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Title: Vengeful Mafia 14 - End: Death to the colony (scum win)
Post by: Superdorf on February 18, 2021, 04:32:03 pm
Thanks to 4maskwolf (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=177868.msg8234336#msg8234336) for the OP structure!

Welcome to Vengeful Mafia 14. This is a 5 player, nightless variant; the roles consist of 3 town, and two mafia, one of whom is a flagbearer.

Vengeful Mafia is named for its distinctive mechanic, the vengekill! If a town player is lynched on Day 1, they get to use a kill action on one other player. If they kill a fellow townie, the mafia win. If they kill a mafia player, the game continues into Day 2.

The town win by eliminating both mafia players, but if they lynch the flagbearer, they win immediately.

The mafia win if they equal or outnumber the town, and the town have no vengekill remaining.

Rules

Days will last 72 hours; no extensions will be allowed. Weekends will count half-time.

Hammers are in effect! The day will end immediately if any player receives half the total votes, plus 1, rounded down. The thread is considered to be locked immediately after the casting of the hammervote, and should not be posted in until the next Day.

I'll be seeing personally to each Day's end, so I can toss up the game flavor and such-- send your vengekill choice by PM, please.

To avoid a deadlock, any tied lynch votes at a deadline will result in the the mafia team choosing who gets to be lynched in their quicktopic.

Mafia players will have a dedicated quicktopic to discuss their nefarious plans away from prying eyes.

Signup preference will be given to those not currently alive in an ongoing game.  All signups by those in an active game will be entered, space permitting, 24 hours after signups open.


Spoiler: Role PMs (click to show/hide)

Players:
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - Signups (0/5)
Post by: TricMagic on February 18, 2021, 05:22:02 pm
In. Would help me in this.
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - Signups (1/5)
Post by: Luckyowl on February 18, 2021, 05:54:52 pm
*flip a coin*
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - Signups (2/5)
Post by: Secretdorf on February 19, 2021, 07:42:47 am
IN. I have always wanted to play one of this.
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - Signups (3/5)
Post by: BluarianKnight on February 20, 2021, 11:15:38 am
Haven't done a B12 mafia game before - albeit I've done plenty of deduction sorts, plus a decent bit of research.

If that's alright, In.
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - Signups (3/5)
Post by: Yellow Pixel on February 20, 2021, 12:12:35 pm
I also haven't done a B12 mafia game before. But I'm IN!

Maybe the luck of the beginners will come into play?
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - Signups (5/5)
Post by: Superdorf on February 20, 2021, 01:12:37 pm
Awesome, that's a full roster! The game will begin at around 16:00 EST.

I'll try and call in a couple ICs, since we've got new people playing.
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - Day 1: Broken branches
Post by: Superdorf on February 20, 2021, 04:09:07 pm
- - -
(https://imgur.com/Im7QGqj.png)
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Ęther wood. Directionless, many-limbed, the feathered clusters of lavender branches drift for centuries through the life-giving cosmos. Raw ęther they suck, world-essence, and in this way provide sustenance for the creeping colonies that fill their hollows.

(Peace to the colony. Long life to the colony.)

Somewhere in the endless ęther, an ancient complex of protozoic wood drifts tainted and holed from the storm that broke it. Garbled magic sparks off its tattered feathers, residue from the turmoil; long gashes and breaks mar the wood's surface, revealing the stricken tunnels within.

In the tunneled places of this dendritic wreck, five battered lumps of spore tissue rouse themselves from the corpses of their fellows. Slowly, painfully they shuffle to the core of their home, repairing themselves from scraps of dead flesh along the way.

The mushroom people gather in circle, and pause: they regard each other; they taste of the air. They trade words in their own language, halting at first and replete with formality.


"There is abomination here," says one.
"Its voice was well heard," says another.
"It came in the storm," says the third.
"It must not remain," says the fourth.
"There is only one recourse", says the last.

Well the mushroom people know it. Only by death and the tasting of mind-flesh, can an abomination be revealed.



Quote from: Votecount
BluarianKnight - N/A
Luckyowl - N/A
Secretdorf - N/A
TricMagic - N/A
Yellow Pixel - N/A

Not voting (5) - BluarianKnight, Luckyowl, Secretdorf, TricMagic, Yellow Pixel
Three votes to hammer.

It is now Day 1. The Day will end at 12:00 AM (EST), on the 23rd of February.
All role PMs are now available in the OP for perusal.
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - Day 1
Post by: TricMagic on February 20, 2021, 04:19:43 pm
TricMagic  8)
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - Day 1: Broken branches
Post by: BluarianKnight on February 20, 2021, 05:05:18 pm
TricMagic - If you were scum, who would you prefer to be teamed with, and why?
LuckyPixel - Out of everyone, who do you think would be the scariest as scum?
Secretdorf - Do you think you being almost identical to the mod grants you superpowers? In seriousness, what do you think of LuckyMagic?
LuckyMagic - The same question as SecretDorf, but for Tric - if you've played with him, what do you think of his playstyle?
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - Day 1: Broken branches
Post by: TricMagic on February 20, 2021, 05:17:26 pm
TricMagic - If you were scum, who would you prefer to be teamed with, and why?
LuckyPixel - Out of everyone, who do you think would be the scariest as scum?
Secretdorf - Do you think you being almost identical to the mod grants you superpowers? In seriousness, what do you think of LuckyMagic?
LuckyMagic - The same question as SecretDorf, but for Tric - if you've played with him, what do you think of his playstyle?

An interesting trick, but I'm the TricMagic around here. Why did you not comment on my self-vote at all?
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - Day 1: Broken branches
Post by: BluarianKnight on February 20, 2021, 05:29:56 pm
TricMagic - If you were scum, who would you prefer to be teamed with, and why?
LuckyPixel - Out of everyone, who do you think would be the scariest as scum?
Secretdorf - Do you think you being almost identical to the mod grants you superpowers? In seriousness, what do you think of LuckyMagic?
LuckyMagic - The same question as SecretDorf, but for Tric - if you've played with him, what do you think of his playstyle?

An interesting trick, but I'm the TricMagic around here. Why did you not comment on my self-vote at all?
Woops, my dumbass should've checked the list.

As well.. honestly, I'm not sure what to think of it - which is why I'm asking the other players for opinions. On one hand, it paints a target on your back - scum would likely be drawn to push for it, but it'd be a good play for a scum to paint themselves as town.

I think you might be scum - not the flagbearer, as from the little I've read on previous games with you, you're not this brazen. So.. maybe scum?

I won't vote you though, as it'd only be one more vote to push you off. Not until I get more info.
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - Day 1: Broken branches
Post by: Yellow Pixel on February 20, 2021, 05:36:42 pm
LuckyPixel - Out of everyone, who do you think would be the scariest as scum?
So was that question for me?
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - Day 1: Broken branches
Post by: BluarianKnight on February 20, 2021, 05:39:29 pm
... Yes. Wow, I do not know why I messed that up.

TricMagic - If you were scum, who would you prefer to be teamed with, and why?
Yellow Pixel - Out of everyone, who do you think would be the scariest as scum?
Secretdorf - Do you think you being almost identical to the mod grants you superpowers? In seriousness, what do you think of LuckyMagic?
LuckyOwl - The same question as SecretDorf, but for Tric - if you've played with him, what do you think of his playstyle?

Here's a fixed version.
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - Day 1: Broken branches
Post by: TricMagic on February 20, 2021, 05:48:58 pm
BluarianKnight, you are looking pretty red right now. Why is that?
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - Day 1: Broken branches
Post by: BluarianKnight on February 20, 2021, 05:57:54 pm
BluarianKnight, you are looking pretty red right now. Why is that?
I'm guessing because I'm the only one you're able to get any information on?

We're early D1 - half of the players haven't even responded yet. You think I'm scum due to pressure.

Also;

TricMagic - If you were scum, who would you prefer to be teamed with, and why?
LuckyPixel - Out of everyone, who do you think would be the scariest as scum?
Secretdorf - Do you think you being almost identical to the mod grants you superpowers? In seriousness, what do you think of LuckyMagic?
LuckyMagic - The same question as SecretDorf, but for Tric - if you've played with him, what do you think of his playstyle?

An interesting trick, but I'm the TricMagic around here. Why did you not comment on my self-vote at all?

This is avoiding the question - trying to redirect it by pointing a finger at me, and pointing out my mispelling. Answer the question. Preferred scum partner?
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - Day 1: Broken branches
Post by: Yellow Pixel on February 20, 2021, 06:00:34 pm
Yellow Pixel - Out of everyone, who do you think would be the scariest as scum?

Hard to say. Probably the most experienced player since I never played before, or Secretdorf since he was very eager to play...

(I will not have the chance to post more before tomorrow, I have some obligation to attend to.)
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - Day 1: Broken branches
Post by: Luckyowl on February 20, 2021, 06:01:28 pm
TricMagic you would grilled me if I self-voted. So why did you open up day 1 with a self-vote?
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - Day 1: Broken branches
Post by: TricMagic on February 20, 2021, 06:13:17 pm
TricMagic you would grilled me if I self-voted. So why did you open up day 1 with a self-vote?
Exactly because of that.

To answer Blue's question, I would probobly like Luckyowl. No-one can really read them right, other than webadict having a keen eye on how the owl's mind works. So while a strange team-up, it wouldn't be a bad one.
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - Day 1: Broken branches
Post by: Luckyowl on February 20, 2021, 06:16:20 pm
BluarianKnight:BK what's your opinion on TricMagic self vote?

Yellowpixel: If we lynch the flagbearer then we win. However if we lynch a townie they can vengekill another player.  If you find yourself getting lynch who would you venge kill?
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - Day 1: Broken branches
Post by: Luckyowl on February 20, 2021, 06:19:53 pm
TricMagic you would grilled me if I self-voted. So why did you open up day 1 with a self-vote?
Exactly because of that.

Could you explain a bit further? I have assumptions, but I don't want you latching on to it. Are you wishing to venge kill someone by getting yourself voted? Don't you think it's a bit too early to start doing that? I for one, waited to get a feel of a player before I risk it with a self vote
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - Day 1: Broken branches
Post by: TricMagic on February 20, 2021, 06:23:11 pm
I was more interested in reactions than anything else, and was keeping an Unvote post ready if anyone did vote me. And if someone did manage it, it would have been due to teamwork, ergo mafia. Or town voting and mafia taking advantage of it, but such is pretty unlikely this early.
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - Day 1: Broken branches
Post by: TricMagic on February 20, 2021, 06:40:07 pm
Unvote for now, since I'll be off playing a video game. And then sleeping.
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - Day 1: Broken branches
Post by: BluarianKnight on February 20, 2021, 07:45:36 pm
BluarianKnight:BK what's your opinion on TricMagic self vote?

Yellowpixel: If we lynch the flagbearer then we win. However if we lynch a townie they can vengekill another player.  If you find yourself getting lynch who would you venge kill?

Honestly? I'm lost on it. I thought it was a joke the first time I saw it, so I decided to ignore it. If it was actually a 'test', then all it does is A) if he's scum, it paints legitimacy around him, as any pressure on him, due to only needing 3 votes, would seem like scum trying to take the bait. He tries to latch onto this here;

TricMagic - If you were scum, who would you prefer to be teamed with, and why?
LuckyPixel - Out of everyone, who do you think would be the scariest as scum?
Secretdorf - Do you think you being almost identical to the mod grants you superpowers? In seriousness, what do you think of LuckyMagic?
LuckyMagic - The same question as SecretDorf, but for Tric - if you've played with him, what do you think of his playstyle?

An interesting trick, but I'm the TricMagic around here. Why did you not comment on my self-vote at all?

to redirect suspicion on me. Which, hey, I kind of get. I was the only person responding at the time, so pressure was good. But waiting to answer until he was applied more pressure, (and close to actually being on the block) is fishy to me.

If it's not a joke, it would be risky as hell to 'test for reactions' with a self-vote with a game that only requires 1 townie vote to be kicked, if both scum vote. I'm not going to put my vote down on him - (as 1. This tactic seems too dumb for a competent Mafia to play, and 2. Since I believe he's town, he'll likely venge-kill. Since he's been only pointing at me so far, lynching him would lead to my death, and a Mafia win.)

Honestly though, I'd really like to see other players first - we've got two folks who haven't dipped their toes in yet.

Anyhow, Luckyowl, since I've seen you and Tric play a decent few games together.. so I'll ask the same question. What do you think of Tric's general meta? Does his current actions lean towards scum or town?
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - Day 1: Broken branches
Post by: Luckyowl on February 20, 2021, 09:08:07 pm

Anyhow, Luckyowl, since I've seen you and Tric play a decent few games together.. so I'll ask the same question. What do you think of Tric's general meta? Does his current actions lean towards scum or town?

I dunno. I think TricMagic like to make himself look obvious scum so he can then twist it and say "a scum player wouldn't have done this." It's pretty consistent to town! TricMagic the scary part is that maybe he might be more self aware of his action and is still continuing to play the scum townie as scum! TricMagic. Overall I say TricMagic leans more townie than scum for now.

BK: With only three players active out of the two and one who said they'll be active some where down the line.   Do you think the flagbearer might be SecretDorf?  They haven't said much and this sort of aligned with his recent scum play in cops and robbers.
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - Day 1: Broken branches
Post by: BluarianKnight on February 20, 2021, 10:30:12 pm
I dunno. I think TricMagic like to make himself look obvious scum so he can then twist it and say "a scum player wouldn't have done this." It's pretty consistent to town! TricMagic the scary part is that maybe he might be more self aware of his action and is still continuing to play the scum townie as scum! TricMagic. Overall I say TricMagic leans more townie than scum for now.

BK: With only three players active out of the two and one who said they'll be active some where down the line.   Do you think the flagbearer might be SecretDorf?  They haven't said much and this sort of aligned with his recent scum play in cops and robbers.

Right now? You might have a genuine point - albeit I'd love a link/evidence to that thread so I can double-check, buut.. I also want to give him the doubt. It's been less then 24 hours. I'm not going to put him down to scumlurk until we've hit the 2/3 point.

I'm going to simmer myself until I get at least one more of my questions answered - I can't build much if I only have half the players with many replies.


Secretdorf - what's keeping you lurking currently, IRL affairs or simply sitting back?
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - Day 1: Broken branches
Post by: Secretdorf on February 20, 2021, 11:05:52 pm
I dunno. I think TricMagic like to make himself look obvious scum so he can then twist it and say "a scum player wouldn't have done this." It's pretty consistent to town! TricMagic the scary part is that maybe he might be more self aware of his action and is still continuing to play the scum townie as scum! TricMagic. Overall I say TricMagic leans more townie than scum for now.

BK: With only three players active out of the two and one who said they'll be active some where down the line.   Do you think the flagbearer might be SecretDorf?  They haven't said much and this sort of aligned with his recent scum play in cops and robbers.

Right now? You might have a genuine point - albeit I'd love a link/evidence to that thread so I can double-check, buut.. I also want to give him the doubt. It's been less then 24 hours. I'm not going to put him down to scumlurk until we've hit the 2/3 point.

I'm going to simmer myself until I get at least one more of my questions answered - I can't build much if I only have half the players with many replies.


Secretdorf - what's keeping you lurking currently, IRL affairs or simply sitting back?
Just sleeping.

TricMagic - If you were scum, who would you prefer to be teamed with, and why?
LuckyPixel - Out of everyone, who do you think would be the scariest as scum?
Secretdorf - Do you think you being almost identical to the mod grants you superpowers? In seriousness, what do you think of LuckyMagic?
LuckyMagic - The same question as SecretDorf, but for Tric - if you've played with him, what do you think of his playstyle?
I am a vanilla townie got no powers. I think luckymagic can't be town in this game. He's been town all games I've seen him in. He is easy to townread when he is town.

That said I think your questions come from mafia as thats the type of questions that come to my mind when I am mafia especially the fav scum partner and scariest scum one. So...
BlurianKnight & Luckyowl: If we lynch you and you are town who would you vengekill?

Luckyowl
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - Day 1: Broken branches
Post by: TricMagic on February 20, 2021, 11:41:34 pm
I dunno. I think TricMagic like to make himself look obvious scum so he can then twist it and say "a scum player wouldn't have done this." It's pretty consistent to town! TricMagic the scary part is that maybe he might be more self aware of his action and is still continuing to play the scum townie as scum! TricMagic. Overall I say TricMagic leans more townie than scum for now.

BK: With only three players active out of the two and one who said they'll be active some where down the line.   Do you think the flagbearer might be SecretDorf?  They haven't said much and this sort of aligned with his recent scum play in cops and robbers.

Right now? You might have a genuine point - albeit I'd love a link/evidence to that thread so I can double-check, buut.. I also want to give him the doubt. It's been less then 24 hours. I'm not going to put him down to scumlurk until we've hit the 2/3 point.

I'm going to simmer myself until I get at least one more of my questions answered - I can't build much if I only have half the players with many replies.


Secretdorf - what's keeping you lurking currently, IRL affairs or simply sitting back?
Just sleeping.

TricMagic - If you were scum, who would you prefer to be teamed with, and why?
LuckyPixel - Out of everyone, who do you think would be the scariest as scum?
Secretdorf - Do you think you being almost identical to the mod grants you superpowers? In seriousness, what do you think of LuckyMagic?
LuckyMagic - The same question as SecretDorf, but for Tric - if you've played with him, what do you think of his playstyle?
I am a vanilla townie got no powers. I think luckymagic can't be town in this game. He's been town all games I've seen him in. He is easy to townread when he is town.

That said I think your questions come from mafia as thats the type of questions that come to my mind when I am mafia especially the fav scum partner and scariest scum one. So...
BlurianKnight & Luckyowl: If we lynch you and you are town who would you vengekill?

Luckyowl

Holdup! That type of question is misleading, but why vote Luckyowl instead of Blue? What are you trying to pull?
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - Day 1: Broken branches
Post by: Secretdorf on February 20, 2021, 11:47:12 pm
Blue is new. New players not good to read correctly.
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - Day 1: Broken branches
Post by: BluarianKnight on February 21, 2021, 12:29:15 am
I dunno. I think TricMagic like to make himself look obvious scum so he can then twist it and say "a scum player wouldn't have done this." It's pretty consistent to town! TricMagic the scary part is that maybe he might be more self aware of his action and is still continuing to play the scum townie as scum! TricMagic. Overall I say TricMagic leans more townie than scum for now.

BK: With only three players active out of the two and one who said they'll be active some where down the line.   Do you think the flagbearer might be SecretDorf?  They haven't said much and this sort of aligned with his recent scum play in cops and robbers.

Right now? You might have a genuine point - albeit I'd love a link/evidence to that thread so I can double-check, buut.. I also want to give him the doubt. It's been less then 24 hours. I'm not going to put him down to scumlurk until we've hit the 2/3 point.

I'm going to simmer myself until I get at least one more of my questions answered - I can't build much if I only have half the players with many replies.


Secretdorf - what's keeping you lurking currently, IRL affairs or simply sitting back?
Just sleeping.

TricMagic - If you were scum, who would you prefer to be teamed with, and why?
LuckyPixel - Out of everyone, who do you think would be the scariest as scum?
Secretdorf - Do you think you being almost identical to the mod grants you superpowers? In seriousness, what do you think of LuckyMagic?
LuckyMagic - The same question as SecretDorf, but for Tric - if you've played with him, what do you think of his playstyle?
I am a vanilla townie got no powers. I think luckymagic can't be town in this game. He's been town all games I've seen him in. He is easy to townread when he is town.

That said I think your questions come from mafia as thats the type of questions that come to my mind when I am mafia especially the fav scum partner and scariest scum one. So...
BlurianKnight & Luckyowl: If we lynch you and you are town who would you vengekill?

Luckyowl

Truth be told - I based those questions on some of the other forums as good basis scumhunt questions - and the underlined part was supposed to be scored out, (as it was a joke), but I understand the confusion.

As for my vengekill? TricMagic. . I've been hesitant to push because I was worried I was pressuring Townie, but taking a second readthrough, I've got the feeling TricMagic is Mafia, with Luckyowl as the flagbearer.

This is just intuition and a few quotes, but here's my theory isofar;
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Given that, I'll ask back;

Secretdorf: Tric does make a good point - voting on someone as Town is dangerous, so why are you so willing to make that first vote?
TricMagic: If you had to pick someone you considered Mafia besides myself, who would you?
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - Day 1: Broken branches
Post by: TricMagic on February 21, 2021, 12:38:33 am
To note, counteract requires lucky to not be lucky.

If I have to puck a second, Secretdorf works.
Blue is new. New players not good to read correctly.
This doesn't really help given they are voting you, yet would defend you with the old New defense. Maybe in longer games, but here we can't really use that given the game ends day 2 at the latest..

Last, why not use your vote proactively against me? I've given plenty of reason to, but you refuse to do so.
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - Day 1: Broken branches
Post by: BluarianKnight on February 21, 2021, 01:07:24 am
To note, counteract requires lucky to not be lucky.

If I have to puck a second, Secretdorf works.
Blue is new. New players not good to read correctly.
This doesn't really help given they are voting you, yet would defend you with the old New defense. Maybe in longer games, but here we can't really use that given the game ends day 2 at the latest..

Last, why not use your vote proactively against me? I've given plenty of reason to, but you refuse to do so.

I'm not going to do something because you prod me to. Plenty will happen in 72 hours - and as I've stated before, it only takes one town vote to let Mafia hammer, (unless I misinterpret the rules) so I refuse to Vote until I'm certain. Especially against someone who's willing to self-vote.

Maybe that makes you Mafia trying to gain immunity, or town. It's a WIFOM, and I'd rather find your second then play this game.
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - Day 1: Broken branches
Post by: Secretdorf on February 21, 2021, 04:26:40 am
BK: If mafia choose to quickhammer townie, they'll risk a vengekill(LYLO). So they'll probably not be doing that unless they have a solid case.

I think Tricmagic is the flagbearer. Its using WIFOM but...
TricMagic 
Now, a flagbearer wouldn't risk that but I think he was trying to do what caused luckyowl to be townread in an earlier VM.

Right now I think either tric or lucky or both are mafia.
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - Day 1: Broken branches
Post by: TricMagic on February 21, 2021, 10:18:47 am
Oh Secretdorf, you play your hand. The issue with that is that Lucky is also voting me, which places me at L-1.

What makes you think that move had anything to do with being Scum, it's too quick for that. I would have needed to know I'm mafia from before the game starts unless I am outright ignoring my partner. At which point any connections are a lot harder to pin down. Who is my partner, show some real evidence of lucky being my mafia partner. Otherwise it will be you who dies after my lynch.
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - Day 1: Broken branches
Post by: Secretdorf on February 21, 2021, 10:23:52 am
 8) Just thinking scum would hammer you. I am sure luckyowl is mafia one way or other probably with yellowpixel.
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - Day 1: Broken branches
Post by: Yellow Pixel on February 21, 2021, 11:43:08 am
Yellow Pixel - Out of everyone, who do you think would be the scariest as scum?

Probably Lucky since he has more experience than you and appear to me in a better position to defend himself.

Yellowpixel: If we lynch the flagbearer then we win. However if we lynch a townie they can vengekill another player.  If you find yourself getting lynch who would you venge kill?

I would venge kill Tric or Secretdorf, I don't really mind who between the two, as I think they are both mafia.

My explanation:

Secretdorf is pointing me as mafia for no good reason and Tric is putting too much pressure on Blue to make her vote at a very early moment, like we see in this quote:

Last, why not use your vote proactively against me? I've given plenty of reason to, but you refuse to do so.

Also, Secretdorf has voted him, before changing his mind right after. It's as if him and Tric are playing a game together, wich seems very mafia-like. Furthermore, Lucky said so little... I see no good reason for the players to vote him.

So, question to Secretdorf: On what assumptions do you presume Lucky is mafia?
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - Day 1: Broken branches
Post by: Superdorf on February 21, 2021, 12:46:08 pm
Unvote

I'm counting it this once, but all unvotes should be in red. Is clearer that way.



The words of the mushroom people, hesitant at first, soon grow free and fierce. A speaker offers himself for annihilation, in seeming jest. His siblings debate whether to make his words a reality.

Quote from: Votecount
BluarianKnight - N/A
Luckyowl - N/A
Secretdorf - N/A
TricMagic (2) - Luckyowl, Secretdorf
Yellow Pixel - N/A

Not voting (3) - BluarianKnight, TricMagic, Yellow Pixel

Day end: 12:00 AM (EST), February 23
Three votes to hammer.
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - Day 1: Broken branches
Post by: TricMagic on February 21, 2021, 02:53:37 pm

The words of the mushroom people, hesitant at first, soon grow free and fierce. A speaker offers himself for annihilation, in seeming jest. His siblings debate whether to make his words a reality.


You'd be surprised. Right now I'm just wondering what Luckyowl has to say about all this.
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - Day 1: Broken branches
Post by: BluarianKnight on February 21, 2021, 05:01:59 pm
Yellow Pixel - Out of everyone, who do you think would be the scariest as scum?

Probably Lucky since he has more experience than you and appear to me in a better position to defend himself.

So.. why did you answer my first question twice?

As well - you've changed your answer to the person with the most heat. Not because they're suspicious in game - but because of experience and 'position'. If we look earlier..

Yellow Pixel - Out of everyone, who do you think would be the scariest as scum?

Hard to say. Probably the most experienced player since I never played before, or Secretdorf since he was very eager to play...

(I will not have the chance to post more before tomorrow, I have some obligation to attend to.)

Why did you change your answer? Are you just following along to seem townie?

You aren't scumhunting on anything past popular vote. Your evidence as well seems weak - but I'll respond to that later.

Yellow Pixel: What's your response to this?
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - Day 1: Broken branches
Post by: Yellow Pixel on February 21, 2021, 06:05:25 pm
I didn't realized I had already answered your question... In fact, my anwer changed only because I had more information today to base myself upon.

And now I'm waiting for the next post of Lucky and Secret's answer to my question:

So, question to Secretdorf: On what assumptions do you presume Lucky is mafia?
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - Day 1: Broken branches
Post by: Luckyowl on February 21, 2021, 09:09:57 pm
8) Just thinking scum would hammer you. I am sure luckyowl is mafia one way or other probably with yellowpixel.

Why do you think I'm scum buddying with Yellowpixel? You seem pretty adamant in making me your scumpick. What have I done to make myself look scum? Are you aware that most of us think you are the scum? Me personally I think you are scumbuddying with TricMagic as your interaction with them feel pretty odd. You place your vote on me with no real good reasons. Then switched it onto TricMagic because he said so?  The thing is though. I think TricMagic is town. You are scum and the last scum member is either BK  or YP. BK have been acting more town and I am confident to say that BK is town. YP might be scum, it's pretty light right now. One thing I am confident to say. Is that you are scum SecretDorf.


So I'll ask you a question:
SecretDorf: If you turn out to be town. Are you still planning to vengekill me?
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - Day 1: Broken branches
Post by: Secretdorf on February 21, 2021, 09:44:58 pm
Yellow Pixel - Out of everyone, who do you think would be the scariest as scum?

Probably Lucky since he has more experience than you and appear to me in a better position to defend himself.

Yellowpixel: If we lynch the flagbearer then we win. However if we lynch a townie they can vengekill another player.  If you find yourself getting lynch who would you venge kill?

I would venge kill Tric or Secretdorf, I don't really mind who between the two, as I think they are both mafia.

My explanation:

Secretdorf is pointing me as mafia for no good reason and Tric is putting too much pressure on Blue to make her vote at a very early moment, like we see in this quote:

Last, why not use your vote proactively against me? I've given plenty of reason to, but you refuse to do so.

Also, Secretdorf has voted him, before changing his mind right after. It's as if him and Tric are playing a game together, wich seems very mafia-like. Furthermore, Lucky said so little... I see no good reason for the players to vote him.

So, question to Secretdorf: On what assumptions do you presume Lucky is mafia?
Hmmm... I was thinking luckyowl is mafia in this one because all games I've played with them, they were town. Also, something seemed odd in his posts. But now, I know tricmagic is town as am I. Because we are both on your and luckyowl's vengekill list.Yellowpixel, is the flagbearer out of you two.
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - Day 1: Broken branches
Post by: Secretdorf on February 21, 2021, 09:47:00 pm
8) Just thinking scum would hammer you. I am sure luckyowl is mafia one way or other probably with yellowpixel.

Why do you think I'm scum buddying with Yellowpixel? You seem pretty adamant in making me your scumpick. What have I done to make myself look scum? Are you aware that most of us think you are the scum? Me personally I think you are scumbuddying with TricMagic as your interaction with them feel pretty odd. You place your vote on me with no real good reasons. Then switched it onto TricMagic because he said so?  The thing is though. I think TricMagic is town. You are scum and the last scum member is either BK  or YP. BK have been acting more town and I am confident to say that BK is town. YP might be scum, it's pretty light right now. One thing I am confident to say. Is that you are scum SecretDorf.


So I'll ask you a question:
SecretDorf: If you turn out to be town. Are you still planning to vengekill me?
Either you or yellowpixel. Probably you.
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - Day 1: Broken branches
Post by: TricMagic on February 22, 2021, 08:26:01 am
Flipflops do not look good on you Secretdorf. Luckyowl at least seems to be coming at this from a town perspective, and I don't thhink he can fake the first vote. Especially when he isn't being voted and isn't on my kill list. Unless he's protecting someone, but I'm not voting anyone but myself, till now anyway.
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - Day 1: Broken branches
Post by: Secretdorf on February 22, 2021, 11:00:17 am
 :-\ Someone's going to hammer me and I am going to vengekill them, probaly.

I think I was being under(or over)smart. Why do everyone think I am mafia? So I can defend myself. I am not sure what to say on tricmagic's post except that its probably scum lynching me because I have got wrong people on my vengekill list.
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - Day 1: Broken branches
Post by: Yellow Pixel on February 22, 2021, 11:11:31 am
You're certainly mafia, Secretdorf.
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - Day 1: Broken branches
Post by: Superdorf on February 22, 2021, 11:45:24 am
Oh hey, that's hammer. Locking the thread for processing!

Secretdorf, please send me your vengekill choice by PM.
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - Day 1: Broken branches
Post by: Superdorf on February 22, 2021, 09:42:15 pm
A consensus is reached.

Quote from: Votecount
BluarianKnight - N/A
Luckyowl - N/A
Secretdorf - Luckyowl, TricMagic, Yellow Pixel
TricMagic - N/A
Yellow Pixel - Secretdorf

Not voting (1) - BluarianKnight

Three votes to hammer.

The mushroom named "Secretdorf" struggles as its siblings take fierce hold of it-- screeches as they sink questioning tendrils through its skin, into the formless brain beneath. It thrashes, writhes-- and lashes in its death throes at the mushroom "Yellow Pixel", driving an arm through the unfortunate's mind-flesh in turn. This done, Secretdorf perishes: an empty cavity, where its thoughts used to be.

The three surviving siblings can find no taint of corruption in the tissue of Secretdorf. Fear and righteousness filled its psyche-- in the end, despair.

Spoiler: Role PM - Secretdorf (click to show/hide)

Shrugging, the survivors sink their arms also into the twitching flesh of Yellow Pixel-- and recoil, repulsed. Its psyche is stained with echoed, alien dreams: secondhand images, forced on it by its sibling.
Spoiler: Role PM - Yellow Pixel (click to show/hide)

The body of Yellow Pixel is cast into the aether (toxic; useless), and the body of Secretdorf sequestered in some dendritic chamber. When these annihilations are over, there will be need of unblemished tissue.



Secretdorf has been lynched. Secretdorf was a Vanilla Townie.
Yellow Pixel has been vengekilled. Yellow Pixel was a Mafia Goon.
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - Day 2: Unblemished tissue
Post by: Superdorf on February 22, 2021, 09:45:28 pm
Quote from: Votecount
BlurarianKnight - N/A
Luckyowl - N/A
TricMagic - N/A

Not voting: BluarianKnight, Luckyowl, TricMagic

Two votes to hammer.

It is now Day 2. The Day will end at 10:00 PM (EST), on the 25th of February.
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - Day 2
Post by: Luckyowl on February 22, 2021, 10:47:02 pm
The FB is TricMagic at this point. The opening bait post that honestly contradicts what he said last VM game. The fact he jumped the bandwagon on SD and lastly, BK have been acting more like town scumhunting and applying pressure onto other players. Where Tric's only contrbuition was by opening up with a post that only helped to paint a bad picture on him. I can of course do what ToonyMan did and vote TricMagic and see if scum! BK will hammer, but I don't wish to risk it just yet. I will give TRM a chance to defend himself and try to convince me that they are town. If it fails than I have no choice but to go with my gut and vote him risking a possible win for BK as scum.
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - Day 2: Unblemished tissue
Post by: BluarianKnight on February 22, 2021, 11:06:16 pm
At this point, I've got to say TricMagic.

Tric has put pressure on everyone so far.. except Yellow Pixel. No questions between either of them. Absolutely no interaction or references from what I can see.

As well, Yellow didn't hammer when Tric was one vote away - why didn't he? He threw away his vote on Secretdorf without much ado. Especially right after the Tric bandwagon.

Between that and your good points Lucky, I'm almost certain it's him. While I've suspected you - with Yellow outed, most of my 'buddying' claims don't really work anymore if only one of you is scum, so if you want to hammer, hammer. My vote's already in.
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - Day 2: Unblemished tissue
Post by: TricMagic on February 23, 2021, 08:24:49 am
I wouldn't be so quick BluarianKnight. I already had Lucky as a townread. And after dorf flipped town(from the vengekill prompt) I took a look at Yellowpixel. 4 Posts. And not the best, was kicking myself for this.

As well, why would I make such a move? Yellowpixel literally came in and posted a vote with no reasoning or leadup, just Wham.

YP didn't do so on my vote because YOU would have been the vengekill, Flagbearer. [It comes down to Luckyowl, again. If you're going to flip a coin, do so quickly. If not, let logic guide you to the truth.]


... Wanting to hammer so quickly is scumlike. When I couldn't defend myself from your claims. I at least have a read on Lucky as town and a read on you as scum since early on.


To answer YP again, this was your plan, made carefully in the Scumchat. Either that or you needed to make one when YP decided to hammer, but that is less likely with a 2/3 chance of your victory. Could have been executed better though.
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - Day 2: Unblemished tissue
Post by: BluarianKnight on February 23, 2021, 09:44:31 am
I wouldn't be so quick BluarianKnight. I already had Lucky as a townread. And after dorf flipped town(from the vengekill prompt) I took a look at Yellowpixel. 4 Posts. And not the best, was kicking myself for this.

As well, why would I make such a move? Yellowpixel literally came in and posted a vote with no reasoning or leadup, just Wham.

YP didn't do so on my vote because YOU would have been the vengekill, Flagbearer. [It comes down to Luckyowl, again. If you're going to flip a coin, do so quickly. If not, let logic guide you to the truth.]


... Wanting to hammer so quickly is scumlike. When I couldn't defend myself from your claims. I at least have a read on Lucky as town and a read on you as scum since early on.


To answer YP again, this was your plan, made carefully in the Scumchat. Either that or you needed to make one when YP decided to hammer, but that is less likely with a 2/3 chance of your victory. Could have been executed better though.

Or - hear me out, he didn't hammer because he didn't want to lose.

It's 50-50. We both feel Lucky is town, so I knew that we'd vote each other. I put my vote down because at this point, there's no other way this would go down. You've been considering me scum since my first post - even when there's barely any evidence, even accusing other folks when scumhunting others. The only time you switch, as far as I can tell, is when you're L-1, and Secretdorf is putting pressure on you hard. Lucky puts a vote on him to pressure, and you and Yellow vote him out quickly in succession. Since Yellow voted with barely an excuse, he got the hammer instead of you.

That leaves you here, with me - someone you've been attempting to taint as scum all game, and Lucky, who's been the most townie-acting all game. It's the best situation you could've made out of nearly being lynched, Flagbearer.
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - Day 2: Unblemished tissue
Post by: TricMagic on February 23, 2021, 11:46:48 am
You haven't seen how lucky plays in these types of games. He's always the deciding factor. Likewise, attempting to taint as scum doesn't quite fit. I believed you to be scum, up till secretdorf made me wonder if YP was his partner. Then YP hammers town, and gets vengekilled. I don't really need to make you look scummy, as I know you are. You did that just fine on your own, from the very beginning of the game where you ignored my self-vote. And now that has come full circle to rest upon you.
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - Day 2: Unblemished tissue
Post by: TricMagic on February 23, 2021, 11:49:52 am
YP didn't do so on my vote because YOU would have been the vengekill, Flagbearer.

Or - hear me out, he didn't hammer because he didn't want to lose.

I already said that. Twisting words to mean something else, a classic scum-tell. Granted, this can also count, so WIFOM. But you did it first, not me.
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - Day 2: Unblemished tissue
Post by: TricMagic on February 23, 2021, 12:00:12 pm
... I'll also pont out my self-vote was always going to be removed. I was specifically waiting for that. You also misremember, I only had Luckyowl's vote on me when I unvoted from myself.

Also, looking at your starting posts doesn't help my opinion of you any. You did pretty much ignore my self-vote, so you don't get to use it now as an argument.
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - Day 2: Unblemished tissue
Post by: BluarianKnight on February 23, 2021, 12:17:21 pm
... I'll also pont out my self-vote was always going to be removed. I was specifically waiting for that. You also misremember, I only had Luckyowl's vote on me when I unvoted from myself.

Also, looking at your starting posts doesn't help my opinion of you any. You did pretty much ignore my self-vote, so you don't get to use it now as an argument.

I didn't have a response to your self-vote. Honestly I still dont.

I'll make a response shortly- give me 3 hours. Just posting so my silence isnt taken out of context.
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - Day 2: Unblemished tissue
Post by: TricMagic on February 23, 2021, 12:26:09 pm
The point remains that you didn't psychoanalyzing it after day 1 really won't do anything, since day 1 would be scumhunting. Here at MYLO it's just casting shade on me. Go ahead though. The fact you have no thoughts on it means you completely disregarded it cause you knew I was town, and so spent no effort on figuring me out. It looks scummy, so no reason to bother, right?
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - Day 2: Unblemished tissue
Post by: BluarianKnight on February 23, 2021, 01:38:50 pm
The point remains that you didn't psychoanalyzing it after day 1 really won't do anything, since day 1 would be scumhunting. Here at MYLO it's just casting shade on me. Go ahead though. The fact you have no thoughts on it means you completely disregarded it cause you knew I was town, and so spent no effort on figuring me out. It looks scummy, so no reason to bother, right?

I didn't say I didn't have any thoughts on it - just that I had no response. Because it was stupid, at least in my perspective. As a townie, such blatant disregard is so off-putting because you seem like you're trying too hard to be town, that you seem scum. As scum, you'd be far too ballsy, but such a play could make you seem town. It's WIFOM right out of the gate. So I decided to avoid it and try scumhunting.

As well;
You haven't seen how lucky plays in these types of games. He's always the deciding factor. Likewise, attempting to taint as scum doesn't quite fit. I believed you to be scum, up till secretdorf made me wonder if YP was his partner. Then YP hammers town, and gets vengekilled. I don't really need to make you look scummy, as I know you are. You did that just fine on your own, from the very beginning of the game where you ignored my self-vote. And now that has come full circle to rest upon you.

Why do you think I'm scum?

Past 'knowing' I am. That's what I've been looking for all game. If I'm going to be blatant, part of me still thinks you're town. Even now, but you've done nothing to help yourself here. We're both pointing fingers at each other, while Lucky can pick who he believes.

... I'll also pont out my self-vote was always going to be removed. I was specifically waiting for that. You also misremember, I only had Luckyowl's vote on me when I unvoted from myself.

Also, looking at your starting posts doesn't help my opinion of you any. You did pretty much ignore my self-vote, so you don't get to use it now as an argument.

I wasn't talking about your self-vote. I was talking about when we were here;

 
Unvote

I'm counting it this once, but all unvotes should be in red. Is clearer that way.



The words of the mushroom people, hesitant at first, soon grow free and fierce. A speaker offers himself for annihilation, in seeming jest. His siblings debate whether to make his words a reality.

Quote from: Votecount
BluarianKnight - N/A
Luckyowl - N/A
Secretdorf - N/A
TricMagic (2) - Luckyowl, Secretdorf
Yellow Pixel - N/A

Not voting (3) - BluarianKnight, TricMagic, Yellow Pixel

Day end: 12:00 AM (EST), February 23
Three votes to hammer.

Lucky and Secret both voted you - and Lucky puts pressure of Secret. You decide to jump over and vote Secret suddenly, and, shortly after, Yellow hammers him in.

Killing the guy who's put the most pressure on you all game.

Now; I want you to actually respond - not just the self-vote. Run me through your reasoning. Stop avoiding questions and give me your reasoning.
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - Day 2: Unblemished tissue
Post by: Superdorf on February 23, 2021, 01:41:12 pm
Quote from: Votecount
BlurarianKnight - TricMagic
Luckyowl - N/A
TricMagic - BluarianKnight

Not voting: Luckyowl

Two votes to hammer.
Day end: 10:00 PM (EST), February 25

Two mushrooms level accusing appendages at each other, each speaking twisty eloquence in support of its cause. It falls to the third, to decide the fate of the struggling colony.
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - Day 2: Unblemished tissue
Post by: TricMagic on February 23, 2021, 02:07:17 pm
... Really? That's your point, to lead the question to that while ignoring the lie an trying to redirect the path of conversation, while outright ignoring the fact that I did give my reason for voting him. And a good part of that was in his own posts and my response to them. Do you think I would vote myself off in this game?


Lets go to the first part of your post, all the way back to the beginning.

TricMagic  8)
TricMagic - If you were scum, who would you prefer to be teamed with, and why?
LuckyPixel - Out of everyone, who do you think would be the scariest as scum?
Secretdorf - Do you think you being almost identical to the mod grants you superpowers? In seriousness, what do you think of LuckyMagic?
LuckyMagic - The same question as SecretDorf, but for Tric - if you've played with him, what do you think of his playstyle?

It's a bit interesting how you use this to mess with people, correcting it later. But it's so wrong in the naming sense that you are delibritely being confusing. You used Lucky twice, and then corrected it. But you just brushed it off as a mistake. If you were trying to trip people up, it would be less suspicious.

LuckyPixel - Out of everyone, who do you think would be the scariest as scum?
So was that question for me?

Post 1 of four.

Yellow Pixel - Out of everyone, who do you think would be the scariest as scum?

Hard to say. Probably the most experienced player since I never played before, or Secretdorf since he was very eager to play...

(I will not have the chance to post more before tomorrow, I have some obligation to attend to.)

Post 2 of four. Not it says the most experienced. Or Secretdorf. You guys are new, which means it points at nothing but town from my perspective. But this is hindsight speaking rather than day 1 me, so let's move on.



BluarianKnight:BK what's your opinion on TricMagic self vote?

Yellowpixel: If we lynch the flagbearer then we win. However if we lynch a townie they can vengekill another player.  If you find yourself getting lynch who would you venge kill?

Honestly? I'm lost on it. I thought it was a joke the first time I saw it, so I decided to ignore it. If it was actually a 'test', then all it does is A) if he's scum, it paints legitimacy around him, as any pressure on him, due to only needing 3 votes, would seem like scum trying to take the bait. He tries to latch onto this here;

TricMagic - If you were scum, who would you prefer to be teamed with, and why?
LuckyPixel - Out of everyone, who do you think would be the scariest as scum?
Secretdorf - Do you think you being almost identical to the mod grants you superpowers? In seriousness, what do you think of LuckyMagic?
LuckyMagic - The same question as SecretDorf, but for Tric - if you've played with him, what do you think of his playstyle?

An interesting trick, but I'm the TricMagic around here. Why did you not comment on my self-vote at all?

to redirect suspicion on me. Which, hey, I kind of get. I was the only person responding at the time, so pressure was good. But waiting to answer until he was applied more pressure, (and close to actually being on the block) is fishy to me.

If it's not a joke, it would be risky as hell to 'test for reactions' with a self-vote with a game that only requires 1 townie vote to be kicked, if both scum vote. I'm not going to put my vote down on him - (as 1. This tactic seems too dumb for a competent Mafia to play, and 2. Since I believe he's town, he'll likely venge-kill. Since he's been only pointing at me so far, lynching him would lead to my death, and a Mafia win.)

Honestly though, I'd really like to see other players first - we've got two folks who haven't dipped their toes in yet.

Anyhow, Luckyowl, since I've seen you and Tric play a decent few games together.. so I'll ask the same question. What do you think of Tric's general meta? Does his current actions lean towards scum or town?

Quite a bit in this post at first glance, but let's break it down into three sentences. Sentence A: Hawing about me being scum seeking legitmency. Sentence B, saying you will get vengekilled and lead to town loss and mafia win if I'm town, before cleverly making a comment about the other two talking before you make a desison you never actually made.. C, asking Luckyowl on my meta. Later on you then make a case for a Luckyowl/TricMagic teamup. Note the complete lack of YellowPixel commentary.



Yellow Pixel - Out of everyone, who do you think would be the scariest as scum?

Probably Lucky since he has more experience than you and appear to me in a better position to defend himself.

Yellowpixel: If we lynch the flagbearer then we win. However if we lynch a townie they can vengekill another player.  If you find yourself getting lynch who would you venge kill?

I would venge kill Tric or Secretdorf, I don't really mind who between the two, as I think they are both mafia.

My explanation:

Secretdorf is pointing me as mafia for no good reason and Tric is putting too much pressure on Blue to make her vote at a very early moment, like we see in this quote:

Last, why not use your vote proactively against me? I've given plenty of reason to, but you refuse to do so.

Also, Secretdorf has voted him, before changing his mind right after. It's as if him and Tric are playing a game together, wich seems very mafia-like. Furthermore, Lucky said so little... I see no good reason for the players to vote him.

So, question to Secretdorf: On what assumptions do you presume Lucky is mafia?

Post 3 of four.

I didn't realized I had already answered your question... In fact, my anwer changed only because I had more information today to base myself upon.

And now I'm waiting for the next post of Lucky and Secret's answer to my question:

So, question to Secretdorf: On what assumptions do you presume Lucky is mafia?

And 4. Only one after this is the Clearly Mafia hammervote. Looking at your own post,

Yellow Pixel - Out of everyone, who do you think would be the scariest as scum?

Probably Lucky since he has more experience than you and appear to me in a better position to defend himself.

So.. why did you answer my first question twice?

As well - you've changed your answer to the person with the most heat. Not because they're suspicious in game - but because of experience and 'position'. If we look earlier..

Yellow Pixel - Out of everyone, who do you think would be the scariest as scum?

Hard to say. Probably the most experienced player since I never played before, or Secretdorf since he was very eager to play...

(I will not have the chance to post more before tomorrow, I have some obligation to attend to.)

Why did you change your answer? Are you just following along to seem townie?

You aren't scumhunting on anything past popular vote. Your evidence as well seems weak - but I'll respond to that later.

Yellow Pixel: What's your response to this?

2 things. First, the 'Heat', it doesn't exist. The first answer only pointed to experianced players, or secretdorf. The second pointed to luckyowl. YP tried to tie Luckyowl and me together for whatever reason., something you also did. And as you yourself said, low effort hunting. Or bussing for mafia to prevent the flagbearer from being lynched. Your complete lack of voting betrays you, for the town's weapon is their vote. So as a final question, Why didn't you vote Day 1?

Hua.. such a wall. But such is... well likely not needed, it's luckyowl after all. But still, have to make the effort for him to have a chance to lead it.
To the Meta-This type of thing is in line with town me, prowling through previous posts to make a full case. I just don't do it as much given the amount of effort and energy it takes. But for you, I will. I'm going to go rest with something, maybe some ice cream.

Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - Day 2: Unblemished tissue
Post by: TricMagic on February 23, 2021, 02:10:50 pm
You can tell I got a bit tired. lead should be read. And the last part isn't as defined as the rest. It's more than anyone else has posted in game though, so I'll forgive it and relax as I await luckyowl's coinflip decision.
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - Day 2: Unblemished tissue
Post by: TricMagic on February 23, 2021, 02:12:30 pm
Another point, speaking up so as not to be silent and seem scummy. Scum wants to look town. I'll leave you with this  8)
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - Day 2: Unblemished tissue
Post by: BluarianKnight on February 23, 2021, 02:32:24 pm
Responding to;
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Why didn't I vote D1? You're right, the town's best weapon is the Lynch, but in this set-up, votes can turn the tide quickly. So I didn't want to allow a hammer, and that led me to being indecisive. Is it a bad mark on me? Certainly. But my only suspect at that point was You; who was already after me, and Lucky, who I was mostly guessing from context clues. If you were town, that'd be it - two raving mad dogs barking at each other while we're shot in the back. So I kept my vote to myself. I don't think it was a bad option - sure, we lost Secret, but outed the Mafia.

Yellow? The guy posted 4 times - I at least prodded at him, while, again, you did not interact with him. You and him voted together, and you and him stayed out of each other's way. Nobody else so far as I can see has the same reaction.

As for your claims?

The Heat did exist - again, at the time of that question, Secret was just putting pressure on you. Good thing to note, that you did miss; Post 3 of four of Yellow;

Yellow Pixel - Out of everyone, who do you think would be the scariest as scum?

Probably Lucky since he has more experience than you and appear to me in a better position to defend himself.

Yellowpixel: If we lynch the flagbearer then we win. However if we lynch a townie they can vengekill another player.  If you find yourself getting lynch who would you venge kill?

I would venge kill Tric or Secretdorf, I don't really mind who between the two, as I think they are both mafia.

My explanation:

Secretdorf is pointing me as mafia for no good reason and Tric is putting too much pressure on Blue to make her vote at a very early moment, like we see in this quote:

Last, why not use your vote proactively against me? I've given plenty of reason to, but you refuse to do so.

Also, Secretdorf has voted him, before changing his mind right after. It's as if him and Tric are playing a game together, wich seems very mafia-like. Furthermore, Lucky said so little... I see no good reason for the players to vote him.

So, question to Secretdorf: On what assumptions do you presume Lucky is mafia?

That's some nice buddying from Yellow onto me - don't think I didn't notice. Going to save that for your last post to toss me as 'scum'?

Shortly after, once Lucky gives you the opportunity, you and Yellow pounce on him- outing Yellow as scum, as he was the only clear option to vengekill.

That leaves you, with Lucky, who probably is the one most likely to not vote you out of your options, and me - who you've been slandering all game.

You wanna know why I didn't vote? So what you and Yellow did to Secret didn't happen.
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - Day 2: Unblemished tissue
Post by: TricMagic on February 23, 2021, 03:48:34 pm
So to lurk and not get the vengekill placed on you instead.  And no, check again, the third post is there. And once again twisting words. You saying YP changing their tune based on who has the heat, not the heat on me. Please do not try that again, it's getting a bit silly.

Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - Day 2: Unblemished tissue
Post by: Luckyowl on February 23, 2021, 08:20:20 pm
Alright, So I might  vote BK. Here's why:

I suspect the flagbeaerer  wouldn't want to paint a bad picture of themselves on day 1. They would most likely try to act more as town to shave off any susicpicous off them. TricMagic self-vote would've make sense if he was the goon. But with YP's flip. TricMagic's self vote is just him really trying to get a conversation going. TRM have done this before as town. So it's not out of the ordinary. So this leaves BK who have been acting more like town throughout the game prodding players left and right and such always trying to engage with everyone and such. But the problem is that YP flip. From perspective this makes me see TRM self-vote a more townread than ever before. Which I guess helped him in the long run. Leaving BK as being the only possible scum.

I think YP hammering was a planned that did a NO U.  They probably thought SRD was going to vengekill me for starting a bandwagon on him. But SRD did the right thing and no u back at the mafiateam and killed YP. But to be honest that's probably because SRD thinks me and YP are part of the same team. But the fact I didn't quickhammer already already solidfy me as town. So...here I am again in LYLO.

There is a chance that TRM played a gambit as flagbeaerer, but I highly doubt he would do such a thing....but then again...*shrugged*


so anyways I'm might be voting BK, but I don't want to be rash and allow them to defend themselves if they wish to do so.

 
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - Day 2: Unblemished tissue
Post by: Luckyowl on February 23, 2021, 08:28:01 pm
So I think BK is scum because FB would want to try and not get themselves voted out. But this can also apply on TRM who instead of trying to stay low decided to go bold. But I dunno. Scum!  TRM always play carefully. I always suspect a town! TRM to play more wildly like myself.
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - Day 2: Unblemished tissue
Post by: TricMagic on February 23, 2021, 08:52:50 pm
Careful play due to chatrooms are a tell of mine it seems. Mostly cause it's a team rather than solo town players. Info begets action, lack of it begets different actions. Honestly I should have gone with my first thought in NQT's game, might have ended differently. Then again those shields were a bit ridiculous, and I the only one without a deadly flaw..

Any response to Luckyowl BK?
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - Day 2: Unblemished tissue
Post by: BluarianKnight on February 23, 2021, 09:31:34 pm
At this point, it's the difference between someone who acts brazenly versus someone who acts conceded.

Lucky's town - so Lucky, I've laid my case, ans they've laid their case out. If you've read both sides and decided to vote me, I'm not sure what I can do past reiterating my points. I think Tric's flagbearer. His actions - both now, and what he's said in the past, seem to indicate a radical change of behavior. Toss the ball so far off-course that it'd seem impossible that he'd do something so reckless. That's my read, at least.

I know it's a poor defense - but it's my first game on these forums. My indecision and lack of initiative (including voting) was due to a fear of seeming too hot-blooded. I can tell now that it's led us to this point - honestly just should've voted Tric out D1 and went with my gut feeling. But I gave leniency because I was trying to play it safe.

Hell, I've made some slip-ups trying to argue, so I won't be too pissed at a Mafia win at my poor play.

So to lurk and not get the vengekill placed on you instead.  And no, check again, the third post is there. And once again twisting words. You saying YP changing their tune based on who has the heat, not the heat on me. Please do not try that again, it's getting a bit silly.



I'll concede I made the wrong argument here, albeit - my first post, with the mis-typed names for each question, was a bit foolish.

I'll lay my last argument to you, Lucky. If it doesn't change your opinion, cast your vote.

Do you think Yellow and I were some 'dastardly group' that made all sorts of machinations, as Tric mentioned here;
I wouldn't be so quick BluarianKnight. I already had Lucky as a townread. And after dorf flipped town(from the vengekill prompt) I took a look at Yellowpixel. 4 Posts. And not the best, was kicking myself for this.

As well, why would I make such a move? Yellowpixel literally came in and posted a vote with no reasoning or leadup, just Wham.

YP didn't do so on my vote because YOU would have been the vengekill, Flagbearer. [It comes down to Luckyowl, again. If you're going to flip a coin, do so quickly. If not, let logic guide you to the truth.]


... Wanting to hammer so quickly is scumlike. When I couldn't defend myself from your claims. I at least have a read on Lucky as town and a read on you as scum since early on.


To answer YP again, this was your plan, made carefully in the Scumchat. Either that or you needed to make one when YP decided to hammer, but that is less likely with a 2/3 chance of your victory. Could have been executed better though.

Or something someone like Tric would try to pull? You've played with him - my opinion's already biased by the fact I know he's scum.

I still think voting me is the wrong call - but I think Tric'd say the same.

Make your call, Lucky.
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - Day 2: Unblemished tissue
Post by: Luckyowl on February 23, 2021, 09:58:28 pm
you know what, I'll go for the most logical reason:

TricMagic is flagbeaerer, and did a WIFOM at the beginning hoping for a lucky gambit. But when I voted against him and SD followed suit all we needed was BK. But, of course I wanted to apply pressure onto SD hoping  to get more info out of him. In my changing of votes TricMagic and YP took the opportunity to hammer SD in hoping that SD will vengekill me or YP. Either giving the mafia a win or allow a second chance for the mafia to win in LYLO.

at the end. I think TricMagic is scum. BK have been acting more townie and sure they could be a scum who is good at acting townie. But it's whatever. I'll place my vote onto TricMagic.


If BK turn out to be mafia. GG well played.
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - Day 2: Unblemished tissue
Post by: ToonyMan on February 23, 2021, 10:26:43 pm
I can't believe it came down to Lucky lylo again.

I also believe Tric was the mafia...
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - Day 2: Unblemished tissue
Post by: Superdorf on February 23, 2021, 10:32:02 pm
And that's hammer! Locking the thread for processing.
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - End: Death to the colony (scum win)
Post by: Superdorf on February 23, 2021, 11:14:51 pm
The outlier makes its decision.

Quote from: Votecount
BlurarianKnight (1) - TricMagic
Luckyowl - N/A
TricMagic (2) - BluarianKnight, Luckyowl

Two votes to hammer.

Together, BluarianKnight and Luckyowl sink their arms into the brain-flesh of TricMagic. Together, they hollow out the mind of their sibling, taking the structured tissue into themselves; together, they taste of its thought-patterns...

...and find nothing.


Quote from: TricMagic's role PM
Peace to the colony. Long life to the colony.

Before the mushroom Luckyowl can draw the proper conclusions, BluarianKnight drives hardened limbs into its abdomen. Luckyowl staggers, hears the words of its sibling-- its enemy--

Quote from: BluarianKnight's role PM
Death to the colony. Glory to the colony.

--and then there is violence, and then there is nothing.



BluarianKnight regards the fruit of its labor: two bodies, inert. Its ally is dead now, so much useless flesh-- but that, perhaps, was inevitable. There will be other allies. It will raise them itself.

BluarianKnight consumes the tissue of the slain, and sets about the long task of parthenogenesis. The new births will be patterened off its own mind. The titan's whispers will guide them all.

The titan's whispers will show them war.


(https://imgur.com/iCEbsXo.png)



TricMagic has been lynched. TricMagic was a Vanilla Townie.
Luckyowl has been endgamed. Luckyowl was a Vanilla Townie.
BluarianKnight (mafia flagbearer) has won!
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - End: Death to the colony (scum win)
Post by: Superdorf on February 23, 2021, 11:16:49 pm
Scumchat: https://www.quicktopic.com/53/H/qX5sFzN62Tn
Deadchat: https://www.quicktopic.com/53/H/zrAg8cbscSbQm

Thanks for playing, everyone! Congratulations to Yellow Pixel and BluarianKnight for their impressive debut.
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - End: Death to the colony (scum win)
Post by: BluarianKnight on February 23, 2021, 11:19:39 pm
I.. should not have won this game.

I don't know how I won this.

If I had been facing anyone else on the roster, I wouldn't have had a damn chance. Barely did anyhow.

Good game everyone!
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - End: Death to the colony (scum win)
Post by: Luckyowl on February 23, 2021, 11:26:20 pm
I.. should not have won this game.

I don't know how I won this.

If I had been facing anyone else on the roster, I wouldn't have had a damn chance. Barely did anyhow.

Good game everyone!

to be honest, it's hard to decide if TRM is scum or scum-town. To be honest. The whole rooster was actually scum vs scum-town. If SD traded spot with TRM it would've been me and SD bickering and then you would've slide in for a hammer. Town was doom from the very start. I am afraid.
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - End: Death to the colony (scum win)
Post by: Luckyowl on February 23, 2021, 11:32:16 pm
SD was too busy trying to make me the scum on the basis of probability instead of actual gameplay. I think the scummiest thing I have done was starting a bandwagon against SD I wish Tric didn't vote SD to be honest. But in hindsight I was right on my second post on day 2 that the FB would've most likely stay way from voting in fear of being VK. What got to me was that fear that TRM might actually try and pull a gambit.
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - End: Death to the colony (scum win)
Post by: ToonyMan on February 23, 2021, 11:49:57 pm
Oof.

BK is scary, didn't even vote Day 1.
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - End: Death to the colony (scum win)
Post by: Skynet on February 24, 2021, 08:02:40 am
Yeah, I thought TricMagic was scum and was shocked to find out it was BK instead. I love the fluff, by the way, Superdorf...thanks for writing it.
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - Day 2: Unblemished tissue
Post by: TricMagic on February 24, 2021, 08:25:29 am
you know what, I'll go for the most logical reason:

TricMagic is flagbeaerer, and did a WIFOM at the beginning hoping for a lucky gambit. But when I voted against him and SD followed suit all we needed was BK. But, of course I wanted to apply pressure onto SD hoping  to get more info out of him. In my changing of votes TricMagic and YP took the opportunity to hammer SD in hoping that SD will vengekill me or YP. Either giving the mafia a win or allow a second chance for the mafia to win in LYLO.

at the end. I think TricMagic is scum. BK have been acting more townie and sure they could be a scum who is good at acting townie. But it's whatever. I'll place my vote onto TricMagic.


If BK turn out to be mafia. GG well played.
Logic<Luckyowl.

Lost my post. TLDR, I always get sleephammered, LO gave BK the ability to defend but not TM the ability to refute. Cause he was asleep. Luckyowl should trust his gut more.


... This post also says one more was needed, But I Pushed for BK to vote. Not to lurk, but vote, even if it was for me. He didn't. That alone speaks volumes and is way too risky for a flagbearer of any sanity.


Well, decent job swaying the Luckyowl. This kinda reinforces the need to remove him before this point, but he'll still get lucky enough by den of mafia not killing and town searching for mafia.



Everyone finds me scummy, but I'm just bombastic when I think I can get away ith it. LO had it right on his first reasoning post. Hence the whole Miller Claim when I am one. In NQT's mafia I would have revealed myself as Vulture, and in hindsight that would have been a far better thing to do than stay silent.
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - End: Death to the colony (scum win)
Post by: Superdorf on February 24, 2021, 11:51:09 am
I love the fluff, by the way, Superdorf...thanks for writing it.

D'aw, thanks :)
Was very strange fluff, so I wasn't too sure how it'd go over-- nice to know somebody noticed. Was good fun to write!
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - End: Death to the colony (scum win)
Post by: Yellow Pixel on February 24, 2021, 12:01:45 pm
I really enjoyed my first game of mafia! I had an excellent partner and the shroom flavored mind-flesh was very succulent indeed.

Also, going back to when I hammered Secret, after analyzing the situation, I thought Blue would seem just enough town-like and Tric just enough scum-like... Then the two of them made pretty good attacks, pretty good defences... But my move ultimately tipped the scale in favor of the dark side! :D
Title: Re: Vengeful Mafia 14 - Day 2: Unblemished tissue
Post by: Luckyowl on February 24, 2021, 12:49:19 pm
you know what, I'll go for the most logical reason:

TricMagic is flagbeaerer, and did a WIFOM at the beginning hoping for a lucky gambit. But when I voted against him and SD followed suit all we needed was BK. But, of course I wanted to apply pressure onto SD hoping  to get more info out of him. In my changing of votes TricMagic and YP took the opportunity to hammer SD in hoping that SD will vengekill me or YP. Either giving the mafia a win or allow a second chance for the mafia to win in LYLO.

at the end. I think TricMagic is scum. BK have been acting more townie and sure they could be a scum who is good at acting townie. But it's whatever. I'll place my vote onto TricMagic.


If BK turn out to be mafia. GG well played.
Logic<Luckyowl.

Lost my post. TLDR, I always get sleephammered, LO gave BK the ability to defend but not TM the ability to refute. Cause he was asleep. Luckyowl should trust his gut more.


Yeah, I should've gone with my gut instead of letting BK defend himself. If I ever find myself in a situation like this I'll just vote with my gut. Heck the whole logical reason for voting you wasn't that logical now think about it right now. The most logical reasoning was the FB staying low then trying to put themselves out there.