's dfmode, selected Adventure Mode, Direct Control

The screen will go black at this point, hiding most of the map.

3) used DFusion tools->Change Adventurer, selected a dead goblin (one of the hundreds in my refuse pile). I selected a goblin because my dwarves had scrolled off the top of my cmd window, but any dead entity will do.

4) without closing DFusion (i.e. pressing enter) go back to the fortress, ESC and save game.

5) Quit DF, restart it and reload. You will now be in adventure mode, possessing a dead goblin. It will now say "You are deceased."

6) Finish out to the main menu

7) Start a new adventurer, visit your old fortress to verify

The old fortress still has its old dwarves, and they act like normal townspeople (answer correctly to "Surroundings", which means they consider the fortress their home). I couldn't recruit my old militia, I guess due to insufficient fame, but was able to recruit a weaponsmith and a bowyer.

What's more, the fortress acts like normal game Mountain Hall, and I can retire my adventurer there.

Still have to test a bunch of stuff (reclaming, etc) but so far it looks like it's working correctly for adventure mode.

Edit: pets seem to be dead (can't find any alive) although the merchant caravan's animals are still alive and wandering about. I guess I have to stuff them in cages and use Runesmith to remove the tame flag before switching over.

Rumrusher has been playing with swapping modes the other way (adventure->fort). Following his instructions, I move an adventurer to a previous embark site, then using dfmode switch to fort mode (the "0 1" part of his instructions). It has to be a previous embark site, because otherwise something doesn't get initialized properly, and the fort will "wither away" after a set amount of time.

For more information, see the DFusion and DFHack threads in the Modding forums (specifically Darius, Rumrusher and Askot).

Quote from: Eric Blank on April 08, 2011, 02:34:29 am

Alright, this needs a bit of a translation...

1. Install both DFhack and Runesmith. Clear enough. Wish runesmith/therapist were updated for .25 though... You should list a download for DFusion, it's not included in either of those and necessary for step 4, according to your directions

See my link above. Also, Therapist will auto-update when it detects .25, works on my game. Runesmith is sorta usable with .25, if you copy over the new memory xml from the latest version of DFHack.

Quote from: Eric Blank on April 08, 2011, 02:34:29 am

2!?!  Create fort/home and adventurer previously? Which one/what should be loaded to begin with? When do we transition, if we do?

I believe he means "create a small fort in Fortress mode" then use my retire method above to create an adventurer in the same world.

Quote from: Eric Blank on April 08, 2011, 02:34:29 am

2? or 3? Use either DFusion or DFlair to remove scatting tiles. What are scatting tiles? Scattering? of items?
DFLair is packaged with DFHack, but you should probably explain where to find/how to use DFusion a little, as it's apparently in neither the DFHack or Runesmith threads, at least on the front page. I do have it separately, so I suppose I'll read the readme again now to understand how it works, but a simple explanation as you did with DFmode would be the polite thing to do.

He refers to the "Prevent Items from Scattering" function of DFusion, which is needed if you want to use the site as an adventurer base (so items you place will not disappear/scatter like on abandon or in a bandit camp)

Quote from: Eric Blank on April 08, 2011, 02:34:29 am

3. So at this point there should be a fort embarked upon and we should be building to our desire, correct?

By "finish up" I think he means make and store any items you want your adventurer to have (steel armor/weapons, crutches, etc).

Making a hospital may be needed for future adventurer use.

Quote from: Eric Blank on April 08, 2011, 02:34:29 am

4. Again, need to read up, and again a short, sweet expansion of directions here would be nice. I probably need to update it or something.

Here he is referring to my method posted above - swap to adventure mode, then use DFusion to swap into another body -  a dead body such as a goblin or previously butchered animal.

Save adventure mode, and once you load the game, adventure mode will display "you are deceased" properly, and you'll go back to the Main menu in a proper "Start Playing" state.

Quote from: Eric Blank on April 08, 2011, 02:34:29 am

6. So the adventurer and fort both need to have existed previously?

The fort needs to exist previously, but you can spawn as many new adventurers as you want (as long as you retire/abandon or whatever to get back to the "Start Playing" state). You can haul multiple adventurers to the fort and then reclaim (what I usually do) or use dfmode to go back to fort mode (as Rumrusher says).

Quote from: Eric Blank on April 08, 2011, 02:34:29 am

7. Standard action after death.

Again, I believe he's talking about my "swap to a dead entity" trick in order to go safely from fort to adventure mode.

Quote from: Eric Blank on April 08, 2011, 02:34:29 am

8. Alright, so the adventurer isn't actually dead? You use dfmode to take him to the site, then retire, go back into fort mode, and use DFusion to remove the 'Is Resident' tag, and change civ number to be identical to that of your dwarves.

At this point, you are at the Start Playing menu, and you make a new adventurer. You spawn, walk to the site.

You will now have a fort with your adventurer and lots of "Friendly" units around (the former residents of the fort). Remove the "Is Resident" flag from the "Friendly" citizens, and change the civ number of your adventurer to be the same civ number as theirs (remember, it's their fort, your adventurer is the visitor).

Quote from: Eric Blank on April 08, 2011, 02:34:29 am

9. esc on the game or on DFusion?

Use dfmode to switch to fort mode, then ESC, save (to make sure it's properly switched over).

This should give you a working fort with all your former dwarves, plus your new adventurer.
You might have to use the "Friendship" function of DFMode if your adventurer isn't a dwarf - for those who haven't used it, "Friendship" allows non-dwarven members of a fort to do tasks (i.e. your tame tigermen can now be useful) although I haven't found a way to get them to do some tasks like join the military or take an administrative position.

Quote from: Eric Blank on April 08, 2011, 02:34:29 am

10. save game, reload game, check that adventurer is controllable. At this point are we in adventure mode or fort mode again? So we should be able to control them as with our dwarves? The adventurer should of course have their race's default character and not the adventurer's standard @. Puncuation may be necessary. "if they have a @ then go repeat 8."+"doing it correctly this time".

At this point you are in dwarf mode. "controllable" means your adventurer is a bonafide member of the fort who can do tasks.

Quote from: Eric Blank on April 08, 2011, 02:34:29 am

Also, if your adventurer is a different race than that of the fort's creators will it affect your ability to control them in fort mode after changing their civ? Their ability to receive health care?

See my note on "Friendship" above. Without friendship, non-dwarven citizens just hang around and chat with each other.

Quote from: Eric Blank on April 08, 2011, 02:34:29 am

Some things I'm interested in that are related in some way, and explained here to some degree:
-I want to ensure that a fort exists as a mountainhome as it would had Toady implemented abandonment without becoming a ruin.

See my "retiring a fort" instructions for this.

Quote from: Eric Blank on April 08, 2011, 02:34:29 am

-Rearming my companions, especially those damnable archers (useful for a few minutes, but sadly not disposable/replaceable enough) and guys that lose a hand and their shield/weapon.
-Giving crutches where needed so the cripples can keep up (the cripples are always the badass ones that will last longer than you!)

Use DFusion to temporarily take control of companions, and have them pick up and equip gear (under tools->Change Adventurer if you can't find it).

Quote from: Eric Blank on April 08, 2011, 02:34:29 am

-Training up the companions since they're now so near impossible to find, and even harder to replace. (it's actually best to recruit bandits from near one civ and travel across the world to where they aren't criminals.)

With proper armor, they actually survive battles now, and train up quickly in combat.

Quote from: Eric Blank on April 08, 2011, 02:34:29 am

-Upgrading my adventurer's and my companions' armor. I suppose modding the human/whatever else civs to be playable in fort mode is necessary here to produce said armor.

Do the fort->adventurer switch to get better armor. Personally I just buy loads of "large" armor pieces off human merchants and store them for later.

Quote from: Eric Blank on April 08, 2011, 02:34:29 am

-Stockpiling all my goods from my adventurer.

The "Prevent items from scattering" function does this.

Quote from: Eric Blank on April 08, 2011, 02:34:29 am

-Using the adventurer to transport goods between (living or otherwise) fortresses. A free mini-caravan so to speak.

You can "retire" multiple fortresses, and reclaim or switch adventurer->fort as needed.

Quote from: Eric Blank on April 08, 2011, 02:34:29 am

-Maybe advice on producing dwarves suitable as companions. I can find dwarves from abandoned forts that are willing to tag along, but it isn't a guarantee they will.

I find my legendary fortress guards almost impossible to recruit, as their stats will usually be far higher than any adventurer wishing to recruit them. Training peasants up is more productive.

Sorry for the Wall 'o Text. If I get any spare time I'll try to write this all up on the wiki.

Heh and I duplicated some things rumrusher mentioned above, sorry dude, didn't click the spoiler tag. :-D

Quote from: Rumrusher on April 08, 2011, 12:29:57 pm

few things preventing me from being all swap happy is the pets animal issue so far the only way to keep them alive is to bring them with you on the journey and to make sure their the same civ as you before swapping to adventure mode

Have you tried making the animals merchants before switching to adventure? I find any merchant caravans on the map will retain the animals in adventure mode. although they might try to leave the map.

Title: Re: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home
Post by: Rumrusher on April 09, 2011, 12:27:35 am

adventure -> fort mode kinda like Reclaiming a fort using your adventurer. Though I may have to see if Dfusion friendship could be used because slapping the tame tag in the current state makes companions starve... something about lack of grass as a food source.

oh while lairs aren't great for retiring(?) There best for having a door/hatch cover free food and if lucky a night creature beast to tame if you succeed in trapping it. Though from experiences Do not leave a fort when hostiles are near by they will just rush in and kill some of the dwarves when you come back then go murder some more until you reach them. Did any one attempt to use burrows?

Title: Re: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home
Post by: Langdon on April 09, 2011, 01:20:17 am

Quote from: Rumrusher on April 09, 2011, 12:27:35 am

Though from experiences Do not leave a fort when hostiles are near by they will just rush in and kill some of the dwarves when you come back then go murder some more until you reach them. Did any one attempt to use burrows?

They don't seem to respect burrows, I find my dwarves all over the map (although mostly wandering around outside the fort, in the center).

I had fort once where I used Runesmith to make caravan guards stay on the map each year (left Friendly status on by not changing them to my civ, just removing the merchant/diplomat tag) until I had an army of Friendly units hanging around at the caravan entry points. I then armed most of my civilians with leather armor+crossbows, then I swapped to adventurer mode.

That was my safest high-security retirement home ever. Also a good place to recruit armed companions (the caravan guards).

Some other things I've found in my current game:

- when switching to fort mode for a while so your adventurer can access medical services, you can just remove isresident on a few dwarves, not your entire fort (i.e. medical dwarf, maybe a farmer/brewer/cook) since you won't be doing any building. It should be pretty safe for your other dwarves if you have invasions off. Switch to fort mode, let the doctors go to work, and switch back to adventure mode.

I haven't tested this on non-dwarven adventurers, though. I'd expect you'll need DFusion Friendship to get your humans/elves healed up.

- if you do have invasions on, "friendly" units will tend to hang out all over your map, and it will be impossible to protect them from attack. It should be fine if you have an excess of civilians, or if you have a mostly-militarized populace - if you have lots of legendary soldiers hanging out at your fort, incoming gobbies don't stand a chance.

- also, be careful which companions you bring to your fortress. I once had an elven adventurer bring a couple of elf peasants in, but forgot that the elf civ was at war with the dwarven civ that owned that fort. Pretty soon I had a massacre on my hands (the dwarves were friendly to me, but my elf companions attacked the dwarves, my human companions attacked the elves, and all hell broke loose).

- for long-lived forts, aging might be a factor for human adventurers. I expect they'll just drop dead of old age once some other adventurer enters the area.

Title: Re: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home
Post by: Rumrusher on April 09, 2011, 06:09:07 pm

Langdon I'm Naming My DF .21 first adventurer born after you for that beautiful post.

hmm from what you say different civ animals will stay on the fort but same civ ones will die.
oh I don't know if it's 21 or a repeated use of DFMODE but talking to someone for a quest caused the game to crash. Though I should just move out of the lair fort and use that as means of exploring hell.
wait I guess since any thing the adventurer has seen is revealed in fort mode I could just bring loads of stone and wood bunch of legendary archers and build a house in hell/caverns under another fort site that hasn't even crack it so we could build a hidden under ground base. Though I don't think they will stay in the underground base if you revisit it I guess from the fact we didn't figure out how to prevent creature scatter.

Title: Re: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home
Post by: Langdon on April 09, 2011, 10:23:02 pm

Quote from: Rumrusher on April 09, 2011, 06:09:07 pm

oh I don't know if it's 21 or a repeated use of DFMODE but talking to someone for a quest caused the game to crash.

I see the bug (http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=4129) here was supposed to be fixed in .21, according to Mantis. If I can duplicate that reliably in a .25 save, I'll put it on the bug tracker.

Edit: on the other hand it might be this bug (http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=4165) which still existed in .21, but was fixed in .22.

I'm actually going to start a .25 game tonight, as most of the tools I use have been updated properly. I just have to finish converting my personal mods.

Title: Re: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home
Post by: Rumrusher on April 10, 2011, 01:57:32 am

so do you guys think the name weapon only happens when a certain kill number is reach in Fort mode and if so could someone take a head of a creature murder 40 people with it then smack a groundhog and get it named?

Title: Re: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on April 10, 2011, 10:44:25 am

Quote from: Rumrusher on April 10, 2011, 01:57:32 am

so do you guys think the name weapon only happens when a certain kill number is reach in Fort mode and if so could someone take a head of a creature murder 40 people with it then smack a groundhog and get it named?

that sounds like a good !!SCIENCE!! project
also, following thread

Title: Re: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home
Post by: Rumrusher on April 10, 2011, 03:39:44 pm

Quote from: Askot Bokbondeler on April 10, 2011, 10:44:25 am

Quote from: Rumrusher on April 10, 2011, 01:57:32 am

so do you guys think the name weapon only happens when a certain kill number is reach in Fort mode and if so could someone take a head of a creature murder 40 people with it then smack a groundhog and get it named?

that sounds like a good !!SCIENCE!! project
also, following thread

shoot I'm more than welcome to have people list new discoveries in the world of Dfmode here. more info the merrier so that we can compile it for Peterix's readme.

Title: Re: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home
Post by: UristMcDwarf on April 10, 2011, 08:16:27 pm

RumRusher,

I love what you do with hacks.

Title: Re: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home
Post by: ral on April 13, 2011, 05:53:30 am

This is cool.

Given that it can be done with hacks, it seems like it would be easy for toady to add this as a supported feature of the game.... Being able to put a fort into some sort of limited "autopilot" instead of abandon would be nice anyway.

Title: Re: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home
Post by: Brisk on April 14, 2011, 02:29:24 pm

th-this has always been my dream. to be able to leave a fort without abandoning it. I love you, man.

Title: Re: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home
Post by: Rumrusher on April 14, 2011, 07:35:07 pm

Quote from: Brisk on April 14, 2011, 02:29:24 pm

th-this has always been my dream. to be able to leave a fort without abandoning it. I love you, man.

well there some issues on doing that best not crack the bottom else you want to come back to corpses. Caverns are a good way to lose members of a fort so either wall up the area or spend a good amount of time searching for that legendary Chef who left to pick up a plumb helmet off map. If you want to keep some members from wandering off best to see if you could recruit them if not then force recruit them.


edit: mega project you could build a fort in the middle of the ocean given that you dump a embark site in the middle of the ocean then go back to there to dry off the land either by using bonfire in a fire proof bag (bonus if the bag can be hold with a non fire proof adventurer) then swap over to fort mode and dig deep or build a above water sea port.

Title: Re: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home
Post by: Cardinal on April 18, 2011, 02:21:50 pm

I asked this over in the DFusion thread and I'll ask here, as well, is there any way to do this and then remove the site from the Reclaim list?

Title: Re: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home
Post by: Rumrusher on April 18, 2011, 07:22:13 pm

Quote from: Cardinal on April 18, 2011, 02:21:50 pm

I asked this over in the DFusion thread and I'll ask here, as well, is there any way to do this and then remove the site from the Reclaim list?

I want to ask why? unless Reclaiming the site causes a bug or a personal problem that people might walk into doing this then I have found a way to do so through it involves the Site changer. if you change the site to something else then find the same thing and swap it to a players fort the game will replace the normal site with the site you swap. (if yo had a player fort swap to a lair then found a lair and swap that to a player fort you could remove the original player fort for the lair.) though removing the thing from the list won't happen. though doing so would just wipe clean both sites on the next reload.

Title: Re: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home
Post by: Cardinal on April 18, 2011, 08:25:27 pm

Quote from: Rumrusher on April 18, 2011, 07:22:13 pm

Quote from: Cardinal on April 18, 2011, 02:21:50 pm

I asked this over in the DFusion thread and I'll ask here, as well, is there any way to do this and then remove the site from the Reclaim list?

I want to ask why? unless Reclaiming the site causes a bug or a personal problem that people might walk into doing this then I have found a way to do so through it involves the Site changer. if you change the site to something else then find the same thing and swap it to a players fort the game will replace the normal site with the site you swap. (if yo had a player fort swap to a lair then found a lair and swap that to a player fort you could remove the original player fort for the lair.) though removing the thing from the list won't happen. though doing so would just wipe clean both sites on the next reload.

It's for an LP where I want to place a few sites that are not reclaimable by later players.

Title: Re: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home
Post by: Rumrusher on April 19, 2011, 12:43:43 am

Quote from: Cardinal on April 18, 2011, 08:25:27 pm

Quote from: Rumrusher on April 18, 2011, 07:22:13 pm

Quote from: Cardinal on April 18, 2011, 02:21:50 pm

I asked this over in the DFusion thread and I'll ask here, as well, is there any way to do this and then remove the site from the Reclaim list?

I want to ask why? unless Reclaiming the site causes a bug or a personal problem that people might walk into doing this then I have found a way to do so through it involves the Site changer. if you change the site to something else then find the same thing and swap it to a players fort the game will replace the normal site with the site you swap. (if yo had a player fort swap to a lair then found a lair and swap that to a player fort you could remove the original player fort for the lair.) though removing the thing from the list won't happen. though doing so would just wipe clean both sites on the next reload.

It's for an LP where I want to place a few sites that are not reclaimable by later players.

maybe try making a site as a different civ then remove the ability to play that civ before you dump the same. I think you could still be able to edit the entity after worldgen.

Title: Re: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home
Post by: darkflagrance on April 21, 2011, 03:09:59 pm

I'm not sure if that will work; I once reclaimed a dwarf fortress with kobolds back in 40d, if I recall correctly.

Title: Re: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home
Post by: Rumrusher on April 22, 2011, 04:53:20 am

Getting ambushed a tile near your fort will lead to your fort members to walk over to join in. so make sure you train them to take on bandits or you might lose a legendary chef in an attempt to save your life.


oh and you could safely walk out a 3x3 site some how my issue on block in walls only happens in a nano fort.

Title: Re: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home
Post by: Rumrusher on May 06, 2011, 05:18:07 pm

updated the original post to include two little fun stuff you can do like armies and under ground forts.

Title: Re: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home
Post by: Fredd on June 05, 2011, 08:45:26 pm

My attempts are turning out quite odd trying to build an adventurer home. Several questions follow.
 In Rumrushers technique
1. Prevent scattering on embark site(Dflair or Fusions anti scatter tool)
2. Build your base
3. Do you abandon now, and send an adventurer to the site to body swap now?
4. Body swap(Change character)How do you determine which entity is dead, to swap with? Langdons technique brought up that question. how do you find it on Dfusions menu?
5. Then go to Dfmode, change to Adventurer/Managing(1/0)
6. Escape, save, quit.
 Here is the major questions. Can you send a previously retired adventurer to the site, or have to create a new one? When you do visit the site, do you also have to change the resident flag for the previous owners. They seem to have resident checked, as well as all the dead tame animals. This means non citizens. Swapping occurred. All old residents, crundles, demons etc are now citizens.Lol
 I found out a good benefit about the dead pets and animals. Seems cavern critters spawned underground to take their place. look in Runesmith, its a hoot. Thanks in advance for any help.
 
 

Title: Re: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home
Post by: Rumrusher on June 05, 2011, 10:27:59 pm

Quote from: Fredd on June 05, 2011, 08:45:26 pm

My attempts are turning out quite odd trying to build an adventurer home. Several questions follow.
 In Rumrushers technique
1. Prevent scattering on embark site(Dflair or Fusions anti scatter tool)
2. Build your base
3. Do you abandon now, and send an adventurer to the site to body swap now?
4. Body swap(Change character)How do you determine which entity is dead, to swap with? Langdons technique brought up that question. how do you find it on Dfusions menu?
5. Then go to Dfmode, change to Adventurer/Managing(1/0)
6. Escape, save, quit.
 Here is the major questions. Can you send a previously retired adventurer to the site, or have to create a new one? When you do visit the site, do you also have to change the resident flag for the previous owners. They seem to have resident checked, as well as all the dead tame animals. This means non citizens. Swapping occurred. All old residents, crundles, demons etc are now citizens.Lol
 I found out a good benefit about the dead pets and animals. Seems cavern critters spawned underground to take their place. look in Runesmith, its a hoot. Thanks in advance for any help.
 

you can send any one previously or new to the site.
 when you visit the site no you don't but if you want to get them to work for you in fort mode yes.


from further testing there a quicker way to retire a fort with less saving.
all you need to do is have a dead body ready, be at the Esc menu
and flip over to adventure mode and direct control which is (1 , 1) once you are there you should see the menu say finish the game you do just that and now you have a retired fort.
I guess the thing was flipping over to adventuremode during a fort mode makes the site a mountain home the issue is that the character your playing can't access the retire ability the adventure from adventure mode can.

Title: Re: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home
Post by: Fredd on June 05, 2011, 11:55:04 pm

Thanks for the help, the new technique sounds promising. Do you realize that you did discover the reason for lack of cavern creatures lately. Pets, and other tamed animals lowers the number of cavern creatures that spawn, least in version 25. When you visit an abandoned fort, Runesmith showed that the amount of dead pets you have are all equal in number to newly created cavern creatures. Also when the flags are swapped when a fort gets abandoned, any tame animals that you bought,captured and tamed, not from your civ are hostile, unless you remove their changed flag(resident), when you change the citizens flag. The dwarves, and pets from their civ gets in fights with pets not of their civilization. End result is all pets/tamed animals dead, and injured /dead dwarves

Title: Re: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home
Post by: Rumrusher on June 06, 2011, 12:19:01 am

Quote from: Fredd on June 05, 2011, 11:55:04 pm

Thanks for the help, the new technique sounds promising. Do you realize that you did discover the reason for lack of cavern creatures lately. Pets, and other tamed animals lowers the number of cavern creatures that spawn, least in version 25. When you visit an abandoned fort, Runesmith showed that the amount of dead pets you have are all equal in number to newly created cavern creatures. Also when the flags are swapped when a fort gets abandoned, any tame animals that you bought,captured and tamed, not from your civ are hostile, unless you remove their changed flag(resident), when you change the citizens flag. The dwarves, and pets from their civ gets in fights with pets not of their civilization. End result is all pets/tamed animals dead, and injured /dead dwarves

uhh that because the tame tag doesn't work in adventure mode and in Adv mode only the Civ will allow the creature to be non hostile. the Capture, tamed creatures with out the bought tag will be class wild and they will attack. bought ones may fall under the embark with/ same civ group(where as they act like idle dwarves but don't talk to you) and if you leave the site they will just die once you come back. Well unless the Bought Civ had a different Civ number than -1 then it would be friendly to the dwarves and to the adventurer unless said adventurer piss off the Civ the animal belong to. the Friendly Civ animals may end up dead from wild animal attacks like you said but most common case is forgetting to remove the same civ and tame tag on pets and coming back to them dead.
the solution to this is using Dfusion to make every tame pet a companion and have some one on base as the designated Shepard so that you don't need to worry about dwarves getting unhappy about missing poodli the cat.

one of the most silent killers is coming back to a fort after losing 7 dwarves only to see your adventurer break down in tears throw a tantrum and go nuts because 5 of them where his friends.

Title: Re: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home
Post by: Fredd on June 06, 2011, 01:00:24 am

Lolololols, poor Poodli, she is in a biscuit now.
 Used your advice, had a problem with the body swap trick. But I found if you just ignore the body swap, you can just go into Dfmode, set it as 1,1 as you said, quit Dfmode, ESCape from DF, which is now in Adventure Mode, give in to starvation, then restart, and go to the fort, they behave like citizens.
 Next is to try making the adventurer a citizen. :o

Title: Re: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home
Post by: Rumrusher on June 06, 2011, 03:46:50 pm

Quote from: Fredd on June 06, 2011, 01:00:24 am

Lolololols, poor Poodli, she is in a biscuit now.
 Used your advice, had a problem with the body swap trick. But I found if you just ignore the body swap, you can just go into Dfmode, set it as 1,1 as you said, quit Dfmode, ESCape from DF, which is now in Adventure Mode, give in to starvation, then restart, and go to the fort, they behave like citizens.
 Next is to try making the adventurer a citizen. :o

Simple walk over, change the civ number to the fort's (which could be done by using the dwarves at site to copy,) remove is resident and check before hand if the adventurer's previous civ isn't evil or has a war issue with the fort other than that any bad jojo you got from other areas doesn't cross over to the fort for the fortress doesn't have many connections to the outside world.
I made group is resident removal commands for Dfusion and posted them in the dfusion thread. Through as of now I'm waiting for Dfusion to get Site changer set so one could insta build a human fortress which will make setting up homes easier. through one of the major ideas using Site changer is to convert other sites and then reclaim them.

Title: Re: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home
Post by: Reelyanoob on June 06, 2011, 05:01:45 pm

Posting to watch.

Title: Re: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home
Post by: Rumrusher on June 06, 2011, 05:10:57 pm

taking over a bandit camp using Dfusion Site changer and retiring the place can be done. being able to build on it not so much. I might want to see if there a way to clean up the site other than using Embark anywhere over the site.

Title: Re: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home
Post by: Fredd on June 08, 2011, 10:02:00 am

 I seem to remember reading if you embark over a lair, wierd things happen. Do you think if you use Dflair to prevent scattering, when you try to make your adventurer a citizen in DF mode, the comp thinks you are on a lair, and starts the withering.
 Perhaps Dfusions tool to prevent scattering would work better, since the fort is not regarded being on a lair.
 The option to assign a area to a grid sounds much better than individually, block by block, or assigning the real slow all map

Title: Re: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home
Post by: Rumrusher on June 08, 2011, 05:46:07 pm

Quote from: Fredd on June 08, 2011, 10:02:00 am

I seem to remember reading if you embark over a lair, wierd things happen. Do you think if you use Dflair to prevent scattering, when you try to make your adventurer a citizen in DF mode, the comp thinks you are on a lair, and starts the withering.
 Perhaps Dfusions tool to prevent scattering would work better, since the fort is not regarded being on a lair.
 The option to assign a area to a grid sounds much better than individually, block by block, or assigning the real slow all map

personal choice would be tweak for 1x1 tile block selecting and Dfusion for it's 16x16 block selection Dflair is too flimsy.

nano embarking over a liar will prevent your fort to normally have access to retiring.

Title: Re: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home
Post by: Qwernt on June 10, 2011, 11:59:32 am

So, I don't adventure at all (tried once early on and couldn't get the hang of it).  But I saw the link to this and think this is WAY cool.  Question: can you put a retired adventure into the military in the fort?  If so, would danger room training your adventure train them faster than adventuring usually does?

Title: Re: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home
Post by: Rumrusher on June 10, 2011, 01:04:50 pm

Quote from: Qwernt on June 10, 2011, 11:59:32 am

So, I don't adventure at all (tried once early on and couldn't get the hang of it).  But I saw the link to this and think this is WAY cool.  Question: can you put a retired adventure into the military in the fort?  If so, would danger room training your adventure train them faster than adventuring usually does?

Yes but you can only go so far as recruit and not a leader of a group, you could just kill off the leader to separate the adventurer from the fortress. Uhh no given that one high level monster kill will boost stats of any character than spending 6 hours dodging wooden sticks, though it's sure is safer.

Title: Re: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home
Post by: stabbymcstabstab on June 10, 2011, 06:44:17 pm

just watching

Title: Re: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home
Post by: Fredd on June 12, 2011, 01:13:26 am

But would building a danger room surrounding a lever work, if you took your companions there, and have a macro that had your adventurer to repeatedly pulling the lever, so that your companions could gain skills? If it did, using change character to outfit your companions also turn them into better soldiers?

Title: Re: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home
Post by: Langdon on June 12, 2011, 02:24:40 am

Quote from: Fredd on June 12, 2011, 01:13:26 am

But would building a danger room surrounding a lever work, if you took your companions there, and have a macro that had your adventurer to repeatedly pulling the lever, so that your companions could gain skills? If it did, using change character to outfit your companions also turn them into better soldiers?

This would be interesting, if it works. One gotcha would be to make sure your companions are fully armored up before pulling the lever, as you won't have access to healthcare to take care of injuries. On the other hand, you can just watch them and fast-travel if they get too bruised up.

Title: Re: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home
Post by: Fredd on June 12, 2011, 10:32:59 am

 They should react the same as soldiers in DF do. Although i wonder if you will need to turn traps on, in init file. But if it works, sheesh, you could develop some good soldiers, or at least give peasant companions basic military skills. Maybe the lever pulling could increase some stats, on the adventurer, also

Title: Re: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home
Post by: stabbymcstabstab on June 12, 2011, 12:41:47 pm

upright spikes dont obey the trapson option in the Init file i tried and apperantly they blame you if they die or are horrible injured  ::) people sometimes

Title: Re: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home
Post by: Rumrusher on June 12, 2011, 03:14:39 pm

Quote from: stabbymcstabstab on June 12, 2011, 12:41:47 pm

upright spikes dont obey the trapson option in the Init file i tried and apperantly they blame you if they die or are horrible injured  ::) people sometimes

looks like toady assign blame to trap pulls, maybe go with a pressure plate system?

Title: Re: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home
Post by: Fredd on June 16, 2011, 01:58:42 pm

How exactly do use the 16x16 option in Dfusion. It has all(very obvious), block around pointer?, and range(x0,y0,z0,x1,y1,z1) < big confusion. Tried asking in mode section, but was onfused even further.Posted it here, since Adv Mode players have used it.

Title: Re: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home
Post by: Rumrusher on June 16, 2011, 05:34:48 pm

Quote from: Fredd on June 16, 2011, 01:58:42 pm

How exactly do use the 16x16 option in Dfusion. It has all(very obvious), block around pointer?, and range(x0,y0,z0,x1,y1,z1) < big confusion. Tried asking in mode section, but was onfused even further.Posted it here, since Adv Mode players have used it.

it's 16 by 16 on a grid of that size so if you use the one block in the area and it saids 5,3 then move down one and it saids 5,4 this means the pointer was on the bottom part of 5,3 16 by 16 size and your on the bottom half.

it's tricky but play around with dfliquids and it's block mode to get the feel of grid placement.

Title: Re: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home
Post by: Langdon on June 17, 2011, 01:03:37 am

About 16x16 blocks:

Each block is one square on the world map at embark.

Disregarding the z-axis for the moment, 0,0 is the uppermost, leftmost block, 0,1 is the block to the right of that, and so forth.

On a 2x2 embark, we have four blocks:
|-----------|
| 0,0 | 1,0 |
|-----------|
| 0,1 | 1,1 |
|-----------|

on a 3x3 embark we have nine blocks:
|-----------------|
| 0,0 | 1,0 | 2,0 |
|-----------------|
| 0,1 | 1,1 | 2,1 |
|-----------------|
| 0,2 | 1,2 | 2,2 |
|-----------------|

and so forth for bigger embarks.

By "block around cursor" DFusion means a particular block in this grid your cursor happens to fall in (it's not a 16x16 block centered on the cursor, as you might think). If your cursor was 14x14 tiles from the upper left corner, it will still select the 0,0 16x16 block, because it falls within the boundaries of the 0,0 block.

For the z-axis, topmost sky z-layer is 0, increasing as you go lower.

Title: Re: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home
Post by: Qinetix on July 01, 2011, 12:37:26 pm

Does this work with Genesis mod?

Title: Re: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home
Post by: Rumrusher on July 01, 2011, 05:59:53 pm

I don't see why not, I'm playing around with genesis for the large amount of creatures and added adventure mode content plus the chop logs saves time for cases of embarking in a tree less zone.

Title: Re: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home
Post by: Qinetix on July 01, 2011, 11:37:40 pm

I'll try it then.

Title: Re: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home
Post by: micha on July 06, 2011, 06:45:03 am

ok, i made an adventurer, leveled him up a bit and retired him.
then i built a fort on which i pressed esc and ran dfmode 1 1.
at this point the game simply saved itself and i was back to start playing.

from how i read this thread it wasn't supposed to happen quite like this, but i thought, what the heck.. i have .25 and the latest of the tools mentioned here. (oddly though, in dffusion it mentions a missing patterns2.lua, so i put '-- ' in front of the line referencing it in itempatterns.lua)

now i pulled my adventurer .. an actual dwarf! (only the 2nd or so time i had gotten the option to make a dwarf adventurer) out of retirement and proceeded to my site full of anticipation!

and yes! i was able to talk to the first guy i found for what seemed like hours and he was only to happy to tell me about the area in great detail. that was so cool.  everyone seemed to be alive as well. the animals were dead, but ok.

but things went downhill from here.

i could not get adventure changer to work and on running runesmith found that the flags of my original residents were not equal to each other. the folks that had been running around on the surface had different combinations than the ones that had stayed below.  so i made them all the same, changed my adventurer to the same set and retired the fort from the menu (maybe. i did so much experimenting, i'm not sure right now)

on reclaiming my fort i found my adventurer and all but 2 of the original dwarves at the old site. i twiddled the flags in runesmith and now everyone can do work .. but only the new crew of 7 can act as nobles or lead squads.

plus all the stockpile assignments are gone. everything was forbidden and only the item-'d'ump and area designations (pasture/hospital/etc) were left.

since everything's more or less running now i'm not too disappointed with the results so far but i'm truly stuck about how to 'do it right' ... and about what to expect.

... how could i wind up with a dffusion (3.4 from dffd) in which adventure changer (or anything else pretty much) does not work? (it mentions no problems on startup since i -- commented out the reference to the missing patterns2)

... when it works for you, do you still loose the stock-pile designations?
 (i used dflair on the fort)

... when it works for you, do some of your original dwarfs still die of starvation while you are travelling to the fort? ... do they die of hunger while you later play as an adventurer?

... if i locked or walled in the animals and made them merchants like someone suggested, would they stay alive?

... does machinery keep running?  do pressure plate one-way paths still work.. so i can use them to keep ppl inside the fort ...

that's a lot of questions but maybe someone can help me with the important ones. thanks!

Title: Re: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home
Post by: em312s0n on July 06, 2011, 06:55:30 am

so does this mean i could hatch that stolen roc egg?

EDIT: looked through the wiki and found that you need female egg laying creatures for the egg to hatch... nvm

Title: Re: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home
Post by: Rumrusher on July 06, 2011, 03:15:52 pm

yeah as of now you can unless you have a tamed female that laid eggs in a nest or found a way to stick eggs into a nest building.

Title: Re: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home
Post by: Kaelem Gaen on July 24, 2011, 02:39:24 pm

The game seems to crash everytime I try to change the adventurer, I'm using DFusion 3.8...  did he change how the change adventurer bit worked?  I did all the steps ahead first  (DFlair with DF hack, DF mode change)  but when I try to use DF Fusion to change my adventurer it says "Creature not found" and then Dwarf Fortress crashes (31.25)

Erm, also how do you avoid the settlement crumbling to dust, what mistake did I make?

Title: Re: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home
Post by: Rumrusher on July 24, 2011, 03:21:11 pm

Quote from: Kaelem Gaen on July 24, 2011, 02:39:24 pm

The game seems to crash everytime I try to change the adventurer, I'm using DFusion 3.8...  did he change how the change adventurer bit worked?  I did all the steps ahead first  (DFlair with DF hack, DF mode change)  but when I try to use DF Fusion to change my adventurer it says "Creature not found" and then Dwarf Fortress crashes (31.25)

Erm, also how do you avoid the settlement crumbling to dust, what mistake did I make?

hmm so do you have the pointer on the character you want to play?(you could set up the adventurer while in Fort mode)
and I don't use DFlair mostly for I'm getting info that it causing people issues(I just use DFusion's prevent scatter).
Oh and to avoid the settlement from crumbling you have to remove the "is resident flag" on a member of the fort so the game will see that there someone around and won't just Crumble.
you can do this by either runesmith or editing the plugin in ADv tools folder and adding a function that either looks for members of the fort and removes the is resident flag.

Title: Re: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home
Post by: Kaelem Gaen on July 24, 2011, 03:36:26 pm

Ah which removes "is Resident"   checking the box or unchecking the box, cause in runesmith my adventurer had the box unchecked .. (probably coulda checked to see if the rest had it checked or not)  so I checked it.    And no it was doing Fortress first (The adventurer was retired at a retirable ghost Fortress next door)   I did the quick retire the 3rd time trying it for the fortress though.


So in summation:
- Unsure what constitutes as having removed the Is Resident flag
- The Fortress was built (well house) and my Adventure-to-become-res was next door at a Human Fortress that was ghostly but retireable in (it was empty but I could still retire at it)
- 3rd Time I did the quick retire  (Esc mode,  DFmode 1 1, Give In to Starvation)
- On the not quick version, I did not have any creature selected (I assume that means using v or k? or k over the corpse?)

Title: Re: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home
Post by: Rumrusher on July 24, 2011, 03:48:26 pm

Quote from: Kaelem Gaen on July 24, 2011, 03:36:26 pm

Ah which removes "is Resident"   checking the box or unchecking the box, cause in runesmith my adventurer had the box unchecked .. (probably coulda checked to see if the rest had it checked or not)  so I checked it.    And no it was doing Fortress first (The adventurer was retired at a retirable ghost Fortress next door)   I did the quick retire the 3rd time trying it for the fortress though.


So in summation:
- Unsure what constitutes as having removed the Is Resident flag
- The Fortress was built (well house) and my Adventure-to-become-res was next door at a Human Fortress that was ghostly but retireable in (it was empty but I could still retire at it)
- 3rd Time I did the quick retire  (Esc mode,  DFmode 1 1, Give In to Starvation)
- On the not quick version, I did not have any creature selected (I assume that means using v or k? or k over the corpse?)

well better have someone alive at the fort, I'm assuming you walk over to the fortress you recently retired and flip over to fort mode.
to remove is resident you have to check it off, if the adventurer has it off then all you need to do is change the civ number to the one of the local fort members(the ones before retiring)
if the adventurer is the same race you can successfully have control over him/her, though you might want to check the unit screen to see if it works(if the character you remove the flag doesn't have the title Friendly on then it works.).

Title: Re: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home
Post by: Kaelem Gaen on July 24, 2011, 03:54:25 pm

Ah alright thank you!

Title: Re: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home
Post by: Kaelem Gaen on August 15, 2011, 05:03:42 am

I know double postage but I think it's  been a bit since i last talked in this thread, aye it has.


Is the process going to be slightly different now that DFusion is part of DFhack?

Title: Re: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home
Post by: Rumrusher on August 15, 2011, 07:08:57 am

Quote from: Kaelem Gaen on August 15, 2011, 05:03:42 am

I know double postage but I think it's  been a bit since i last talked in this thread, aye it has.


Is the process going to be slightly different now that DFusion is part of DFhack?

yes very in fact in my emotional state from using the new Dfusion I say as of now avoid until we get that Freeze issue fixed.
but really most of the stuff you can do in Runesmith the only slow up would be getting companions/flipping to an animal which now hard as balls given that you have to look through a list that cuts off creatures once it past 400 and some of those creatures don't have names and the number list comes up as "g" meaning you have to physically count the order their in.
yeah it's really buggy infact.

Title: Re: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home
Post by: lastofthelight on August 18, 2011, 10:03:46 am

Thank you for all this information.

Title: Re: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home
Post by: Rumrusher on October 28, 2011, 12:30:47 pm

okay DFhack's Dfusion now runs smoother than last version but missing flags, though it gain the ability to set up functions to run in real time so one can set up swapping to Adventure mode to grab every one who apart of the site as a companion and go on a large journey add/or set up zombies.

edit: Woo Interactions and spells mean more time to send armies to necro towers.

Title: Re: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home v.2
Post by: nighzmarquls on August 10, 2012, 10:28:23 pm

RISE FROM YOUR GRAVE...

Has anyone done much SCIENCE with this and the newest version's historical migrants?

Or how it interacts with returning to an adventurer after they retire in an old fortress?

I'm considering trying it when I finish my latest fortress but concerned it might completely screw over the world I do it in.

Title: Re: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home v.2
Post by: Rumrusher on August 10, 2012, 10:48:25 pm

Well nothing has changed out side of you could end up getting migrated to another fort if you retire in your old home. You won't screw over your world over if you do this.

Title: Re: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home v.2
Post by: Caprealis on October 03, 2012, 02:45:44 pm

Is there a way to do this in the current 34.11?
Or do I need to go back to 31.25?

Title: Re: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home v.2
Post by: Rumrusher on October 03, 2012, 06:08:11 pm

you can.

Title: Re: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home v.2
Post by: Caprealis on October 03, 2012, 06:31:48 pm

Is there a guide to set it up?..

I can't seem to get the lua or dfusion to do anything.

Title: Re: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home v.2
Post by: Rumrusher on October 03, 2012, 06:44:36 pm

Well dfusion is combined into dfhack so if you want Dfusion you need dfhack.

Title: Re: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home v.2
Post by: Caprealis on October 03, 2012, 09:35:58 pm

I figured it out.. I think,
My dfusion was not listing any tools, And gave me a bunch of errors.. So I
re-installed dfhack

Im now stuck between instructions 7-10

Title: Re: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home v.2
Post by: Rumrusher on October 04, 2012, 06:14:36 pm

Quote from: Caprealis on October 03, 2012, 09:35:58 pm

I figured it out.. I think,
My dfusion was not listing any tools, And gave me a bunch of errors.. So I
re-installed dfhack

Im now stuck between instructions 7-10

if you have a historical unit then you can retire them in the site than having to end the game.
Though this also means they technically are an adventurer and you already made a home for him/her/it.

Title: Re: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home v.2
Post by: Eric Blank on October 04, 2012, 10:26:37 pm

I have a question not entirely related to retirement: do you know of any way to force quest targets to show up for you? I have a quest target in the sewers, but as per usual she apparently is a figment of everyone's imagination and thus doesn't actually show up anywhere. I need to finish this quest, because it's from a lady who won't give me another quest until after this vampiress is dead.

Title: Re: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home v.2
Post by: Caprealis on October 05, 2012, 01:46:26 pm

I think I almost have it, But I end up loosing all my people every time I swap modes.

Title: Re: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home v.2
Post by: Rumrusher on October 05, 2012, 04:27:37 pm

Quote from: Caprealis on October 05, 2012, 01:46:26 pm

I think I almost have it, But I end up loosing all my people every time I swap modes.

You need to make sure to remove the 'resident' flag on them before switching back to fort mode(or while paused remove it).

Title: Re: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home v.2
Post by: Caprealis on October 06, 2012, 02:00:22 am

How would I do that?.. Is it one of the commands in Dfusion?

Title: Re: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home v.2
Post by: Rumrusher on October 06, 2012, 02:28:16 am

Quote from: Caprealis on October 06, 2012, 02:00:22 am

How would I do that?.. Is it one of the commands in Dfusion?

Uhh yes and no, you have to make a script to do that.
Good news is that warmist made a in-game editor for dfhack which if you select the unit will allow you(some) access to all their stats one in which is their flags.

Title: Re: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home v.2
Post by: Caprealis on October 06, 2012, 11:44:00 am

Can you link that to me sir?. Also do you have a example script?.

Title: Re: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home v.2
Post by: Iä! RIAKTOR! on January 06, 2021, 11:39:19 pm

Needs this thread an update?

Title: Re: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home v.2
Post by: Rumrusher on January 07, 2021, 04:39:43 am

really have no clue how to update this for 2021.
like last I remember of Switching modes I had to do a bunch of tests and data changes to even prevent the game from crashing... and I didn't really map out or make a script to solve that.
also this is like predates advfort and going by the thread updates predates vanilla retiring.
it's been like 10 years since I made this thread.

Title: Re: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home v.2
Post by: Iä! RIAKTOR! on January 23, 2021, 02:54:29 pm

Quote from: Rumrusher on January 07, 2021, 04:39:43 am

really have no clue how to update this for 2021.
like last I remember of Switching modes I had to do a bunch of tests and data changes to even prevent the game from crashing... and I didn't really map out or make a script to solve that.
also this is like predates advfort and going by the thread updates predates vanilla retiring.
it's been like 10 years since I made this thread.

Do you know dfhack scripting that change site type?

Title: Re: Pick and Axe : building and living in a home v.3
Post by: Rumrusher on January 24, 2021, 04:14:38 am

Quote from: Iä! RIAKTOR! on January 23, 2021, 02:54:29 pm

Quote from: Rumrusher on January 07, 2021, 04:39:43 am

really have no clue how to update this for 2021.
like last I remember of Switching modes I had to do a bunch of tests and data changes to even prevent the game from crashing... and I didn't really map out or make a script to solve that.
also this is like predates advfort and going by the thread updates predates vanilla retiring.
it's been like 10 years since I made this thread.

Do you know dfhack scripting that change site type?

well it's more this thread kind of became a tad obsolete, like if I have to update the thread it would probably be

"well toady made it so it's less struggles to retire a fort and retire an adventurer given advcamps exist and one could retire in a retired fort now."

edit 5/29/2022: hey decided to update the thread since while it's a bit obsolete it's probably best be used as means to cover what made it obsolete there's more written in the v.3 update than what I wrote above. hopefully the folks who PTW this thread all those years ago now get an update that covers the 10+ year gap.