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Title: Urge to wipe out the human race: Rising
Post by: lordcooper on October 19, 2011, 06:41:43 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGwqZWHUZ0w&feature=channel_video_title

NSFW or those of a delicate disposition.

A toddler is struck by two trucks in separate hit and run accidents.  Nineteen people passing by ignore her.  I can hardly believe any human could be this fucking heartless.
Title: Re: Urge to wipe out the human race: Rising
Post by: mainiac on October 19, 2011, 06:43:16 am
That's horrific.
Title: Re: Urge to wipe out the human race: Rising
Post by: Vector on October 19, 2011, 06:52:47 am
Some actual content warnings would be cool.  I'm not jumping into a youtube link rated "horrific" without any actual idea as to what occurs.
Title: Re: Urge to wipe out the human race: Rising
Post by: lordcooper on October 19, 2011, 06:53:50 am
Some actual content warnings would be cool.  I'm not jumping into a youtube link rated "horrific" without any actual idea as to what occurs.

Sure, my bad.  I'll update the OP now.
Title: Re: Urge to wipe out the human race: Rising
Post by: Vector on October 19, 2011, 06:54:56 am
Some actual content warnings would be cool.  I'm not jumping into a youtube link rated "horrific" without any actual idea as to what occurs.

Sure, my bad.  I'll update the OP now.

Thanks muchly =)
Title: Re: Urge to wipe out the human race: Rising
Post by: Dsarker on October 19, 2011, 06:56:17 am
That's horrific indeed.
Title: Re: Urge to wipe out the human race: Rising
Post by: GTM on October 19, 2011, 07:09:35 am
If you dig into some of the facts, there's a legal precedent in China where a good Samaritan can actually be blamed for the damage.  As a result, scammers have used feigned injuries to extort/defraud money out of people.

For those of you in the States, it's similar to dragging someone from a burning car and having them sue you for letting glass cut them or not keeping their spine straight enough to avoid further injury.

Also: kitty genovese, the famous psych 101 case.
Title: Re: Urge to wipe out the human race: Rising
Post by: lordcooper on October 19, 2011, 07:12:44 am
Infants with crushed legs don't tend to be scammers in my fairly limited experience.  And seriously, what kind of twisted person would even think of any financial consequences when it comes to helping a child in serious need?
Title: Re: Urge to wipe out the human race: Rising
Post by: kaijyuu on October 19, 2011, 07:17:11 am
Does no one else see irony in the title ("wiping out the human race") when we're talking about how heinous a murder is?
Title: Re: Urge to wipe out the human race: Rising
Post by: Dsarker on October 19, 2011, 07:32:26 am
We're talking about the difference between wishing some group of people or person dead because we don't like them, and just simply letting someone die because you don't care enough.
Title: Re: Urge to wipe out the human race: Rising
Post by: kaijyuu on October 19, 2011, 07:37:12 am
And you're saying the latter is worse? O.o

I realize he's not being serious, but this sort of thing bugs me. Threatening disproportionate retribution is fine in jest... but stuff like this isn't to jest about.

But whatever. It's offtopic.
Title: Re: Urge to wipe out the human race: Rising
Post by: Chattox on October 19, 2011, 09:32:20 am
What I don't understand is why the first truck accelerated suddenly. Was the driver actually aiming for the child?
Title: Re: Urge to wipe out the human race: Rising
Post by: PTTG?? on October 19, 2011, 09:51:50 am
There are no good samaritan laws; if you help and the child dies, then you are very likely to be sued.
Title: Re: Urge to wipe out the human race: Rising
Post by: Urist Mcinternetuser on October 19, 2011, 09:55:39 am
I saw this two days ago, it made me think that people are evil. If the first truck did hit him on accident, he obviously felt the bump. Then he stopped, thought about pulling th kid out, and kept on going. The people who walked by make me sick, and the second van could have easily swerved. People are scum, who only care about themselves.
Title: Re: Urge to wipe out the human race: Rising
Post by: Twiggie on October 19, 2011, 10:00:26 am
inb4 ridiculous generalisations

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Title: Re: Urge to wipe out the human race: Rising
Post by: ChairmanPoo on October 19, 2011, 10:12:37 am
Are we profficient this is real?
Title: Re: Urge to wipe out the human race: Rising
Post by: PTTG?? on October 19, 2011, 10:33:03 am
Would you stop to help an obviously dying child if there was a good chance you (and your family) would be economically crippled for life?
Title: Re: Urge to wipe out the human race: Rising
Post by: Urist Mcinternetuser on October 19, 2011, 10:41:22 am
Would you stop to help an obviously dying child if there was a good chance you (and your family) would be economically crippled for life?
...Yes. Even knowing the risks, I could literally not just walk past a small child who had just been ran over by a truck.
Title: Re: Urge to wipe out the human race: Rising
Post by: darkflagrance on October 19, 2011, 10:47:45 am
I've heard that people are accusing the Good Samaritan of having only stopped to help the child for the fame.
Title: Re: Urge to wipe out the human race: Rising
Post by: lordcooper on October 19, 2011, 10:58:27 am
Would you stop to help an obviously dying child if there was a good chance you (and your family) would be economically crippled for life?

Without a moment's hesitation.
Title: Re: Urge to wipe out the human race: Rising
Post by: Heliman on October 19, 2011, 11:03:22 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGwqZWHUZ0w&feature=channel_video_title

NSFW or those of a delicate disposition.

A toddler is struck by two trucks in separate hit and run accidents.  Nineteen people passing by ignore her.  I can hardly believe any human could be this fucking heartless.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhnN54tHjkI&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhnN54tHjkI&feature=related)
Title: Re: Urge to wipe out the human race: Rising
Post by: Urist Mcinternetuser on October 19, 2011, 11:10:21 am
Would you stop to help an obviously dying child if there was a good chance you (and your family) would be economically crippled for life?

Without a moment's hesitation.

Thank you, nice to see a fellow human.
Title: Re: Urge to wipe out the human race: Rising
Post by: Flying Dice on October 19, 2011, 11:39:19 am
That... I-I honestly can't express in words how disgusted I am. I think I might need to go throw up; that was one of the most horrific things I have ever seen. Fuck it, if I saw something like that happen, there is no way I wouldn't try to help. So I end up getting sued because there aren't Good Samaritan laws? Well, a human life is more important than my economic welfare.

Dammit, I try to be a reasonable, peaceful person, but if either of those drivers were in front of me right now, there is nothing that would keep me from trying to kill them.
Title: Re: Urge to wipe out the human race: Rising
Post by: Jopax on October 19, 2011, 11:45:01 am
It's all over now it seems, the girl died due to brain damage, i liked the explanation of her father on why the driver ran her over again, and his reason as to why he ran her over in the first place :I (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/world/passers-by-ignored-dying-child-who-was-run-over-twice-in-street-in-china/story-e6frf7lf-1226169281030?fb_ref=rec-top&fb_source=home_multiline)
Title: Re: Urge to wipe out the human race: Rising
Post by: Bohandas on October 19, 2011, 11:56:32 am
Would you stop to help an obviously dying child if there was a good chance you (and your family) would be economically crippled for life?

No, but I'd prpbably phone emergency services if it looked like nobody else had.
Title: Re: Urge to wipe out the human race: Rising
Post by: RedKing on October 19, 2011, 12:50:06 pm
Sadly, it's true. And a LOT of Chinese are shocked and outraged.

Also sadly...I can't say as I'm surprised. Living in a major Chinese city is an exercise in detachment. It has to be. There's just so much poverty and misery co-existing with modernity and opulence. And if you stop to give money to every beggar you see, that's all you'd do all day. If you stop to be horrified at the victims of industrial accidents, the ones missing arms and legs and faces...you'd never set foot outside again.

But this is a shocking low. Chinese tend to place a lot of value on children. The value of life may be low, especially in a place like Foshan where the population density is nearly 5000 people per square mile, but even so... :(  :'(
Title: Re: Urge to wipe out the human race: Rising
Post by: Heliman on October 19, 2011, 12:53:03 pm
But this is a shocking low. Chinese tend to place a lot of value on children.
Wasn't there a big thing about Chinese parents killing their female children, or was that just overplayed by the media?
Title: Re: Urge to wipe out the human race: Rising
Post by: darkflagrance on October 19, 2011, 12:59:12 pm
^Wasn't it more like abort female fetuses because of the one-child policy?

Even then, having it that the government had to enforce a law to act as contraception kinda proves the Chinese "value" of children.
Title: Re: Urge to wipe out the human race: Rising
Post by: RedKing on October 19, 2011, 01:04:17 pm
But this is a shocking low. Chinese tend to place a lot of value on children.
Wasn't there a big thing about Chinese parents killing their female children, or was that just overplayed by the media?
Overplayed. It does still happen in rural areas sometimes, but the government has relaxed the one-child policy in many cases in rural areas, so there's no longer as much incentive to commit infanticide. It should also be noted that China is hardly unique in the problem of female infanticide.

Look at the reaction of parents to the Sichuan school collapses, the melamine-milk scandals, the tainted antibiotics scandal, the poisoned cough syrup scandal....generally whenever a scandal has really caught fire in Chinese public opinion it's been the ones where children are harmed as a result. I think it's human nature. You can rationalize away abuses to adults by telling yourself that they somehow brought it on themselves or that they're guilty of something else. It's really, really difficult for even the most cynical, jaded human being to rationalize away abuses to a young child.

And yet, millions of children get abused and killed every year. And not just in the Third World. So yeah...humans are bastards. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HumansAreBastards)
Title: Re: Urge to wipe out the human race: Rising
Post by: Roboboy33 on October 19, 2011, 01:09:38 pm
Oh my fucking god. Those people... fuck them. They can sexually assaulted, ground into mush, that mush burned and then sent to hell. This is the worst thing I have seen in my life.
Title: Re: Urge to wipe out the human race: Rising
Post by: Doomchild- on October 19, 2011, 01:42:00 pm
the sad thing is... when watching this I felt a lot of things... but not surprise... even the 'justification' for driving on (basically, if the girl died it would cost him less) didn't surprise me...
dont get me wrong, there are a lot of great people out there, but as a whole... i lost faith in the human race long ago...
Title: Re: Urge to wipe out the human race: Rising
Post by: Svarte Troner on October 19, 2011, 02:16:09 pm
This is a prime example of the bystander effect (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect). Sure, it's really a pitiful reflection of human psychology, but things like this happen all the time. Not to sound morbid or anything, but if you were to leave your relatively comfortable life and live in sub-saharan Africa for example, you'd see things like this every day, and there would be nothing you could do about it.

Oh my fucking god. Those people... fuck them. They can sexually assaulted, ground into mush, that mush burned and then sent to hell. This is the worst thing I have seen in my life.

You may say that you would have helped, but 19 people ignored this girl. I doubt you are very much different from those 19 people and chances are you would have "ignored" this as well. It's not like those people were evil, they were scared and felt that someone else would help the girl (again, the bystander effect).
Title: Re: Urge to wipe out the human race: Rising
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on October 19, 2011, 02:51:05 pm
You may say that you would have helped, but 19 people ignored this girl. I doubt you are very much different from those 19 people and chances are you would have "ignored" this as well. It's not like those people were evil, they were scared and felt that someone else would help the girl (again, the bystander effect).
But most people here know about the bystander effect. We already know that if you are aware of the placebo effect and discover that what you are taking is a placebo it ceases to help you, so would those who know about the bystander effect also be "freed" from it?

By the way, that might make a good thesis experiment, if any of you are majoring in psychology.
Title: Re: Urge to wipe out the human race: Rising
Post by: TheBronzePickle on October 19, 2011, 02:57:57 pm
The issue with the bystander effect is that if you're not running on logic (someone who sees a toddler getting run over probably isn't going to be) you're probably not going to think about it until afterwards.

That doesn't mean that you can't resist the bystander effect, however, you just have to be trained to resist it on impulse.
Title: Re: Urge to wipe out the human race: Rising
Post by: sonerohi on October 19, 2011, 04:54:57 pm
I feel awful for the girl and her family. But I don't hold the passerby accountable in the slightest. And honestly, I would be a passerby in that scenario. I wish I could honestly say that I would stop and help, but I'm typing this twenty minutes after I watched it, having had time to calm down and detach myself. I can run pretty far in twenty minutes.
Title: Re: Urge to wipe out the human race: Rising
Post by: Telgin on October 19, 2011, 05:12:24 pm
I haven't watched the video, since I'm at work, but that does indeed sound quite horrible.  The explanation as to why it happened is even worse.

It's things like this that make me wonder just how far humanity will make it before it's strangled by the psychological holdovers from our ancient past.  In order to survive as cavemen we had to be selfish.  We had to hoard our resources and only render help to those in our "group".  To do otherwise would endanger your future.

There is enough "wealth" in the world that this need never be the case now, but because of the way humans are programmed we can't do that.  We could never spread all of the world's wealth evenly among everyone.  It just couldn't happen, because people are people.  There are just too many people who will do whatever they think they can get away with to put themselves at an advantage to everyone else.

The bit about even needing good Samaritan laws is another prime example here.  There shouldn't have to be a law protecting you from trying to help someone.  But people are people.  I understand that China is different from the US, and there are a million nuances to the Chinese situation that I'll never know or understand, but that transcends culture and place.

The unfortunate part is that by it being part of our nature, I don't know if we'll ever be able to overcome it entirely.  The only real solutions would either have just as many drawbacks or would never be accepted (such as forced worldwide directed evolution, how would you even accomplish that?)


Wow, that was a tangent, so at the expense of having wasted a small essay, I'll say that I don't know what I would have done in that situation.  In all honesty, I'd have probably done the same thing as the onlookers (if close to a score people did something, there's surely a reason behind it).  I would like to think that I would at least notify emergency personnel, but I have no idea how that works in China and for all I know one of the onlookers actually did this.  There's not a lot else you really can do and make a difference.
Title: Re: Urge to wipe out the human race: Rising
Post by: Jacob/Lee on October 19, 2011, 05:22:01 pm
Evil, evil people. Those two drivers can rot in hell, alongside all the people who just ignored her.
Title: Re: Urge to wipe out the human race: Rising
Post by: Dsarker on October 19, 2011, 06:00:26 pm
I could never just walk away from that.

I couldn't walk away from that if it was an animal, let alone a toddler.

I don't understand how anyone, let alone so many, could do this.

Money? I'm sorry, but if you see a 2 year old bleeding and writing in pain on the road, and your first thought is "Ehh, I could lose some money over this, better keep walking." then, seriously, **** you.

What if your first thought is that people are doing it deliberately, that the kid isn't in danger, and if you try to help, you'll be sued out of a house, you'll lose your job, and starve on the streets?
Title: Re: Urge to wipe out the human race: Rising
Post by: SalmonGod on October 19, 2011, 06:10:44 pm
I already know I'm too altruistic for my own good.  I've been tested on it.  I shouldn't even be posting on this subject, because I know if I actually watch that video, I'll get outraged too.  I got outraged at the bystanders in another recent video watching a group of cops beat a homeless man to death.  This one would just kill me.
Title: Re: Urge to wipe out the human race: Rising
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 19, 2011, 06:15:31 pm
I'll admit, I wouldn't have done anything. Either out of laziness or just not wanting to get my hands dirty or whatever.

But how did a 2-year old get out of sight/reach of its parents? If that were my kid, I would have kept them near me at all times rather than let them wander about.
Title: Re: Urge to wipe out the human race: Rising
Post by: Dsarker on October 19, 2011, 06:19:24 pm
What if your first thought is that people are doing it deliberately, that the kid isn't in danger, and if you try to help, you'll be sued out of a house, you'll lose your job, and starve on the streets?

Man, my eyes water when I step on snails accidentally.

I can not even begin to relate to that line of thought. I'd be way too worried to be skeptic, and later on I'd probably be overwhelmed with regret if I hadn't helped.

*Shrug.*

I'm not saying that you're wrong, or that your thinking isn't correct. But there is an insane logic in their behaviour.

And I hate that it is there.
Title: Re: Urge to wipe out the human race: Rising
Post by: Bohandas on October 19, 2011, 06:25:45 pm
The unfortunate part is that by it being part of our nature, I don't know if we'll ever be able to overcome it entirely.  The only real solutions would either have just as many drawbacks or would never be accepted (such as forced worldwide directed evolution, how would you even accomplish that?)

Well, the last time it was tried it involved first gathering several thousand canisters of Zyklon B, and then...
Title: Re: Urge to wipe out the human race: Rising
Post by: SalmonGod on October 19, 2011, 06:31:33 pm
It's cynicism.  It's one of the worst problems with humanity.  People act without compassion because they feel they must because they assume everyone else will act without compassion.  People have mountains of unspoken fear about each other that are mostly due to lack of communication.  Paranoia that could be cleared up so easily if people would just be straightforward and honest with each other.  And it becomes self-fulfilling prophecy when someone does something horrible because they believe they must to prevent someone else from doing something horrible to them.
Title: Re: Urge to wipe out the human race: Rising
Post by: darkflagrance on October 19, 2011, 07:07:46 pm
What if your first thought is that people are doing it deliberately, that the kid isn't in danger, and if you try to help, you'll be sued out of a house, you'll lose your job, and starve on the streets?

Man, my eyes water when I step on snails accidentally.

I can not even begin to relate to that line of thought. I'd be way too worried to be skeptic, and later on I'd probably be overwhelmed with regret if I hadn't helped.

*Shrug.*

If we assume that humans all have the capability for morality, imagine what the difference in upbringing and environment must be to create a society like that, where cold pragmatism prevails over empathy.

Or perhaps there are segments of the population that should be rightfully purged after all...
Title: Re: Urge to wipe out the human race: Rising
Post by: sonerohi on October 19, 2011, 07:22:36 pm
What if your first thought is that people are doing it deliberately, that the kid isn't in danger, and if you try to help, you'll be sued out of a house, you'll lose your job, and starve on the streets?

Man, my eyes water when I step on snails accidentally.

I can not even begin to relate to that line of thought. I'd be way too worried to be skeptic, and later on I'd probably be overwhelmed with regret if I hadn't helped.

*Shrug.*

If we assume that humans all have the capability for morality, imagine what the difference in upbringing and environment must be to create a society like that, where cold pragmatism prevails over empathy.

Or perhaps there are segments of the population that should be rightfully purged after all...

Nope. We are judging those passer-by by fourteen seconds. A blink within their lifetime. Insignificant in the scope of humanity. We don't know them in the slightest. No one is truly irredeemable.
Title: Re: Urge to wipe out the human race: Rising
Post by: Bohandas on October 19, 2011, 07:30:36 pm
You know, I'm suddenly struck by the question of whether anybody would have helped if it had been a little boy rather than a little girl.
Title: Re: Urge to wipe out the human race: Rising
Post by: ChairmanPoo on October 19, 2011, 07:37:09 pm
You're assuming they were able to tell, or bothered to do so
Title: Re: Urge to wipe out the human race: Rising
Post by: olemars on October 20, 2011, 01:48:57 am
When I visited Beijiing a few years back our official "tour guide" told us that we under no circumstances should stop and help if we saw an accident or even report it, just get the hell away from the scene. Chances were we would get in serious trouble with the police if we tried to do anything. I'm not sure if this was because we were foreigners or what.

We actually did see a car accident later the same day. Don't think there were any injuries, but we were shooed away quickly.
Title: Re: Urge to wipe out the human race: Rising
Post by: Jelle on October 20, 2011, 10:51:26 am
Jeez that's just sickening, those images will be burned in my eyes for several days to come.
I mean the actual scene was horrid, in a way understandable but by no means excusable, but what really bugs me is, for whatever reason, people there believe not helping one in need is perfectly normal and acceptable?!
I mean I don't know how far democracy goes over there so I can't tell if this mentality is a general consensus or not, but this really sickens me. I hate to generalize an entire culture but I didn't think it was humanly possible to have such a lack of morality, any society that believes this is acceptable and condone this should be deeply ashamed.
Just completely and utterly rediculous, how can people be so selfish, both for ignoring the child in this particular case, and snatching every bit of money out of someone who would help. Pah!
Title: Re: Urge to wipe out the human race: Rising
Post by: RedKing on October 20, 2011, 11:18:04 am
And this is what I figured the discussion would devolve into..."CHINESE IZ TEH EVAL!"

It's complicated. As I said, I am in no way surprised that this could happen in China. And at the same time, this is not at all typical or representative of China. I really don't know how to explain it, I wish I did. China has some major problems, and social isolation and the dehumanizing effect of urbanization is one of them. It's counterintuitive unless you've lived in a truly large city, but when you live in a metro area with a population larger than many countries (the greater Shanghai metro is over 80 million people and it's the only place I've ever been where I felt physically ill just from the SIZE of it), you wind up more isolated and alone than you could possibly imagine.

The Japanese have understood this for some time. And now China is on the verge of becoming the sort of brutalist, hi-tech dystopia that the cyberpunk genre predicted for Japan. Plus as some have alluded to, China is not known for being amenable for people trying to do the right thing. For those folks who have watched some of my Livestreams, you'll remember the Chinese legal system as it's presented in the movies -- the judge just wants to be done with the case so he's not all that interested in finding out the truth, and the standard procedure was to torture both defendant *and* plaintiff. Because justice wasn't about fairness, it was about "restoring harmony". It's like the parent who intercedes in a fight between siblings by punishing both of them. Because they don't care who started it, they're just pissed that you couldn't work this out on your own.  :-\
Title: Re: Urge to wipe out the human race: Rising
Post by: Itnetlolor on October 20, 2011, 12:26:59 pm
Instead of wiping out the human race, I think a far crueler punishment would be to make them immortal, but never heal from their wounds, yet still feel pain, and continue living no matter what injury befalls them (even fatal ones). Considering the average injury or injuries an human being acquires on a daily basis (the most mundane to a small cut/graze from a corner or walking on rough surfaces, or a bruise from walking into something), and the fact that such pain would stack overtime; have fun "insensitive" immortals. Even in a week or few, you'll be living in eternal misery for the rest of your life; which you can't end either, and suicide would only make it worse since you can never actually/entirely die. Severing limbs won't make things any easier (to sever a connection to a bigger collection of accumulated pain) either since you'll have the cut point as a constant pain point (and receiver since it's freshly sensitive after exposure as well) as well.

Oh, and as a contingency plan, the brain can also feel pain now; just in case you intend to cut off your pain receptors or motor nerve clusters.

Man, considering such a punishment, death is actually a blessing or an act of mercy, by comparison.

Back on topic, yeah; What the hell, Humanity? (And I'm one to talk, with that punishment above. :\ )

EDIT:
[derail]
This is kinda why nothing scares me or shocks me anymore. Horror movies only bother me, rather than entertain or scare me (unless it's an actually good one like The Thing (original and James Cameron)). I mean, on this tangent, if I were in a horror movie, I would know the quickest and most efective/efficient way of out-pacing the bad guy, and actually taking his place (by being more legitimately terrifying than them) until they learn their lesson. And that's when I'm being merciful. Without mercy, I would invoke the example above by request to God (or my own means) whether I get offed by the bad guy or not, and maybe come back as a zombie as well to add to the fear factor if I were offed.


[/derail]

EDIT EDIT:
Sorry, rapid-editing again. ;D

Other things I would be doing if not merciful... well, just look at the many many things I listed in the Bay-12ers Not Allowed to do in RPGs thread. I define Complete Monster there, and even I admit it. I mean, in case I ever do go to Hell (God forbid), I have a few acres reserved for a nice little cottage and demon-cattle ranching or something. Or at least, a broodwich deli-ingredient provider.
Title: Re: Urge to wipe out the human race: Rising
Post by: Necro910 on October 20, 2011, 12:47:44 pm
Instead of wiping out the human race, I think a far crueler punishment would be to make them immortal, but never heal from their wounds, yet still feel pain, and continue living no matter what injury befalls them (even fatal ones). Considering the average injury or injuries an human being acquires on a daily basis (the most mundane to a small cut/graze from a corner or walking on rough surfaces, or a bruise from walking into something), and the fact that such pain would stack overtime; have fun "insensitive" immortals. Even in a week or few, you'll be living in eternal misery for the rest of your life; which you can't end either, and suicide would only make it worse since you can never actually/entirely die. Severing limbs won't make things any easier (to sever a connection to a bigger collection of accumulated pain) either since you'll have the cut point as a constant pain point (and receiver since it's freshly sensitive after exposure as well) as well.

Oh, and as a contingency plan, the brain can also feel pain now; just in case you intend to cut off your pain receptors or motor nerve clusters.

Man, considering such a punishment, death is actually a blessing or an act of mercy, by comparison.

Back on topic, yeah; What the hell, Humanity? (And I'm one to talk, with that punishment above. :\ )

This is kinda why nothing scares me or shocks me anymore. Horror movies only bother me, rather than entertain or scare me (unless it's an actually good one like The Thing (original and James Cameron)). I mean, on this tangent, if I were in a horror movie, I would know the quickest and most efective/efficient way of out-pacing the bad guy, and actually taking his place (by being more legitimately terrifying than them) until they learn their lesson
See: Overdose of painmedication (rendering unconscious), then prompt incineration. Problem solved  :P

This is kinda why nothing scares me or shocks me anymore. Horror movies only bother me, rather than entertain or scare me (unless it's an actually good one like The Thing (original and James Cameron)). I mean, on this tangent, if I were in a horror movie, I would know the quickest and most efective/efficient way of out-pacing the bad guy, and actually taking his place (by being more legitimately terrifying than them) until they learn their lesson
I'd do the same thing. Grab my ol' rusty hatchet, couple knives, and ignore the gun safe. Hell, why not throw together a couple 'nades from the cleaning closet!

See: Make landmines out of bleach, then immolate the antagonist  :P
Title: Re: Urge to wipe out the human race: Rising
Post by: lordcooper on October 20, 2011, 12:55:23 pm
Have Itnetlolor and Necro910 been watching Torchwood perchance?
Title: Re: Urge to wipe out the human race: Rising
Post by: Itnetlolor on October 20, 2011, 12:57:33 pm
Have Itnetlolor and Necro910 been watching Torchwood perchance?
Not really, I thought that up. But I would imagine you're referencing Captain Jack Harkness, and how he can't die?

Actually, I had that punishment idea in mind for a fairly good amount of time (during my darker days, just about when I lost faith in almost all of mankind).
Title: Re: Urge to wipe out the human race: Rising
Post by: lordcooper on October 20, 2011, 01:00:40 pm
Have Itnetlolor and Necro910 been watching Torchwood perchance?
Not really, I thought that up. But I would imagine you're referencing Captain Jack Harkness, and how he can't die?

Actually, I had that punishment idea in mind for a fairly good amount of time (during my darker days, just about when I lost faith in almost all of mankind).

Watch Miracle Day (the fourth series.)  Everyone becomes immortal.  And they don't heal like Jack normally does.
Title: Re: Urge to wipe out the human race: Rising
Post by: RedKing on October 20, 2011, 01:01:19 pm
Bay12 Users: More disturbing than China.
Title: Re: Urge to wipe out the human race: Rising
Post by: Hiiri on October 20, 2011, 01:01:38 pm
Well, a human life is more important than my economic welfare.

I don't believe anyone saying this for one second. There are a bunch of children in Somalia starving right now, and since you possess a computer and electricity (and most likely well fed), I'm going to assume you haven't given away your economic welfare.

It's always so easy to criticize people from the distance, but we can't really know what we'd do if we were living in their shoes.

"A bunch of teenagers are kicking one laying on the ground, and the crowd does nothing!"; I bet we've all heard this one a million times.
Title: Re: Urge to wipe out the human race: Rising
Post by: lordcooper on October 20, 2011, 01:04:05 pm
"A bunch of teenagers are kicking one laying on the ground, and the crowd does nothing!"; I bet we've all heard this one a million times.

Yup.  Seen it a few times too.  Most of them have ended with me also getting my ass kicked when I try to help.  Which was worth t.
Title: Re: Urge to wipe out the human race: Rising
Post by: Itnetlolor on October 20, 2011, 01:10:03 pm
Have Itnetlolor and Necro910 been watching Torchwood perchance?
Not really, I thought that up. But I would imagine you're referencing Captain Jack Harkness, and how he can't die?

Actually, I had that punishment idea in mind for a fairly good amount of time (during my darker days, just about when I lost faith in almost all of mankind).
Watch Miracle Day (the fourth series.)  Everyone becomes immortal.  And they don't heal like Jack normally does.
Forgot about that. Didn't realize that was what was going on.

Bay12 Users: More disturbing than China.
That sounds sig-worthy.

"A bunch of teenagers are kicking one laying on the ground, and the crowd does nothing!"; I bet we've all heard this one a million times.
Yup.  Seen it a few times too.  Most of them have ended with me also getting my ass kicked when I try to help.  Which was worth t.
I can recall a moment or 2 (most recent incident being at a tavern) where I was on the ass-end of an ass-kicking, and although they outnumbered the person/people attacking me, nobody (especially that I knew that also claimed to "back me up if anyone messes with me") bothered to help. They didn't pull the guy(s) away from me; no, their method of "helping" was to keep telling the person swinging and kicking away to "Stop that.". No exclamation either. It would only be fridge brilliance if they knew what I was capable of, and were warning them that if I actually do fight back, I might accidentally kill them in a single swing/hit.

That is until I actually bothered to put some effort (mostly out of annoyance of my nearby "companions") into getting out of the beatdown and much like you see in an anime or comic, threw my attackers out of range by getting up. It gets funny when I receive a barrage of violent threats, and my only response is "Is that all? Are you finished?" and walk away without any sign of pain or care; adding to it, I'm never bothered again for the rest of the night (and the offending party most likely getting kicked out by the late bouncers). At least I can win a fight without needing to fight. Of course, with a severe drop in respect towards my so-called "buddies" or associates.

EDIT:
With the crowd I was hanging out with, my attacker was outmatched/numbered 3:1. I didn't expect to be the one pulling the 3. The group I was with was useless, and we hung out at least a good half-hour or so before the incident too; and I think I even put out a vulnerable/harmless/defenseless vibe. What a shocker it must've been to see that I can actually take both a beating and hold my ground entirely on my own. That's a lifetime of bullying for ya. I'm a tank without looking the part.

Plus, if I saw a buddy of mine being attacked, or any general bystander; I would assess the situation, find the best course of action (verbal or non) and if one won't work, then try the other. Plus, it helps to know a few pressure points. There's a certain trick to putting your knee on the lower back of someone that disables their legs for a moment or 2. My brother used to do that to me years ago, and it was annoying as hell; mostly because you collapse without any control over it, and completely lose the function in your legs for about 5 seconds (took a good while for me to learn how to counter it; but only because it happened so many freaking times, and I learned exactly where the pressure point was and how to hit and guard it). However, it works, and would be the last thing most people would expect; especially when breaking up a fight. Much easier to pull off when you also pinch the pressure points along the shoulders to further slow them down by stopping blood flow to their arms and shutting those down as well for a couple seconds.

"Sorry, did your legs accidentally shutdown for a few seconds?"
/me collapses to the ground and is quickly subdued during their confusion.
Title: Re: Urge to wipe out the human race: Rising
Post by: lordcooper on October 20, 2011, 01:17:33 pm
To be fair to them, I generally wouldn't get involved in a fight between two people either.  At least that's fair, unless one person is severely outmatched or someone pulls out a weapon/doesn't stop when their opponent goes down.
Title: Re: Urge to wipe out the human race: Rising
Post by: Hiiri on October 20, 2011, 01:19:02 pm
"A bunch of teenagers are kicking one laying on the ground, and the crowd does nothing!"; I bet we've all heard this one a million times.

Yup.  Seen it a few times too.  Most of them have ended with me also getting my ass kicked when I try to help.  Which was worth t.

Then I applaud you, and am glad to hear that this kind of people still exist.

Still, most of the cases end up with bystanders doing nothing and people that weren't there gasp in horror. Most of us (me included) want to think we'd be the hero(ine) who does the right thing, but when we're actually there, we do a quick risk-gain assessment and walk along.
Title: Re: Urge to wipe out the human race: Rising
Post by: Necro910 on October 20, 2011, 01:19:52 pm
Have Itnetlolor and Necro910 been watching Torchwood perchance?
Never heard of it  :P

Does it relate to the "Guide to suicide as a god" or the "Murdering antagonists for fun and profit" bit?  :P
Title: Re: Urge to wipe out the human race: Rising
Post by: lordcooper on October 20, 2011, 01:23:58 pm
Have Itnetlolor and Necro910 been watching Torchwood perchance?
Never heard of it  :P

Does it relate to the "Guide to suicide as a god" or the "Murdering antagonists for fun and profit" bit?  :P

Both, but mostly the former :)
It's a pretty good Doctor Who spinoff series.

We're getting pretty off topic here though, so drop me a PM if you'd like a link to it.
Title: Re: Urge to wipe out the human race: Rising
Post by: scriver on October 20, 2011, 01:52:28 pm
To be fair, these people are not "just" risking their own economic welfare were they to intervene; they're also risking that of their spouses, kids and maybe even parents, siblings and in-laws who might depend on them. If your choice was between this kid and your own kids future, would it be as easy a choice?
Title: Re: Urge to wipe out the human race: Rising
Post by: Patchouli on October 20, 2011, 03:43:25 pm
I wish I could honestly say that I would stop and help, but I'm typing this twenty minutes after I watched it, having had time to calm down and detach myself. I can run pretty far in twenty minutes.
I'm agreeing with this.

I sometimes get the sort of thing where I'm walking with a destination in mind, and I see something which makes my head go into overdrive, thinking about what could be happening, what possible choices of actions are, and what would be best to do. By the time I come to a decision, I've either walked quite a distance away already, or someone has already stepped in. Usually, I get a gut feeling in my stomach that says, "Wow, I messed that one up."
Title: Re: Urge to wipe out the human race: Rising
Post by: SalmonGod on October 20, 2011, 03:46:12 pm
To be fair, these people are not "just" risking their own economic welfare were they to intervene; they're also risking that of their spouses, kids and maybe even parents, siblings and in-laws who might depend on them. If your choice was between this kid and your own kids future, would it be as easy a choice?

Yup.  Your attitude about being a hero changes drastically when you have other people who depend on you completely.

I think about this stuff a lot, so when I'm ever faced with the choice, I'll be prepared.  I'll do just about anything to help a person unless it involves a good chance of getting killed, crippled, or otherwise made unable to support my family.  My responsibility to them precedes and takes priority over my responsibility to anyone else.