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[Urist Tilaturist]

Many people have died if poison gas in mines, and we are slightly smarter than dwarves. Dwarves could just try to flee to the surface if others around them were passing out or dying from it. Mining is extremely dangerous even for those not permanently drunk.

I have dfhack installed, but have never actually used it. How are tunnelling invaders enabled? How good is the plugin?

DF is more hard to learn than hard to play, I agree, and I think that should change. There should be tutorials and easier UI for new players, and things like mining and farming should be much harder to compensate.

[Dozebôm Lolumzalìs]

Personally, I don't think that we need poop in DF.

[Vattic]

I have dfhack installed, but have never actually used it. How are tunnelling invaders enabled? How good is the plugin?

When I used it I never gave them much chance to dig and only saw them tearing down walls a couple of times. You can find it here, but it doesn't look like it's compatible with the newest version of DF. You'd have to go back to 0.34.11 to try it.

[lethosor]

I have dfhack installed, but have never actually used it. How are tunnelling invaders enabled? How good is the plugin?

When I used it I never gave them much chance to dig and only saw them tearing down walls a couple of times. You can find it here, but it doesn't look like it's compatible with the newest version of DF. You'd have to go back to 0.34.11 to try it.

Wrong - 0.34.11 was the first version that the diggingInvaders plugin was compatible with, but it has been included in every DFHack version since then.
Edit: The reason for that thread was that the plugin was being developed under 0.34.11, when DFHack releases were less frequent than they are now, so expwnent was only distributing builds of the plugin in that thread (which were usable with DFHack 0.34.11-r4).

Edit 2:

I have dfhack installed, but have never actually used it.

If you haven't made any DFHack-related changes, you probably are using many of its features (such as the search plugin, which provides search controls on many screens, parts of the tweak plugin, which fixes/improves the UI in various ways, dwarfmonitor, which displays date/weather/happiness information, etc.).

[Vattic]

I stand corrected. Couldn't find any mention of it in the DFHack readme.

[Urist Tilaturist]

I have the dfhack search functions, but I have not made changes to it. How can I activate digging invaders?

[lethosor]

"enable diggingInvaders" should work (the enable/disable commands work for most, if not all, plugins that can be enabled/disabled).

[Uzu Bash]

Look at the grazing requirements of some of these animals. Where do you suppose all that vegetation goes? Have you ever been near a cow in it's own habitat? They're a far more renewable source of fertilizer than all those trees you're turning into potash.

[Urist Tilaturist]

Look at the grazing requirements of some of these animals. Where do you suppose all that vegetation goes? Have you ever been near a cow in it's own habitat? They're a far more renewable source of fertilizer than all those trees you're turning into potash.

Absolutely.

[GoblinCookie]

Look at the grazing requirements of some of these animals. Where do you suppose all that vegetation goes? Have you ever been near a cow in it's own habitat? They're a far more renewable source of fertilizer than all those trees you're turning into potash.

The cows do not add fertility to the enviroment, they merely recycle it.  What actually adds fertility to the enviroment is nitrogen fixing plants like clover. 

[Urist Tilaturist]

True, but if the cows did not excrete, nutrition would be taken from the soil and not replaced. Manure returns it.

[Urist McGoombaBrother]

I would go so far to say, there even need to be different kind of fecals. Seriously. Fecals are one of the prime health indicators. Let's say you inspect a pile of junk. Then you can get one of several different descriptions. "Those are the fecals of Urist McPoopedThere. Everything seems normal." That's the best thing you can get. Others can be. "He seems to suffer light diarrhea/costiveness." This can indicate one of various issues. E.g. unbalanced nutrition or the beginning of an illness while heavy diarrhea/costiveness indicates that the illness broke out already. And when "contains blood" is added, Urist McPoor might be already in serious trouble. Depending on how often you get the various messages, it might be either a desease of only one or a few of your dwarfes or a serious plague endangering the entire fortress. Countermeasures like medicine or even quarantine in highly virulant cases need to be considered. But I guess that's far beyond the scope of simple sewer management, which was suggested initially. However, DF never attempted to be simple anyway. ;-)

[Deboche]

That's a good idea too. If they get in contact with some sort of magical infection it could say "These feces are purple in color. They seem to move of their own accord."

Also,

Urist, I don't think our dragon is in good shape.

[Urist Tilaturist]

The possibility of dark magic animating crap and causing it to attack dwarves makes me even more eager to see it added to the game.

[Symmetry]

Except Toady has never said clearly either way. I may be mistaken, but I did some digging to try and find a definitive answer and that resulted in my first post in this thread.

Even if Toady had said either way a discussion wouldn't be unreasonable. Admittedly this debate has happened a number of times. I'd be surprised if there are any, but new points should be added to one of those threads.

In the quote I remember about this Toady said something along the lines of it could work, but he doesn't want to add any more breaks or actions to dwarves that get in the way of their work.  They already spend ages wandering off to eat, drink, sleep, party etc.

I want sewage in for lots of reasons but he's right, the core gameplay of how dwarves make decisions would need to be overhauled.  It could already do with something, like a dwarf knowing he'll be in the mines all day so he should take a packed lunch, or realising he doesn't need to go back to his own bed right now and can use a nearby bunk instead.  I think people then suggested just doing it right after eating or something so we can have toilets near dining rooms.

I'm annoyed I can't find the quote, it was a transcript of something.  Maybe a DFTalk or maybe an external interview.
He may have changed his mind since then.

But anyway, the point about action selection in dwarves is probably worth a suggestion thread of its own if we don't have one.