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Shonai_Dweller

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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #4230 on: May 10, 2016, 05:16:52 pm »

Why does carving a haft from a branch use carpentry instead of woodcrafting?
I assume it's because woodcrafting isn't implemented as adventurer skill yet, so having it use carpentry was the easier way. IIRC Toady mentioned that all the old workshops and assorted crafting skills were really old (non-OO) code and would have to be completely reimplemented one by one to be used in adventurer mode.

I can't find the specific quote, unfortunately.

As Putnam said, there's no sane reaction not to give haft-carving the woodcraft skill instead of the carpentry skill, especially as it doesn't use the building.

EDIT: Another question.

Why are splints craftable? You can't use them in adventure mode yet.
So that you can embark next to hut full of splints to help kick start your fortress.
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #4231 on: May 10, 2016, 05:37:07 pm »

Why is the dwarven calendar the way it is? 336 days, 12 months, 7-day weeks, four weeks in a month. Why not something smoother? Like maybe 360 days, 12 months, 6-day weeks, five weeks in a month?

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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #4232 on: May 10, 2016, 06:01:55 pm »

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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #4233 on: May 10, 2016, 07:15:21 pm »

Why is the dwarven calendar the way it is? 336 days, 12 months, 7-day weeks, four weeks in a month. Why not something smoother? Like maybe 360 days, 12 months, 6-day weeks, five weeks in a month?
Seven-day weeks are more familiar to players who grew up on Earth.  And since reskinning 30/31 day months would seem cheap, the best solution was lunar months that happen to be four weeks long.

The calendar might get a fresh look when Toady gets around to celestial bodies.
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #4234 on: May 11, 2016, 10:29:32 am »

They aren't lunar months.

DF has 13 lunar cycles per year.
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #4235 on: May 11, 2016, 10:46:52 am »

They aren't lunar months.

DF has 13 lunar cycles per year.
I was going off the werebeast example interaction, which is active from "day 27" until "day 0" of the moon phase implying a cycle at least 28 days long (and probably exactly 28 days long).  But the wiki has 13 full-moon dates throughout the year, the first being the 25th day of the year.

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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #4236 on: May 11, 2016, 01:02:43 pm »

I'm really glad you are finally taking stabs at making the 64 bits version. What forced you to take this step? There was something specific or simply to allow us have bigger games? What would be the main (practical)differences between the 32 and 64 versions for us players?

Also, and feel free not to answer this if you don't want. Would you consider multi-threading on the long run?
I know is not quite the same to do so, but it would go great lengths to help make a better game, specially if the number of cores keep increasing. Given how dwarf fortress is being developed I think is quite important to aim it to (albeit slowly) take advantages of technologies looming on the horizon (once you know it's actually going to be catchy/common).
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« Reply #4237 on: May 11, 2016, 06:08:48 pm »

Toady talked about optimization and multi-threading (and lack of need to do so) in the podcast posted on March 13th devlog. Towards the end, during the Q&A.
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« Reply #4238 on: May 11, 2016, 06:12:57 pm »

Which makes his complete 180 on that, making 64-bit a "soon" thing, highly confusing.

Even more confusing, we were all hyped for this alleged myth system. I thought it was also soon, but the 43.01 post made literally no mention of it whatsoever. Not even saying something like "still working on it" or "other priorities have crept up" or anything to explain. :V
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« Reply #4239 on: May 11, 2016, 08:17:40 pm »

Which makes his complete 180 on that, making 64-bit a "soon" thing, highly confusing.

Even more confusing, we were all hyped for this alleged myth system. I thought it was also soon, but the 43.01 post made literally no mention of it whatsoever. Not even saying something like "still working on it" or "other priorities have crept up" or anything to explain. :V
Myth gen is the next cycle after this one. We're not finished with this cycle yet (despite the version number increasing). The plan, which hasn't changed or reversed, is and always has been:

1.Bug squishing and features for 42.x (so many features it became 43.x)
2.64 bit test release
3. Begin next big cycle - artifacts and mythgen (probably a year's work despite good intentions).

We're still in 1) right now - have been since January.
You're confused because Toady made a prototype of one of the features of the next cycle (mythgen) for a conference.
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #4240 on: May 11, 2016, 08:33:15 pm »

Ah. That explains it. Time-travelling hype from the future. ;w;
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« Reply #4241 on: May 11, 2016, 09:24:11 pm »

64 bits will allow larger forts and longer histories without crashing the game from running out of memory. There are also some highly technical optimizations C++ compilers can do for 64 bit programs but I don't remember the details.
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #4242 on: May 11, 2016, 10:04:26 pm »

Though again, when did Toady change his mind on that? owo
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #4243 on: May 11, 2016, 10:15:53 pm »

The plan was always 64-bit before artifacts AFAIK.

The earliest mention I can find is right here. He also mentioned doing the 64-bit test before the artifact release the first day of the year.
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #4244 on: May 11, 2016, 10:38:16 pm »

Toady, do you intend for plants with the same name as RL plants to share as many properties with the RL plants as possible?

If that's vague/confusing, here's a more concrete question: Is the bayberry tree supposed to act like real-life bayberry trees do, as much as possible?

(see here)

Edit: Not sure why I thought I was supposed to bold my questions. Makes it hard as circus to read.
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