Post by: Asheron on April 06, 2009, 04:15:45 pm
As with previous Total War games, Empire: Total War consists of two broad areas of gameplay: a turn-based campaign map that allows the user to move armies across the globe, conduct diplomacy, trade and other tasks needed to run their faction, and a real-time battle mode that enables players to direct the course of any battles that take place.
Empire: Total War features approximately fifty 18th century factions; however, only eleven of the most powerful and influential factions of the era are playable at the beginning. In western Europe, the main factions are Great Britain, France, the United Provinces, Sweden and Spain, while eastern Europe is represented by Prussia, Austria, Russia and Poland–Lithuania. In the Middle East, the Ottoman Empire is depicted as a dominating faction for Islam, while the Maratha Confederacy and Mughal Empire are the major powers on the Indian subcontinent.
The main campaign of Empire: Total War involves a player choosing a faction and moving to forge an empire across the 18th century world. Each faction controls various historical provinces, each with a central town and a port if they are coastal settlements. The player can produce armies and navies to take and defend provinces by military means, or adopt diplomacy and politics to make advances in the game. In addition, players can use economics and religion to their advantage, as well as clandestine means such as espionage and assassination.The campaign mode is turn-based, allowing the player to attend to all needs of their faction before ending their turn and allowing the artificial intelligence to make all other factions' moves. Each turn represents six months.
tl;dr: A very complex game of Risk.
I think most of you know Empire: Total War well enough, perhaps even have it, so a quickly copy-pasted explanation of wikipedia will do.
I'm planning to do a let's play of this game, which means that I will play the game and report about it in a ( hopefully ) funny and interesting way. However, you, the community, will also be able to do something! Advice and even decisions will be up to you!
First of all, I do not know yet which faction to use. I have played with every single one of them before but the Ottoman Empire, Sweden and France. I guess the Ottoman Empire would be a good challenge to play.
The difficulty will be on HARD.
Also, I need ministers. A minister of navy, justice, finance, diplomacy and military affairs. Depending with which faction we are playing, you'll have a lot or nothing to do. ( Austria has no ports and thus no navy at the start for example. ) If we are a republic, you'll be a happy minister, but you'll get changed by someone else every once and a while. If we are an absolute monarchy, be prepared to suck up to the king a lot. :D
Also, in-game characters die after so many turns, so everyone will have the chance to be a minister at one point.
I fear for the bugyness of the game a bit though. Sometimes the game will crash when ending the turn for no reason, so I'll have to save a lot.
Ministers
Minister of diplomacy: Servant Corps
Talk, bribe, scheme, plot!
Minister of finances: Boksi
Raise those taxes!
Minister of war and religion: Frelock
Keep the borders secure!
Minister of naval affairs: woose1
Keep the seas ours!
Minister of subterfuge and assassinations: Emperor_Jonathan
We have ways to make you talk!
Minister of justice and research: Aqizzar
Keep the peasantry shackled!
A quick rundown;
Great Britain; is easy to defend in Europe and has colonies in America.
France; has colonies in America, but will have to focus a lot in Europe too. Rather all-roundish.
Spain; has a lot of colonies and a lot of land in Europe, but it's all rather spread out.
The United Provinces; starts with a single province in Europe, America and India. They are quite rich, but they take some time to start rolling with. Very diplomatic and trade focused.
Sweden; Rather powerful from the beginning, but is bound to get in to war quickly with Denmark, Russia and/or Poland-Lithuania. Diplomatic and war focused.
Russia; Big, but surrounded by enemies and needs to develop a lot of land first if it wants to maintain a large army. War focused.
Poland-Lithuania; protected by Russia, but there will be a lot of tension and probably war at some point against Prussia and Austria. Rather hard to survive with. War and diplomatic focused.
Austria; Starts off strong and has many easy pickings around it. No ports at start though. WAR WAR WAR focused. Oh, and diplomatic too.
Ottoman Empire; Big, but hard to maintain. Are technologically somewhat backwards versus their European rivals. Trade and war focused. |||
Prussia; Starts off with two provinces that are unconnected. Has a strong army at start though. Is bound to fight Poland-Lithuania. Very war focused. Has trouble getting allies, next to the small German states.
Maratha Confederacy; Starts off with a few provinces in India, but in a very hostile area. The Mughal Empire to their north is at war with them from the start, and Mysore and Portugal ( both have 1 province in the area ) will attack the Confederacy in the beginning. They tend to have some financial troubles in the beginning.
War focused!
Post by: Boksi on April 06, 2009, 04:27:49 pm
Post by: Asheron on April 06, 2009, 04:30:23 pm
Post by: FoboslC on April 06, 2009, 04:31:24 pm
Post by: Aqizzar on April 06, 2009, 04:31:35 pm
Yeah sure, I'm in. I'll check it out some more after I get back from class. Anything in particular I should know, or will all relevant information be explained for me?
Post by: Asheron on April 06, 2009, 04:36:45 pm
Apparently I've already been committed to this. Advising on your actions, in a game I've never played.Well, a minister of justice will have to make sure the people stay content and generally not revolt. You do this by assigning how much we should spend in militia and building things that keep the people happy. I'll explain most of the stuff when we actually start, as some things are different for some factions.
Yeah sure, I'm in. I'll check it out some more after I get back from class. Anything in particular I should know, or will all relevant information be explained for me?
And don't worry, most stuff is rather logical.
You can compare the game to a very complex game of Risk.
Post by: Frelock on April 06, 2009, 04:37:50 pm
So can I be like the senate in Rome:Total War, and demand that you take settlements ridiculously far away from you whilst simultaneously declaring war on a civilization that you'd rather not have as your enemy?
Also, how skilled of a general are you? Can you win most engagements if you fight them yourself, or do you usually just let the auto-combat take care of it, as you have little skill in that area?
Post by: Asheron on April 06, 2009, 04:50:19 pm
I'd be willing to be minister of war. Though I've never played Empire, I've played Rome and Medieval 2, so I know a little bit about the Total War series.Well, you can be like that pesky senate, sure. As long as you serve the country's imperialistic needs.
So can I be like the senate in Rome:Total War, and demand that you take settlements ridiculously far away from you whilst simultaneously declaring war on a civilization that you'd rather not have as your enemy?
Also, how skilled of a general are you? Can you win most engagements if you fight them yourself, or do you usually just let the auto-combat take care of it, as you have little skill in that area?
I would think of myself as a rather good general.
I win most engagements rather decisively against the AI ( which is still somewhat poor ), and I'll be doing all the battles in this Let's Play personally, since I find auto-combat to be like cheating, especially in Empire ( I very rarely have kill ratio's of 50 - 1, but not THAT frequently ).
Armies are quite different in this game though. Cavalry is still important, but less than in previous games , and cannons are more important now ( I don't use them too much though ).
Also remember that a lot of the important buildings are now located on the countryside, so pillaging is now a lot more harmful. You can basically cut off all trade, stop all research and bring the population to rebelling.
Also, the AI is no longer asshat retarded when it comes to diplomacy, and will NOT attack you for no reason at all. Most of the time, they declare war when they have a reason, like when a new king comes to the throne ( a despute of succession they call it ). Protectorates and such are a lot more common ( you can bribe some of the micronations to become your protectorate ), and regions are now far more used. The AI is also more likely to ask for cease fire or to accept peace, even if it comes at a price, when they are losing.
Post by: FoboslC on April 06, 2009, 05:07:14 pm
Post by: Asheron on April 06, 2009, 05:08:50 pm
Whta about United Provinces.I'm willing to, but I can't stand the terrible Dutch voices
No, the United Provinces are good but the first turns tend to be boring with them.
Seriously though, the Dutch voice acting is TERRIBLE.
United Provines: +1 vote
Post by: Servant Corps on April 06, 2009, 05:23:36 pm
Post by: Asheron on April 06, 2009, 05:28:31 pm
Voting for the Ottoman Empire.+1 vote for the Ottoman Empire
Oh, I guess I'll vote too. Another +1 for the Ottoman Empire.
Post by: FoboslC on April 06, 2009, 05:30:14 pm
Post by: Asheron on April 06, 2009, 06:29:31 pm
Post by: woose1 on April 06, 2009, 06:32:54 pm
And I vote for Ottoman.
Post by: Asheron on April 06, 2009, 06:33:57 pm
Ooh! Can I join? Minister of military relations?
And I vote for Ottoman.
That would be the minister of diplomacy, which is already taken. Only the slot for minister of navy/sabotage and assasinations is still open.
Also, I promoted Frelock from minister of war to minister of war and religion!
Post by: woose1 on April 06, 2009, 06:35:18 pm
Post by: Jackrabbit on April 06, 2009, 06:35:22 pm
Ottomans +1!
Post by: Emperor_Jonathan on April 06, 2009, 06:36:03 pm
Post by: woose1 on April 06, 2009, 06:36:41 pm
EDIT: Oh, nevermind.
Post by: Asheron on April 06, 2009, 06:37:23 pm
So, it seems to be the Ottoman Empire. Let me fire up the game and post the intro.
Oh, and Emperor_Jonathan can take over the assassinations part if he wants to.
Post by: woose1 on April 06, 2009, 06:41:59 pm
... Or something along those lines.
Post by: Emperor_Jonathan on April 06, 2009, 06:42:53 pm
Post by: mainiac on April 06, 2009, 06:47:06 pm
Between the Murgals, the minor nation to your south and your capital, you have three schools and observatories for the taking, meaning that you can fairly easily become the most advanced nation in the world.
Post by: woose1 on April 06, 2009, 06:50:38 pm
If Woose1 will let me, I will take over the assassinations part.Yes, sure, but you and FoboslC will need to co-operate. So no assasinating the leader of Poland when we are trying to manipulate them to attack Austria.
Post by: Emperor_Jonathan on April 06, 2009, 06:51:10 pm
Post by: woose1 on April 06, 2009, 06:52:16 pm
But remember my orders....
*Glares at the Austrians*
Post by: Asheron on April 06, 2009, 07:25:05 pm
My name is Mustafa II, great ruler of this Empire, and under me is my competent cabinet of ministers.
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First of all, the Ottoman Empire needs to set priorities. Our borders are not well protected; our Balkan territories are easily taken if Austria decides to attack. However, we should neglect our allies and protectorates, the Crimean Khanate and the Barbary States. They need protection, most importantly, the Crimean Khanate from the Russians. We can not allow our arch enemy to gain a port in the Black Sea, and that way, an ability to
trade and build a fleet.
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Diplomatically seen, we are isolated. The only Europeans that can look at us without sniffing are the Swedes, and our only other allies are our protectorates. Austria remembers the last time when we were at war, and Russia is still at war with us.
Our navy is currently well in control of the Mediterrenean sea.
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This is a map of our most eastern regions. Persia is in relative peace with us, for so far.
So, first of all, the budget!
Navy - 1000 ( one unit of boats costs around 500 with and upkeep of around the 300, just to put it into perspective )
Army - 3000 ( a unit costs around 400-500, with an upkeep of around 200-300 )
Infrastructure and Buildings - 5000
Justice ( militia's etc ) - 1000
To my minister of war and religion
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Our armies are currently distributed as seen on the list. I would like you to inform me on where we should focus our forces, and whether we should already attack any province in particular. Naturally, give general orders on where to recruit what.
Also, many of the Balkan provinces that we captured are Orthodox instead of Muslim. Shall we move our Imams to the Balkan, where they can convert the population?
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The location of our Imams is given in the list hereby included.
To my minister of navy
My ports in Turkey are under your control. We can either build a lot of low-grade galleys, or a few high-grade ships with a lot of cannons, or, ofcourse, we can not expand our fleet at all to minimize upkeep. So far, we have no enemies on the seas, but we can move our fleet ahead of time so that we can strike in time on our enemies unsuspecting ports and fleets.
To my minister of diplomacy
Currently, we are at war with Russia. Most of the Europeans do not like us, as you can see on the first map I had my cartographers make. We should approach at least someone, if only for trade agreements. Naturally, when you feel we are ready, we could declare war on some of our neighbours...
I would gladly recieve your general directions on what to do ( and with who ).
To my minister of finances
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Added is a map depicting our tax rates and the current public order in our provinces. Raising the tax rates of the nobility will make them unhappy and lower the growth of wealth to the point where there will be a decline in wealth and thus taxes. Raising the tax rates of the peasantry will make them unhappy and will lower population growth, which will cause less ports and cities to appear, which can be used for convertion, more industry, more research or more happiness in a region. I ask you if any change in tax rate is needed to further our treasury. Our current income is 3320. ( Not that much, honestly )
To my minister of assassinations and subterfuge
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As you can see, we have a hashishin at our disposal in Georgia. He can sabotage, infiltrate and of course, "dispose" of our enemies. I require advice on the placement of this person.
To my minister of justice
The people are currently somewhat happy. I have given you a rather small budget, which will allow you to buy militias for three regions. These militias will be able to keep public order and defend in an emergency situations.
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Should we place militias in our eastern and more desolate regions, our in our Balkan territories? Naturally, we can also neglect building militias. Slight tax rate increases will not anger the people in problematic ways, but anything larger than slightly and we might have a few problematic regions.
Post by: Gunner-Chan on April 06, 2009, 07:27:00 pm
Post by: woose1 on April 06, 2009, 07:29:55 pm
And, as my first act as minister, I say build a ton of low-grade galleys, like the second-to-worse ship, and harass and plunder the sea area near Austria. But don't anger those italian guys.
Blockade any un-protected ports, and DONT ANGER THE ITALIAN GUYS.
I say invade by sea, not land.
Strike first, and strike hard.
Post by: Asheron on April 06, 2009, 07:32:44 pm
Just a heads up, FoboslC got muted. You'll need to replace him.Ouch. If this is true, his position is open.
Post by: Gunner-Chan on April 06, 2009, 07:33:48 pm
How?
Apparently he was being offensive. (http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=33469.msg498636#msg498636)
Post by: Asheron on April 06, 2009, 07:37:36 pm
Thanks for alerting me. His minister term was surprisingly short, I must say.How?
Apparently he was being offensive. (http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=33469.msg498636#msg498636)
Post by: Boksi on April 06, 2009, 07:38:42 pm
Post by: Asheron on April 06, 2009, 07:43:02 pm
Up the tax a teeny bit, try to wring out an extra hundred or so. Shouldn't be too much of a problem and it means we can give the minijustice a bit more cash and eventually balance the unhappiness out. Right?It won't be just an extra hundred, more like an extra 1000, you change the tax rates in slices of around 15 % if I recall correctly.
Post by: woose1 on April 06, 2009, 07:45:17 pm
Post by: Jackrabbit on April 06, 2009, 07:47:20 pm
piss me off enough and I'll start extorting huge amounts of cash from you with my armies.
Post by: Asheron on April 06, 2009, 07:48:46 pm
Does the populace in this game get angry if you lose alot of units, or lose alot of battles? I can't remember.Yes.
piss me off enough and I'll start extorting huge amounts of cash from you with my armies.All diplomacy comes down to this in the end. But diplomacy is a lot better in this game than in the previous.
Post by: woose1 on April 06, 2009, 07:50:14 pm
*Scoff*piss me off enough and I'll start extorting huge amounts of cash from you with my armies.All diplomacy comes down to this in the end. But diplomacy is a lot better in this game than in the previous.
Post by: Frelock on April 06, 2009, 07:52:03 pm
It seems clear to me that we need to shift our land army's focus northward. The Crimean Khanate should be our first priority. Immediately reinforce this area with all the troops in the East we can muster. We need to dissuade the Russsians from attacking by any means necessary. Also, we need to keep a buffer between their lands and ours.
However, our second priority should be the recently-acquired territories in the Balkans. Recruitment of cheaper units should, hopefully keep the Austrians at bay until Russia can be pacified. I would suggest as much recruitment as is possible in this area. Any extra funds should be put towards heavy units in the East, which will go as reinforcements to the Khanate.
Sound like a sound military plan?
No offensive action should be taken right away, we must consolidate our defenses, and attempt diplomacy to see how the field lies.
Post by: woose1 on April 06, 2009, 07:55:44 pm
SEND THE SHIPS TO PATROL IN FRIENDLY WATERS!
Attack occasional pirates.
DON'T PISS OFF THE ITALIANS!
EDIT: Start full production of galleys and other small ships. Also build a occasional sixth rate.
Post by: Asheron on April 06, 2009, 08:08:47 pm
Oh dear. If he is focusing on defence, I guess I should too.
SEND THE SHIPS TO PATROL IN FRIENDLY WATERS!
Attack occasional pirates.
DON'T PISS OFF THE ITALIANS!
EDIT: Start full production of galleys and other small ships. Also build a occasional sixth rate.
There are no pirates anymore, which I'm sure you'll be pleased to hear. Not in Europe, atleast.
I'm going to assume you mean that upkeep is 300 in total, not 300 per unit.A sound plan, my minister.
It seems clear to me that we need to shift our land army's focus northward. The Crimean Khanate should be our first priority. Immediately reinforce this area with all the troops in the East we can muster. We need to dissuade the Russsians from attacking by any means necessary. Also, we need to keep a buffer between their lands and ours.
However, our second priority should be the recently-acquired territories in the Balkans. Recruitment of cheaper units should, hopefully keep the Austrians at bay until Russia can be pacified. I would suggest as much recruitment as is possible in this area. Any extra funds should be put towards heavy units in the East, which will go as reinforcements to the Khanate.
Sound like a sound military plan?
No offensive action should be taken right away, we must consolidate our defenses, and attempt diplomacy to see how the field lies.
And with 300 upkeep, I mean 300. As in, per unit. I took the upkeep of line infantry though. Normal militia and such is more around 150. But my unit sizes are on huge, so that could be the cause.
Post by: woose1 on April 06, 2009, 08:16:56 pm
Then attack the French to make up for it.Oh dear. If he is focusing on defence, I guess I should too.
SEND THE SHIPS TO PATROL IN FRIENDLY WATERS!
Attack occasional pirates.
DON'T PISS OFF THE ITALIANS!
EDIT: Start full production of galleys and other small ships. Also build a occasional sixth rate.
There are no pirates anymore, which I'm sure you'll be pleased to hear. Not in Europe, atleast.
Post by: Asheron on April 06, 2009, 08:21:08 pm
A wise decision. That'll probably piss off the Spanish enough to attack us too.Then attack the French to make up for it.Oh dear. If he is focusing on defence, I guess I should too.
SEND THE SHIPS TO PATROL IN FRIENDLY WATERS!
Attack occasional pirates.
DON'T PISS OFF THE ITALIANS!
EDIT: Start full production of galleys and other small ships. Also build a occasional sixth rate.
There are no pirates anymore, which I'm sure you'll be pleased to hear. Not in Europe, atleast.
Post by: Servant Corps on April 06, 2009, 08:27:36 pm
EDIT: Also, you got some broken BBCode in the the first post's first few pictures (http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=33684.msg498681#msg498681).
Post by: woose1 on April 06, 2009, 08:32:44 pm
*Slams hand down on desk*A wise decision. That'll probably piss off the Spanish enough to attack us too.Then attack the French to make up for it.Oh dear. If he is focusing on defence, I guess I should too.
SEND THE SHIPS TO PATROL IN FRIENDLY WATERS!
Attack occasional pirates.
DON'T PISS OFF THE ITALIANS!
EDIT: Start full production of galleys and other small ships. Also build a occasional sixth rate.
There are no pirates anymore, which I'm sure you'll be pleased to hear. Not in Europe, atleast.
HEY! I'm the minister! If I say attack a powerfull nation with many friends for no reason you do it! Understand?
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Asheron on April 06, 2009, 08:35:03 pm
Oh, yeah. Bureaucracy...*Slams hand down on desk*A wise decision. That'll probably piss off the Spanish enough to attack us too.Then attack the French to make up for it.Oh dear. If he is focusing on defence, I guess I should too.
SEND THE SHIPS TO PATROL IN FRIENDLY WATERS!
Attack occasional pirates.
DON'T PISS OFF THE ITALIANS!
EDIT: Start full production of galleys and other small ships. Also build a occasional sixth rate.
There are no pirates anymore, which I'm sure you'll be pleased to hear. Not in Europe, atleast.
HEY! I'm the minister! If I say attack a powerful nation with many friends for no reason you do it! Understand?Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Wait. Isn't it Servantcorps who decides we attack? woose1 is the executive power on the sea!
AAARGH POLITICS
Post by: Asheron on April 06, 2009, 08:37:33 pm
/me requests the position of the Minister of Diplomacy.Greetings, new minister. I just noticed the broken BBCode myself. I'll fix it. Sometime.
EDIT: Also, you got some broken BBCode in the the first post's first few pictures (http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=33684.msg498681#msg498681).
Post by: woose1 on April 06, 2009, 08:47:26 pm
Yes, I guess you are right. I can't attack France without ServantCorp's permission.
Please, oh pleaase can we attack France?
Post by: Servant Corps on April 06, 2009, 08:52:15 pm
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Currently, we are at war with Russia. Most of the Europeans do not like us, as you can see on the first map I had my cartographers make. We should approach at least someone, if only for trade agreements. Naturally, when you feel we are ready, we could declare war on some of our neighbours...
I would gladly recieve your general directions on what to do ( and with who ).
I think it would make sense to conclude that these Trade agreements are going to be basically a repeat of those terrible Trade Agreements the Ottoman Empire made before. The Capitulations gave Western powers more favourable trade with the Ottomans, allowing for the West to flood Ottoman markets and drive out the poor Ottoman industries.
Basically, we will be dependent on the West for aid. And dependence will turn us into the Sick Man of Europe. We'll be nothing more than puppets, and I don't think God would like us being Puppets.
I say, we should not make any trade agreement with Non-Muslim countries. We should offer any trade agreement with all Muslim countries though, Sunni or Shia. Get a united Muslim front against the Russian Othrodoxs.
The only sustainable way of growing our economy is the expansion of our borders. So that should be our primary concern.
And, woose1, before we invade France, we neeed a casus belli right?
Post by: woose1 on April 06, 2009, 08:54:16 pm
How about: "They piss us off?"
EDIT: Apparently, theres a latin phrase for that.
"casus foederis"
Post by: Servant Corps on April 06, 2009, 08:55:42 pm
Post by: Aqizzar on April 06, 2009, 08:56:38 pm
Militias can be left alone for now. Everything looks fine to my ill-trained eye. Yes, I can Ottoman with the best of them.
Post by: Asheron on April 06, 2009, 09:12:31 pm
Asheron: What's the penatly for declaring war with no reason? Does it decrease relationship with other countries? Does it increase the chances of revolt?It does decrease relationship with the countries allied to that country. Most countries don't really seem to mind though.
Post by: woose1 on April 06, 2009, 09:14:38 pm
Then lets harass that bitch!Asheron: What's the penatly for declaring war with no reason? Does it decrease relationship with other countries? Does it increase the chances of revolt?It does decrease relationship with the countries allied to that country. Most countries don't really seem to mind though.
Oh, but we need more ships first.
Post by: Frelock on April 06, 2009, 10:04:09 pm
Post by: woose1 on April 06, 2009, 10:09:50 pm
Since most of our enemies are land locked or do not have access to the indies, it is vital that we capitalize on the trading route. But in order to keep the damn Frenchies from intercepting our ships, we will have to choke them, and keep their ships from patrolling those waters.
Post by: Servant Corps on April 06, 2009, 10:12:28 pm
But if it backfires badly, your head is on the line.
We better move onto occupying Madrid and Rome. We should also think of expanding closer to home, taking out Austria and defeating the Russians.
Post by: woose1 on April 06, 2009, 10:17:47 pm
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DON'T PISS OFF THE ITALIANS!!??
Post by: Servant Corps on April 06, 2009, 10:22:01 pm
Post by: woose1 on April 06, 2009, 10:25:01 pm
What can the Italians do?YOU FOOL!
The Venice people have a heavily defended area with a strong navy, and Tons of friends! And they live right next door!
Trust me when I say; "Do not piss off the Italians without an army ten times as strong."
...
However we could try, since invading France
Post by: Servant Corps on April 06, 2009, 10:30:34 pm
Surely the destruction of the Papal States doesn't mean Venice has to get involved, right?
Post by: woose1 on April 06, 2009, 10:32:51 pm
But are you sure that taking on 4 civillizations at a time is a wise decision?
Post by: woose1 on April 06, 2009, 11:03:36 pm
Post by: Asheron on April 07, 2009, 05:33:45 am
Issue 1: 1700-1701
Economics
Tax increase!
By decree of our great minister of justice, Aqizzar, and in accordance with the minister of finances, Boksi, the taxes on our nobility has been raised, which have resulted in to an increased tax income. However, it would seem the economy has taken quite a hit, with most provinces experiencing a negative growth of -20 florins yearly! Experts claim, however, that reducing the tax rate alone would not be sufficient to restart the economy, and that a larger investment in infrastructure is required.
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The increase in income has been mostly caused by increasive trade with our Islamic allies, and a new trade agreement brokered by our glorious diplomats, as reported about in our subsection "Foreign News"
Foreign News
Persian trade agreement brokered!
After isolating themselves from us for many years, Persia has decided to contact us with an offer of trade, the first step in to good diplomatic relations. In his wisdom, Mustafa II has decided to accept this offer, hoping to see an increase in wealth in both the Middle East and Persia.
Persia was not the only one, however. The infidels of Poland-Lithuania had approached us with an offer to trade freely, but considering political tensions and the fact that the infidels dared to ask us money for the trade agreement, our diplomatic cabinet counter-offered the Polish-Lithuanians, which they immediately refused.
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This was a certain sign given by us, to the infidels, that the Ottoman Empire will never be diplomatically oppressed!
A stab in the back!
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Our ministers have just confirmed the troubling rumours that are spreading through the empire; Venice has declared war upon us! Officials have assured the population in Greece that precautions will be taken in case of a Venetian invasion. A small part of our glorious fleet has been ordered to move in to the Ionic sea and to raid the Venetian trade routes, to further our treasury and to decrease theirs!
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The minister of war has yet to inform the government of his direct plans, though a campaign to annexate Patras is a very likely option at this moment. Ottoman forces in the Balkan are now on alert and are being readied to possibly move to Greece.
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In any case, this war might be a perfect opportunity for the Ottoman Empire to expand in a rightful and honourful way. August II shall feel the wrath of our empire!
Warmongering Europeans!
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In other news, it would seem Austria and Great Britain has decided to cease their alliance for a reason so far unclear. Though not in our direct interest, this could turn out to be a profitable to our great empire!
Ottoman navy and French navy nearly clash.
An Ottoman navy, which was sailing along the coast of France, has almost clashed with a French one. The French claim that theirs was "superior", which caused "the dogs" to run, while the government claims "'wrong calculations" had been made and that they hoped this would not cause any damage to the diplomatic relations with France. Officials are yet to state why the fleet was there.
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National News
Drafts!
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Moldavian, Croatian and Greek men are given the chance today to enlist in the glorious Ottoman Empire. The government has freed a large part of it's spendure on the army, claiming "it's use will be of great importance in the times ahead". Enlisted men are ensured a decent payment and a claim to conquered land.
Anatolian ports have also expanded our recent fleet with a glorious 50%! Officials claim the "increased upkeep is no price to pay in exchange for the safety of our waters."
Military Updates
Movements!
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Ottoman navies have been sent to the Ionic Sea and towards Gibraltar for reasons yet unknown. In accordance with recent decisions considering the defense of our Crimean allies, an Ottoman army is now guarding the province. Another army has landed on the eastern side of the Crimean, but whether this army will be pure defensive is yet to be answered. The new fleet that has been assembled is waiting for orders near the coast of Greece.
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In other news, our Georgian spies are making their ways in to Russia.
Politics
Government approval: 32% and improving!
Minister cabinet; Servant Corps, Boksi, Frelock, woose1, Emperor_Jonathan, Aqizzar.
Current king; Mustafa II
Current allies; The Barbary States ( PROT ), The Crimean Khanata ( PROT )
Current enemies; Venice, Russia
Post by: Jackrabbit on April 07, 2009, 05:40:36 am
But, hey, it's up to you.
Post by: Asheron on April 07, 2009, 05:52:46 am
As you adviced, no trade agreements or alliances with christian infidels have been engaged. The new trade agreement with Persia is something you would have surely agreed to. However, our plan to "visit" France has so far been unable to start, with the unexpected assault of Venice, and because of the fact that we are so far unable to send sufficient Forces to France. Advice on further actions are needed. One of my experts claims that new diplomatic relations with Morocco are in order.
To my minister of finances;
Currently, we have around 8000 florins for the entire year, thanks to our increased tax income. I hereby ask you to divide the budget we have between the ministries. I recommend putting aside a sizeable amount to invest in infrastructure.
To my minister of war and religion;
We are at war now. I hereby ask you details on any further action against Venice and Russia. I have already done a few things as recommended by my experts, like recruiting some extra local forces and moving armies towards the Crimean Khanate. Shall we stay defensive in the Crimea, or, since we have 2 armies, have a try at invading weakly defended rural Russian provinces?
To my minister of naval affairs;
By your advice, our Anatolian ports have produced a number of new ships. The recent almost conflict with France was inevitable, but we can currently not engage the French fleet if we have to split up our navy. I hereby ask you directions for our fleet moving towards Gibraltar and the one near the coast of France and our newly made fleet near Greece. Keeping our fleets together is perhaps wise for the time being, as our fleet is large but spread out. The fleet in the Black Sea that was used to transport our armies is currently under royal control for the time being.
To my minister of subterfuge and assassination;
Currently, there is little to do. Our Georgian spy is moving northwards, in to Russiant territory. I need further advice on where he should be going in particular, and if assassination, sabotage or merely getting intel should be the priority. When more of our spies are available, you shall be informed by it in the media.
To my minister of justice and research;
As predicted, the nobility have not reacted to negatively to the increased tax, although public order in Moldavia has gone down to the point where I would advise more miltia to be produced. Also, if your budget shall allow it, I recommend ordering new government buildings that will increase public order and tax revenue. In our more developped provinces, these shall cost 3000, in our more... backwards provinces these only cost 1000 to build. Shall we focus on the more backwards ones ( who tend to be the ones with the least public order ) or shall we focus on our core regions?
Also, I have promoted you to minister of research. Our scientists need guidance; shall they research improved bayonets, economical techniques that will increase farming revenue or shall we research these so called "Enlightened theories", which result in more productivity and tax but also in less public order?
To others;
Currently, 2 generals are up for the taking. Enlist now and become a "general"!
Post by: Emperor_Jonathan on April 07, 2009, 06:15:21 am
Post by: Aqizzar on April 07, 2009, 06:50:49 am
Upgrading our faraway provinces to the standards of the Empire proper for less money takes precedence over bolstering already productive areas.
As my fellow Ministers have forced your hand into so many military engagements, obviously improving our weaponry is the top priority. Enhanced bayoneting tactics will instill some fighting spirit in the men.
Bear in mind, the real Ottoman empire collapsed after it fell behind Britain in foreign trade, fought too many wars at the same time, and fell too far in debt to fund a modernization program for it's industries, debt it incurred from fighting too many wars. Try not to repeat those mistakes.
Post by: Asheron on April 07, 2009, 07:52:16 am
I say hold off on militias for the time being. You need your military strength elsewhere (I don't know if there's a tradeoff). Put some militia in Moldova if it becomes a problem, but otherwise, let out hand remain free.That's why I advise to put a lot of our money in to infrastructure.
Upgrading our faraway provinces to the standards of the Empire proper for less money takes precedence over bolstering already productive areas.
As my fellow Ministers have forced your hand into so many military engagements, obviously improving our weaponry is the top priority. Enhanced bayoneting tactics will instill some fighting spirit in the men.
Bear in mind, the real Ottoman empire collapsed after it fell behind Britain in foreign trade, fought too many wars at the same time, and fell too far in debt to fund a modernization program for it's industries, debt it incurred from fighting too many wars. Try not to repeat those mistakes.
This thread lacks a bit of the Napoleonic feel though...
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That'll do.
Post by: woose1 on April 07, 2009, 10:47:21 am
... Dammit...
Okay, hopefully we will be able to reach a peace agreement between us and France. If we are at war with Venice, we can't have another superpower breathing down our neck.
SEND ALL SHIPS TO
BLOCKADE THE PORTS!
PLUNDER THE SEAS!
PISS OFF THE ITALIANS!
Oh, and by further reading your post, I can see our Navy is dangerously spread out.
Ready an attack group (AKA our entire navy) right below the coast of Bosnia. This position will allow us to intercept any Greek ships trying to land troops.
Meanwhile, we can invade Athens by land, and blockade any ports belonging to our enemies.
Post by: Asheron on April 07, 2009, 10:49:07 am
Venice declared war on us!?We aren't at war with France, if that's what you think, or are you aiming at a military alliance?
... Dammit...
Okay, hopefully we will be able to reach a peace agreement between us and France. If we are at war with Venice, we can't have another superpower breathing down our neck.
SEND ALL SHIPS TOVENICEGREECE!
BLOCKADE THE PORTS!
PLUNDER THE SEAS!
PISS OFF THE ITALIANS!
Post by: woose1 on April 07, 2009, 10:54:47 am
Post by: Servant Corps on April 07, 2009, 10:58:19 am
Russia and the Ottomans are at war.
And nothing happened during the past year? Blah.
Anyway, make an alliance with Morroco. Start repairing ties with the Muslim world.
Do we still own Iraq? It's important to make sure.
Also, I am in favour of researching Enlightenment Ideas. The reason we lost in France is due to an ineffienct military bureacracy. We need to introduce new ideas into the Ottoman government, and produce the ideology of "Ottomanism" to unite the mighty East against the decedant West. Let disband the Janassiares while we're reforming our government too.
And no trade agreement with France. We do not want the Western traders to control our Ottoman markets. We should only make new trade agreements with the Muslim nations.
Post by: Boksi on April 07, 2009, 12:07:17 pm
Post by: woose1 on April 07, 2009, 12:15:44 pm
Post by: Asheron on April 07, 2009, 12:18:22 pm
Ok, no trade agreement. But no more attacking French ships until we can establish a strong foothold in Greece and Italy.We didn't attack them, we nearly clashed with them. Small difference in the game itself.
Post by: Servant Corps on April 07, 2009, 12:18:54 pm
Post by: Asheron on April 07, 2009, 12:19:47 pm
Let me get this straight.Russia is moving in to the Crimea, as you can see on one of the screenshots. As a matter of fact, I think they are going to attack the next turn.
Russia and the Ottomans are at war.
And nothing happened during the past year? Blah.
Anyway, make an alliance with Morroco. Start repairing ties with the Muslim world.
Do we still own Iraq? It's important to make sure.
Also, I am in favour of researching Enlightenment Ideas. The reason we lost in France is due to an ineffienct military bureacracy. We need to introduce new ideas into the Ottoman government, and produce the ideology of "Ottomanism" to unite the mighty East against the decedant West. Let disband the Janassiares while we're reforming our government too.
And no trade agreement with France. We do not want the Western traders to control our Ottoman markets. We should only make new trade agreements with the Muslim nations.
And yes, we own Iraq. I'm not sure why you want to know this.
Post by: Frelock on April 07, 2009, 12:29:48 pm
Recruitment should continue in the Balkans, but try for some heavier troops this time, perhaps some cannons, if possible.
Post by: Asheron on April 07, 2009, 12:30:35 pm
Sure thing. The whole French invasion was your idea, I'm fine if you call it off.That is your call. Any way, the only thing so far we COULD do is declare war, but we could not actually start one, as we have no armies that can be used so far from our empire.
Post by: woose1 on April 07, 2009, 12:36:06 pm
Post by: Servant Corps on April 07, 2009, 12:38:32 pm
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And yes, we own Iraq. I'm not sure why you want to know this.
The Ottoman Empire and the Persians fought wars over Iraq, which housed Baghdad, the capital of the former Abbasid Dynasty. It's a symbolic location. I just wanted to make sure that we own Iraq, because I don't want to ally with Persia while at the same time letting Persia own Iraq.
The comment about calling off the French invasion is that it's woose1's call. We're aren't going to declare war on France. No reason to.
As for the screenshots: they are kinda small. Couldn't see them. Sorry.
Post by: Asheron on April 07, 2009, 01:03:24 pm
They are thumbnails. Click on them.QuoteAnd yes, we own Iraq. I'm not sure why you want to know this.
The Ottoman Empire and the Persians fought wars over Iraq, which housed Baghdad, the capital of the former Abbasid Dynasty. It's a symbolic location. I just wanted to make sure that we own Iraq, because I don't want to ally with Persia while at the same time letting Persia own Iraq.
The comment about calling off the French invasion is that it's woose1's call. We're aren't going to declare war on France. No reason to.
As for the screenshots: they are kinda small. Couldn't see them. Sorry.
Post by: Asheron on April 07, 2009, 01:52:57 pm
Issue 2, 1701
Special issue! Ottoman military declares supremacy on both land and water!
Venetian infidels tried to assault our great empire with their puny army, and what followed were two decisive, nay, heroic victories for the Ottoman Empire.
The battle for the Aegean
The newly created fleet was attacked by a superior Venetian fleet. However, the Venetians underestimated the value of galleys.
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VERSUS
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The foolish Venetian admiral ordered his fleet to charge right towards the Ottoman fleet, neglecting the fact that they had the wind against them and that all of their boats had soly broadside cannons. While the Venetians approached, the galleys started pounding the Venetian boats...
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... when suddenly, both to the surprise of Ottoman and Venetian, the admiral flagship blew up! A galley had apparently hit the ship's gunpowder chamber. A great loss for the Venetians as their moral plummeted.
The Ottoman admiral turned his ship and fired a broadside at the second ship coming in, while galleys pummeled it in it's front, and it took but moments before the hull was so damaged that it started sinking... and that the light galley that was accompanying it began to rout!
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And it took not a minute before the last ship too began to sink! The crew quickly abandoned ship, and the Ottoman admiral toasted to his own success. The day was won, against all odds!
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The Ottoman admiral, still unnamed, became the national hero of the country. And, as if the victory was not splendid enough, the galley that tried to escape was captured and added to the Ottoman fleet. A worthy prize, though it needed repairs.
The Battle for Corinth
Meanwhile, the Venetians were gathering a small army near Corinth. The Ottoman General of Athens could not let this happen and saw this as an opportunity to weaken the Venetian army so that Patras could be annexated more easily later. The Venetian army existed of solely pikeman, while the Ottoman army existed of mostly musket-equipped men with some light melee support.
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Though larger in numbers, the Ottoman still had to be careful. A victory is never certain.
Ottoman men engaged the pikemen from afar. The pikemen, who could do nothing else than charge, charged.
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As the pikemen were engaged, they were charged in turn by the melee infantry. After a short battle they could not win, the pikemen routed. More pikemen were on their way, though, and the Ottomen general positioned his men to recieve them.
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They never stood a chance.
The dust settled, wounded were tended to and corpses were buried. The Venetian "army" was crushed, as it lost 229 out of it's 240 men. The Ottoman army lost but 43 of it's 300 men. Yet another glorious victory for the Ottoman Empire!
Post by: Asheron on April 07, 2009, 02:50:31 pm
Issue 2, 1701 - 1702
Economics
Thanks too increase spending in infrastructure, the overall state income has raised to somewhere around 5000 florins!
Foreign News
Alliance with Morroco has been finally realised!
After many talks with the state of Morrocco, we have finally managed to persuade our Islamic brethren to join our cause! They are now an official ally of the Ottoman Empire, though they are still somewhat suspicious of us because of historical grievances. A trade agreement has not been made yet, mostly because our ports cannot handle more trade at the moment.
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New victories!
The Ottoman Empire is, once again, victorious. Another Venetian army, wishing to gain revenge for their fallen comrades, have fallen to our power near Corinth. Venetian losses are estimated at around 330, with Ottoman deaths are more likely to be around 50.
However, a much more important victory has been won in the Crimea; a Russian army on it's way to our protectorate's capital was intercepted and defeated, though with losses. Sadly, general Damat Aali was killed in action, but the body of Aleksandr Menshikov, the Russian general, has also been found. In theory, we could call this a fair deal. However, the death of one of our sultan's subjects is never fair. Total losses for the Russians are estimated at 480, while Ottoman losses are estimated at 200.
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Ottoman spy active!
Confirmed reports have arrived at the ministry of Emperor_Jonathan, in which our spies have discovered a distinct lack of defense in the area of Rostov, northeast of the Crimea. This blatant provocation is said to be "a huge mistake the Russians will still regret after a million years!", as said by an official in charge of the Crimean campaign.
National News
Increased alertness in Bosnia!
Local officials has called the population to a raised alertness and has issued extra drafts above the ones that are ongoing in the Balkan. Austrian forces have been seen gathering and increasing in number along the border.
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The minister of war has yet to give his opinion on the matter.
Prize ship in official use
The ship won from the Venetians in the glorious battle for the Aegean has been repaired, and, together with another galley, has merged with an existing fleet. A ceremony was held to remember the victory in the port where the galley was being repaired.
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Military Updates
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Despite recent victories, our armies are still mostly on the same places, and our fleet has come together and merged as was planned. The blue 1 is our fleet that is blocking the Venetian port. 2 is the rest of the fleet, which has merged near Greece. The blue dot with yellow in it is our army, ready to invade Patras. The dot with red in it is our force in the Crimea, which had moved slightly north to intercept the Russian army. The white dots is the path of our spy.
Politics
Government Approval: 67% and improving! The recent string of victories has caused patriottism, and the growing economy has increased the happiness of the people. Hail Mustafa II!
Minister cabinet; Servant Corps, Boksi, Frelock, woose1, Emperor_Jonathan, Aqizzar.
Current king; Mustafa II
Current allies; The Barbary States ( PROT ), The Crimean Khanata ( PROT ), Morrocco
Current enemies; Venice, Russia
Post by: Asheron on April 07, 2009, 03:05:02 pm
The alliance with Morrocco has been made. I would require advice on the matter Austria, as you can read about in Ottoman Yearly. They are clearly building up their military force, and I would rather not have a cold war, or, Allah forbid, a real war. We have other wars to fight at this moment.
To my minister of finances;
Currently, we have around 10000 florins for the entire year, thanks to our increased tax income. I hereby ask you, once again, to divide the budget we have between the ministries. Whether tax changes should be applied should be discussed between you and minister of justice Aqizzar.
To my minister of war and religion;
We have gathered an army near Athens and are waiting to attack Patras, though additional forces are on their way. Shall we attack now, or wait for reinforcements ( which will allow Venice to recruit reinforcements himself )?
Also, our forces in the Crimea are victorious. Further orders to this army are needed.
To my minister of naval affairs;
The recent victory has made the government a lot more popular. New orders are required for the fleet, as we seem to have plenty of ships in the Ionian sea and around Greece. Since the Venetian Navy completely destroyed, there is little danger.
To my minister of subterfuge and assassination;
Our spy has delivered useful intel on Russian defenses to the northeast of the Crimea - which amount to almost zero -. Shall our spy continue northwards, or shall he go towards Kiev, or, perhaps Moscow?
To my minister of justice and research;
Though we still have lot of infrastructure to improve and buildings to build, things are improving. Public order is staying stabile. I hereby give you another promotion, you are now also responsible for the construction of military infrastructure. For the moment, this means nothing, as only Athens can make a barracks at this moment ( which it is doing now ). Shall we continue as how we are doing?
Post by: Boksi on April 07, 2009, 03:34:46 pm
Post by: Frelock on April 07, 2009, 04:17:15 pm
Recruitment should continue in this area.
As to the Crimean troops, send the army North-East. If the spy's information is indeed correct, then we should be able to gain some territory with little risk.
Post by: woose1 on April 07, 2009, 04:32:16 pm
*Cheer*
Ok, now we should send the entireity of our navy to blockade every single port on the greece and italian front, and not allow their navy to get back up to strength.
Meanwhile, build a few more galleys to patrol our borders, and keep anyone that would wish us harm from landing troops on our shores.
Celebrate my awsomeness, as well.
EDIT: Don't build too many ships, as we need the extra money to fuel our war machine against the Russians.
EDIT2: Actually, forget everything I said.
In this case, we can see that Patras is most likely about to be taken soon, and there will be little need for a navy there.
Instead, send our navy just south of Italy, in order to crush any resistance that might arrise there, and in order to keep our trade routes safe.
Spread out a little.
Still build a few galleys, but not too many, like I said, we need the extra money for land troops. Also, keep 1 where it is.
Post by: Aqizzar on April 07, 2009, 04:36:25 pm
Well, it appears I have little to decide, yes? Improving the cohesiveness of the Empire is always the best thing to do when not faced with any immediate threats, so go right ahead with that. Is our current tax rate sufficient for our needs?
Post by: Servant Corps on April 07, 2009, 05:02:54 pm
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The alliance with Morrocco has been made. I would require advice on the matter Austria, as you can read about in Ottoman Yearly. They are clearly building up their military force, and I would rather not have a cold war, or, Allah forbid, a real war. We have other wars to fight at this moment.
Hm. Send a delegation to Austria.
What diplomatic options do we have with Austria? Trade agreements are out of the question, of course.
Post by: Asheron on April 07, 2009, 05:22:13 pm
Well, we can try getting an alliance, either by offering money, regions or technology ( we hardly have any though ). Trade is out of the question, as you said. I doubt that they will ever become a protector either.QuoteThe alliance with Morrocco has been made. I would require advice on the matter Austria, as you can read about in Ottoman Yearly. They are clearly building up their military force, and I would rather not have a cold war, or, Allah forbid, a real war. We have other wars to fight at this moment.
Hm. Send a delegation to Austria.
What diplomatic options do we have with Austria? Trade agreements are out of the question, of course.
Also, perhaps we should try to get an alliance with Persia, but that will probably cost some money to show our goodwill.
Post by: Asheron on April 07, 2009, 05:24:07 pm
Is our current tax rate sufficient for our needs?Well, we can ALWAYS use more money. On this moment, we need a lot of recruitment, so it's either raising taxes or sacrificing some of our investments in buildings.
Post by: Servant Corps on April 07, 2009, 07:43:24 pm
Post by: Asheron on April 07, 2009, 07:46:10 pm
How often does our allies actually defend the player nation?Only if they are a neighbour of the enemy that is attacking. And even then, it depends. Poland Lithuania, for example, will throw everything it has in to making sure Austria is destroyed. Russia and Sweden are archenemies too, and things tend to get pretty hefty in the English channel between English and French navies, so having one of these as an ally against an enemy tends to be a good idea.
EDIT: I have no idea if I should wait for taking the next turn, as my ability to count the amount of ministers that have already posted and the amount of ministers I have is completely gone because of my sleepiness. In any case, it seems Emperor_Jonathan hasn't posted yet... he doesn't have a lot to do at the moment, I think I'll have to give him some new responsiblities...
Post by: Servant Corps on April 07, 2009, 09:01:47 pm
If we want an ally against Austria, Poland-Lithuania seems to be our best bet then. We're behind on technology. We can hand over regions or money to that nation. I say hand over money, because if we make a deal with the Poles and hand over territory, we aren't going to get said territory back.
We really want an ally against the Russian horde though. Iran will come in handy there. Again, money is our best bet.
Post by: Emperor_Jonathan on April 08, 2009, 12:14:47 am
Post by: Asheron on April 08, 2009, 08:52:26 am
Another thing. Do we have a trade agreement with Morroco, in addition to them being allied?Nope, our ports are on full capacity so we can't have any more trade agreements at the moment.
If we want an ally against Austria, Poland-Lithuania seems to be our best bet then. We're behind on technology. We can hand over regions or money to that nation. I say hand over money, because if we make a deal with the Poles and hand over territory, we aren't going to get said territory back.
We really want an ally against the Russian horde though. Iran will come in handy there. Again, money is our best bet.
We are not behind on technology yet by the way. Everyone starts out at about the same level ( though we lack regions where we can build decent cavalry ).
Iran doesn't exist. It's Persia. I agree though that we should try to get an alliance with them.
Post by: Asheron on April 08, 2009, 08:53:00 am
The Spy should scout the territories of Russia directly adjacent to our own/our protectorate territories. If the military decided to attack a city of Russia, the spy should help in recon of the city. ((I don't know if you can still do this ->)) If a Russian city were to be sieged, our spy should infiltrate the city beforehand and try to unlock the gate during the siege.Yes, you can still do that.
Post by: Asheron on April 08, 2009, 10:28:00 am
Issue 3, 1702 - 1703
Economics
Under the wise guidance of our great minister of finances, Boksi, and our great minister of justice, Aqizzar, our economy has boomed once again, thanks to the improvement in government buildings and mine infrastructure in the Balkan.
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Foreign News
Ottoman-Persian Alliance created!
After a noteable request by Persia to engage in deeper diplomatic relations with our Ottoman Empire, both countries decided to broker a mutual alliance. May Allah protect both of our countries!
Polish-Lithuanian trade agreement reached, further diplomatic negotiations go slow.
In an attempt to bring Poland-Lithuanian closer to our empire as a possibly ally against the Austrian threat, a trade agreement was made. Polish-Lithuanian and Ottoman goods will now be exchanged through the trade route in Moldavia. However, due to our war with Russia, Poland-Lithuania's ally, we have been unable to make any military based agreements.
Russian general disgraced, Crimean Khanate army announces victory.
Prince Anikita Repnin, commander of the southern Russian army, has been openly disgraced by friend and foe alike as the Russian army recieved two heavy blows today. Ottoman forces paraded through Kiev today, which, according to the Ottoman general, Damat Aali, "surrendered after barely any fighting". The lack of defense in Ukraine was a direct cause of the situation in East Crimea, where Russian and Crimean forces clashed. The Crimean forces succesfuly managed to force the Russians towards their border, and are now moving towards capturing the region the Ottoman Empire originally claimed. The minister of war is yet to be informed of the change in plan in the Crimean campaign, but talks are going around that Russia might be willing to surrender, even if it will have to sacrifice even more land, as tensions with Sweden to the north increase.
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Patras taken after heavy battles
Another victory for the Ottoman Empire was won in Greece, where a outnumbered Ottoman Empire managed to take Patras from Venetian hands.
However, the victory was rather ambivalent, as soldiers claim that the battle for Morea, the capital of Patras, was almost lost due to incompetence of the general's part, Avranos Edhem, who routed early in the battle. However, thanks to some particular impressive skirmishing and tactics from a yet-unnamed officer, the tide of battle turned. However, casualties are high. The minister of justice, Aqizzar, has yet to formulate what shall be done with general Avranos Edhem.
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Soldiers claim that Avranos Edhem's cavalry unit routed after they charged in to the side of the Venetian army. It is yet unknown why they routed, as the charge was particular succesful and breaked one of the Venetian units.
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There is no word yet of the Venetian general Giuseppe Assemani.
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Currently, both Kiev and Morea are being exempted of tax as public order is particulary low in both regions. Military advisors say that it will take atleast a year before the army in Patras, Morea will be retrained and sufficiently in number to be used elsewhere.
Venetian navy crushed again!
A small Venetian navy was detected in the ports of Venice. Admiral Limberakis Gerakaris ordered fleet group 1 to retreat and to merge with fleet group 2 and reinforcements from the Anatolian port. Together, the 10 fleet units absolutely crushed the 2 enemy Venetian fleet units that were stationed in the port of Venice. Losses to the Ottoman fleet amount nearly to zero, both Venetian ships sank during the battle, despite attempts to board them.
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Officials claim that the Ottoman navy currently is at unpreceded size, and is very well in complete control of the entire eastern med.
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Much credit goes to Gerakaris, though, who has showed much prowess in battle.
National News
Double annexation!
The Ottoman Empire has now grown with the regions of Ukraine and Patras. Both are mainly Orthodox, but both are wealthy regions. For the time being, though, tax rates are set to zero for these provinces to keep the local population from revolting.
Unrest!
However, the common peasantry of Morea has refused to work due to the recent annexation, and slogans such as "Ottoman out!" are shouted across the country. What action shall be taken has not been disclosed by Aqizzar.
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Military Updates
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Fleet 1 and 2 has merged into fleet 1 and has taken firm control of the Adriatic sea, a new army group by the name of Fox has been created in the Balkans in an attempt to keep the Austrians from invading and in case the Venetians were to cross Austrian territory to invade Bosnia. Army group Patras have been severly damaged but funds have been freed to retrain and rearm them. Army group Crimea has taken Kiev with barely any losses.
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Politics
Government approval: 73% and improving!
Minister cabinet; Servant Corps, Boksi, Frelock, woose1, Emperor_Jonathan, Aqizzar.
Current king; Mustafa II
Current allies; The Barbary States ( PROT ), The Crimean Khanat ( PROT ), Morrocco, Persia
Current trade agreements; Persia, Poland-Lithuania, The Crimean Khanate, The Barbary States
Current enemies; Venice, Russia
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Greyed out areas have 0% tax.
Post by: woose1 on April 08, 2009, 10:32:42 am
So, no news on the navy, huh?
Well, since Aqizzar is fighting a mostly land-locked country, there isn't much for me to do. Carry on then.
OH! See if we can get a trade escort to India, as well.
Post by: Asheron on April 08, 2009, 10:59:01 am
TRE-TRE-TRIPLE POST!!
So, no news on the navy, huh?
Well, since Aqizzar is fighting a mostly land-locked country, there isn't much for me to do. Carry on then.
OH! See if we can get a trade escort to India, as well.
Uh yes, there is, I was still busy editing. We won again against Venice, the fleets were merged and an extra ship was built.
Post by: Asheron on April 08, 2009, 10:59:32 am
We could possibly have talks with Venice or/and Russia about peace, preferably with region gain on our part. Diplomatic relations with the Islamic Mughal Empire in India could be started, though this would mean no possible alliance with the Maratha Confederacy, and vice versa. Also, in the following turn I will be making a report on the current coalitions so that you are a bit more up to date on who is who's enemies etc...
To my minister of finances;
If all things stay the way they are, around 18000 florins for this year. Our economy is really booming. You know what to do. Also, you can now free money to be used in diplomatic negotiations etc...
To my minister of war and religion;
Yey, victory. Our forces in Russia did a little improvisation and went for Kiev instead, but that's good as the Crimea would have taken the region we were after before us anyway. Further instructions are needed. Also, we need clearance for an invasion on Venice ( as in the province Venice, of course ), though we aren't ready for one yet. Whether or not army group "Fox" may be used for this invasion or must stay put is your call.
Oh, and as you noticed I organised our military a bit by forming army groups. Further organisation, including a report on the strength of these army groups and our current military infrastructure, will commence in the following turns.
To my minister of naval affairs;
Hmmm. Until we have an enemy with a navy, there is not a lot yet to do. Continue building our fleet? Perhaps we should start building a fleet "2" that could patrol North Africa to protect our protectorates.
To my minister of subterfuge and assassination;
Our spy has located the current location of a Russian prince, leading the defense against the Crimean forces. Chances that the prince dies are pretty good ( around 40% ). Shall we give it a try, or continue towards Moscow and neighbouring provinces to watch our for any retaliations against Kiev?
To my minister of justice and research;
First of all, I recommend the construction of militias in the newly conquered areas and a current tax exemption for both of the provinces until the situation stabilises there. The situation in Morea is already bad enough that the local peasantry is refusing to work. Perhaps investment in government buildings are needed in these regions to further stability.
Also, the general who retreated during combat as a coward might need punishment. As minister of justice, you can replace him and strip the general of all his honours, lands and wealth, or you can let him try to redeem himself in further battles.
For the rest, most of our provinces are now at standard development. Should we develop the core regions now? All of our provinces there are stabile, but they are not yet "green".
Post by: woose1 on April 08, 2009, 01:30:01 pm
*Twitch*
Let me see if I still have that disk...
Post by: Servant Corps on April 08, 2009, 02:09:46 pm
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To my minister of diplomacy;
We could possibly have talks with Venice or/and Russia about peace, preferably with region gain on our part. Diplomatic relations with the Islamic Mughal Empire in India could be started, though this would mean no possible alliance with the Maratha Confederacy, and vice versa. Also, in the following turn I will be making a report on the current coalitions so that you are a bit more up to date on who is who's enemies etc...
I am a bit fuming about offering the Polish-Lithuanians a trade agreement, but oh well. I hope it gets cancelled soon.
The Mughal Empire need help against the Hindu pagans, so let ally with the Islamic Mughal Empire.
Right now, we seem to be making much progress against the Russians, so I'm not that intersted in making peace just yet. If we want to get a base on Italy, it would be good to end the war with Russia and devote all our forces to breaking the City of Venice. I'll need the advice on the Minister of War and Religion on his intentions towards Venice.
If he feels the war in Venice is not going to be productive, sue for peace with Venice and get some territory.
Lastly, is it possible for the Ottoman Empire to form colonies in the New World?
Post by: woose1 on April 08, 2009, 02:13:04 pm
Post by: Servant Corps on April 08, 2009, 02:15:03 pm
Post by: woose1 on April 08, 2009, 02:17:35 pm
Hm. Is Arabia colonizable?I... think so... I'll have to check where the world map cuts off...
Post by: Asehujiko on April 08, 2009, 02:54:23 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
The tiny ship at the right, what is it? A galley or did they actualy add some form of unique unit?
Post by: woose1 on April 08, 2009, 03:08:59 pm
Post by: Aqizzar on April 08, 2009, 04:28:35 pm
The General shall be given a soldier's rifle, and placed at the head of the next battle against the Venetians. He shall take the first step of the charge, and shall lead it all the way to the end, even if he must be lashed to a wagon and rolled into the enemy. If by the unknowable grace of Merciful Allah he survives, his inexcusable cowardice shall be considered truly excused. Else, he will at least have demonstrated to his men how a soldier is to die.
In Morea, the ungrateful shall be destroyed utterly. Any who does not appreciate the wealth and magnanimity of being a subject of the Ottoman empire must be put to the sword, to remind all others why they are subjects at all.
With all of these other expenditures, I have to wonder if further improvements are of immediate importance. Does it cost anything to develop territories? If so, I'd advise holding off for the moment, to further bolster your warmaking capacity.
I'm sure popular support is influenced by the peasant tax rate, but is it also effected by taxing the nobility? If not, would another slight uptick in their taxes be out of line?
Post by: Emperor_Jonathan on April 08, 2009, 08:25:27 pm
Post by: Frelock on April 08, 2009, 10:13:49 pm
I recommend no further severe movements of troops for this year. Reinforce group Fox, and have them patrol the boarder. Troops from the Grecian campaign should remain in Morea until the area is pacified. The same goes for the Northern Army in Kiel. The Russians will likely be busy with other fronts, however, so we should be able to move out by next year. I'd also like more information from our espionage agents in the area, but that's for the minister of subterfuge and assassination to decide.
As to Venice, I would really like to eliminate our rival completely, to show the world that a declaration of war against us will result in swift and complete destruction. I will authorize an invasion of Venice, though certainly not this year. Also, Fox army must remain on the Austrian boarder, unless Austria declares war on another nation, thus withdrawing their troops to another front.
In response to the Minister of Diplomacy's questions, it is his job to tell who to attack. I just decide how and when. I'd prefer to take both Venice and Russia on, with a focus on Venice.
With reguards to recruitment, reinforce group Fox somewhat, and then recruit one or two of the best units possible, and send them towards Morea. I don't mind if it will take them a few years. I just want the best damn troops we can get for an invasion on Venice.
Post by: Servant Corps on April 08, 2009, 10:40:48 pm
I recommend that we free up our ports so that we can start trading with our new allies in Morroco. By building more ports, of course.
Two Questions:
The Morea Question: Can European powers force the Ottoman Empire to make Greece an indepedent nation? That realistically happened, so I want to know if that can be possible, because if it does, then that could bode ill if the Europeans unite in a crusade against us. The Morean rebels won't really stop the Ottoman army, but they can act as a distraction while the Europeans blow up our fleets.
The Autonomy Question: While the Ottoman Empire is just, it does need assistance, primarly in the form of local leaders. Would the Minister of Justice allow for letting local leaders be able to run their own affairs, having the people in the Ministry of Justice check up on these leaders to make sure they are local? I would support decentralization, to decrease the possiblity of rebellion in the future. We already have this policy in our Asian territory, but extending it to our Greek territories can prevent another Morea.
Post by: Asheron on April 09, 2009, 08:12:27 am
Then it would be best to let both wars continue then.
I recommend that we free up our ports so that we can start trading with our new allies in Morroco. By building more ports, of course.
Two Questions:
The Morea Question: Can European powers force the Ottoman Empire to make Greece an indepedent nation? That realistically happened, so I want to know if that can be possible, because if it does, then that could bode ill if the Europeans unite in a crusade against us. The Morean rebels won't really stop the Ottoman army, but they can act as a distraction while the Europeans blow up our fleets.
The Autonomy Question: While the Ottoman Empire is just, it does need assistance, primarly in the form of local leaders. Would the Minister of Justice allow for letting local leaders be able to run their own affairs, having the people in the Ministry of Justice check up on these leaders to make sure they are local? I would support decentralization, to decrease the possiblity of rebellion in the future. We already have this policy in our Asian territory, but extending it to our Greek territories can prevent another Morea.
Nope. The only way Greece can become independent is when the people are so discontent that they stage an armed revolt and manage to defeat the garrison.
I'm not sure what you mean with the autonomy question.
Post by: Asheron on April 09, 2009, 08:13:51 am
Nope.Hm. Is Arabia colonizable?I... think so... I'll have to check where the world map cuts off...
Post by: Asheron on April 09, 2009, 09:20:25 am
With all of these other expenditures, I have to wonder if further improvements are of immediate importance. Does it cost anything to develop territories? If so, I'd advise holding off for the moment, to further bolster your warmaking capacity.Yes, developping territories is basically spending money on buildings that increase the territory's wealth so that our tax revenue from that province increases.
I'm sure popular support is influenced by the peasant tax rate, but is it also effected by taxing the nobility? If not, would another slight uptick in their taxes be out of line?
As for the second, I'm not sure. I would guess so.
Post by: Servant Corps on April 09, 2009, 10:06:45 am
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I'm not sure what you mean with the autonomy question.
I was thinking of EU's sliders with centralization and decentralization. I was thinking of decentralizing the Ottoman Empire, so as to allow for stability and to grant Morea a degree of self-rule.
Post by: Asheron on April 09, 2009, 10:20:28 am
Issue 4, 1703 - 1704
EXTRA LARGE ISSUE!
Economics
Due to an increase in military upkeep, the tax revenue has plummeted for the first time. However, officials claim that this recent drop in income is not problematic for the treasury - yet -.
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Foreign News
Sweden burns!
Sweden received a heavy blow today as it's capital city was taken by Danish forces. Sweden is currently in a full Baltic war against Russia, Poland-Lithuania and Denmark since it invaded and annexated Norway from Denmark. Sweden has currently managed to keep Sint-Petersburg secure from the Russian forces, who are weakened by recent defeats in the south.
Russian prince dies tragedically!
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Prince Anikita Ivanovich Repnin has been found dead in a village in Ukraine. The prince was on his way to meet with three Russian regiments who he would command in battle against Crimean and Ottoman forces. However, he was assassinated by an unknown agent in his sleep. Nor the criminal's name nor his nationality are known, though it is likely the assassin was an Ottoman.
Austrian diplomats propose outrageous region agreements!
Austrian diplomats have, reportedly, proposed the sultan himself to swap regions in the Balkan as if they were trade goods.
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The agreement would have us swap the region of Bulgaria, the only region connecting us to the Crimea, and with that, Kiev, and the region which connects us with Poland-Lithuania and allows us to trade, for the small country of Croatia, which is also but a breeze away from Venice, making it very vulnerable and easy to annexate by the Italians. Needless to say, the proposal was rejected. This did no good for our relations with the Austrians.
Mughal discussions fail!
Mustafa II has expressed his concerns and disappointment at the recent refusal of the Mughal Empire to form an alliance. Our great sultan sees this as a direct insult to Islam, to the Ottoman Empire and to the entire Muslim community in India, which is under grave threat from the Maratha Confederacy.
Aurangzeb I, sultan of the Mughal Empire, claims that "the alliance would be the first step of the Mughal Empire losing it's independence, as the Ottoman Empire monopolises the entire Muslim world with it's web of diplomatic relations and protectorates."
Further discussions will commence in 1705.
National News
Imam proclaims Bosnia "Islamic"
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A recent census has shown Islam is now the mayority religion of Bosnia, but only barely. This is good news for our people and for our religion!
Research advancements!
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Under the guidance of our minister of justice and research, a new breakthrough on the field of military technology has been reached! The plug bayonet, a new invention by Ottoman scientists, will allow our forces to fight better and more reliably in close combat, but will keep the gun that it is plugged to from firing, and deplugging it is a hard task which is hard to perform in the midst of battle.
Janissary corps bolstered!
For the first time in quite a lot of years, the Janissary corps will see battle again. These courageous men are to reinforce our curent army groups. Most of them will see action in Patras, where they will keep order for the time being. Army specialists argue that the Janissary regiments - 4 in total - are old fashioned, but others argue that their experience and training make them stand out far above the average regiment.
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Army group Fox commissioned to unnamed fort.
Army group Fox, the only army group that has not yet seen battle, will be commissioned to a yet unnamed old fort that was originally built to keep Ottoman forces out of Bosnia. How ironic this might be, the importance of this fort with the military buildup of the Austrians at the border is not to be underestimated. Some say the fort will be named after our great sultan himself, others say it will be named after our minister of war and religion, Frelock.
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Arabia to be explored
Mustafa II has always been intrigued by the land of Arabia. He has therefore decided to send an expedition to Arabia. When they will come back is not yet known, and what they will bring back is even less known.
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Military Updates
EXTRA LARGE
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ARMY GROUP FOX
Lead by Muhammed Ferid, containing 750 men, of which; 3 Isarelys ( line infantry ), 3 Azzars ( melee infantry ) and 2 units of "mobs" ( peasantry, one ranged and one melee unit ) and a unit of general bodyguard cavalry. Moving to fort ... .
ARMY GROUP CRIMEA
Lead by Damat Aali, containing 520 men, of which; 3 heavy cavalry units, of which one is a general bodyguard cavalry unit, 2 Azzars, 1 Janissary corps, 1 cannon regiment, 1 "irregular" unit ( skirmishers ), 2 mob units. Stationed in Kiev.
ARMY GROUP PATRAS
Leaderless, though theoretically led by coward Avranos Edhem, containing 841 men, of which; 1 coward, 4 Isarelys regiments, 3 Janissary corps'. Stationed in Morea.
FLEET GERAKARIS
Led by great admiral Limberakis Gerakaris, containing 98 cannons, of which; 2 Brigs, 1 Admiral Flagship ( 5th Rate ), 6 Galleys and 1 Dhow. Currently blockading a Venetian trade route in the Adreatic sea.
Politics
Government approval: 55% and improving!
Minister cabinet; Servant Corps, Boksi, Frelock, woose1, Emperor_Jonathan, Aqizzar.
Current king; Mustafa II
Current allies; The Barbary States ( PROT ), The Crimean Khanat ( PROT ), Morrocco, Persia
Current trade agreements; Persia, Poland-Lithuania, The Crimean Khanate, The Barbary States, Mughal Empire
Current enemies; Venice, Russia
A study on coalitions and allies
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Post by: woose1 on April 09, 2009, 11:02:08 am
Post by: Asheron on April 09, 2009, 02:30:04 pm
A map with coalitions marked on it has been added to the Ottoman Yearly. Hopefully this will make your task more easy. Currently, the fort in Bosnia needs a name. Propose a name, other then to fort Mustafa II or Aqizzar, or vote on one of both.
To my minister of finances;
A recent drop in taxes, but nothing to worry about. 12000 florins for the entire year. Might I advice to set aside more money for investment in to the economy. I trust you are still behind the tax raises? Also, currently, the fort in Bosnia needs a name. Propose a name, other then fort Mustafa II or Aqizzar, or vote on one of both.
To my minister of war and religion;
Reinforcements are made. I'm pretty sure army group "Fox" is not yet ready for the invasion on Venice, unless we manage to get a heroic victory. Perhaps quick action should be taken against Russia soon, as Sweden is faltering in the Baltic. I predict Saint Petersburg falling rather quickly. With it in Russian hands, the Russians will probably want to turn their attention to us. A march to Moscow is possible, but if we capture it ( after which the tsar will certainly want to agree to a peace favourable for us in terms ) we will quite some wacky borders to defend. Also, currently, the fort in Bosnia needs a name. Propose a name, other then fort Mustafa II or Aqizzar, or vote on one of both.
To my minister of naval affairs;
Yip. Things are going good on the sea. Hmm. Indeed.
Currently, the fort in Bosnia needs a name. Propose a name, other then fort Mustafa II or Aqizzar, or vote on one of both.
To my minister of subterfuge and assassination;
As you probably have read, the prince is dead! ( long live the prince ). The spy is moving towards Moscow. Also, currently, the fort in Bosnia needs a name. Propose a name, other then fort Mustafa II or Aqizzar, or vote on one of both.
To my minister of justice and research;
First of all, we need a new research objective. Carbines will allow us to use cavalry which can wield guns, or we can choose economical or "Enlightened" objectives. Also, we currently have the ability to build barracks in Turkey and Baghdad. Shall we do this or not?
Tax raises to the nobility, as you requested, will start in the following year.
Also, currently, the fort in Bosnia needs a name. Propose a name, other then fort Mustafa II or Aqizzar ( :) ) or vote on one of both.
Post by: woose1 on April 09, 2009, 02:31:58 pm
I propose to call it "The Fortress of Loooove".
Post by: Asheron on April 09, 2009, 03:17:15 pm
Yay! I'm competant at my job!Inshallah! That's the name of your harem's house.
I propose to call it "The Fortress of Loooove".
Post by: Frelock on April 09, 2009, 04:15:21 pm
As to the Venetian front, do you think it is possible for the Patras army to take Venice? Naturally, we'd want about 50/50 odds before moving out. We not only need to take Venice, but also to hold it against all comers. Also, is Greece beginning to become stable? I'd rather not move the troops out before the province can support itself. I also need to talk to the minister of the Navy about convoying the troops from Greece to Venice. We have control of the seas at the moment, so I'm not too worried about them being sunk as they travel.
Reinforcements this turn should be allocated evenly among the Patras army and Fox army. The Crimean army should also get a unit or two from the region they're in before marching out. That takes priority, give them the money first, and divide the rest between the western armies.
As to the fort, I'm fine with fort Mustafa.
Post by: Asheron on April 09, 2009, 04:24:32 pm
Hmmm, the situation in Russia will eventually turn against us if we don't strike while the iron's hot. Wait for the spy's information to come back regarding Moscow, then, if it is deemed possible to take the region, have group Crimea march. We'll deal with the borders that gives us when they become a problem. Worst-case scenario: we're forced back to our old boarders, which is not excessively disappointing. That's if Russia decides to attack rather than make peace and give us a small amount of land.The Patras army cannot yet take on the Venetian army. Perhaps somewhere around turn 10 it will be ready. Greece is becoming stabilish. Enough so that it won't revolt if just a single unit stays in it, but it will still need to have taxes turned off.
As to the Venetian front, do you think it is possible for the Patras army to take Venice? Naturally, we'd want about 50/50 odds before moving out. We not only need to take Venice, but also to hold it against all comers. Also, is Greece beginning to become stable? I'd rather not move the troops out before the province can support itself. I also need to talk to the minister of the Navy about convoying the troops from Greece to Venice. We have control of the seas at the moment, so I'm not too worried about them being sunk as they travel.
Reinforcements this turn should be allocated evenly among the Patras army and Fox army. The Crimean army should also get a unit or two from the region they're in before marching out. That takes priority, give them the money first, and divide the rest between the western armies.
As to the fort, I'm fine with fort Mustafa.
Post by: Emperor_Jonathan on April 09, 2009, 05:54:13 pm
Post by: woose1 on April 09, 2009, 06:14:43 pm
LalalalalalalalalaIreallywantedfortressoflovelalalalalalalalala.....
Post by: Boksi on April 09, 2009, 06:22:22 pm
Post by: Asheron on April 10, 2009, 08:47:58 am
I'll go visit my harem while we wait for him.
Post by: Servant Corps on April 10, 2009, 09:15:45 am
Post by: Aqizzar on April 10, 2009, 10:32:44 am
With no specifics on what else there is to research besides military stuff, I can't give an informed opinion on what to focus on. The Empire's various battles seem well in hand for the moment, so let's try focusing on economic development. Can't fall behind the heathen Europeans in industrial knowledge.
No clue on the fort, I'll get back it later.
EDIT: Okay, I'm nominating naming the fort Enver Bey, after the main Turkish general of the First Balkan War, who whomped ass on the Italians.
Post by: Servant Corps on April 10, 2009, 12:10:16 pm
Unless we pretend that we're time travellers assisting the current Ottoman Sultan so he doesn't turn the Ottoman Empire into the Sick Man of Europe, we can't really just have stupid anchronisms pop up.
Oh whom I am kidding? Vote Fort Enver Bey.
Post by: Asheron on April 10, 2009, 01:16:55 pm
Ottoman Yearly
Issue 5, 1704 - 1706
Economics
Even as our armies grow and wars are fought, our treasury fills to spectacular levels! European infidels all over the world are in awe of our wealthy palaces!
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Foreign News
Austrians in a spot of trouble, Ottomans in a spot of luck!
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Reports are coming in from our embassies that France and Prussia have declared war on Austria, one of our archenemies. This is good news, as it may either free army group Fox for the invasion on Venice or it might even allow us to grab some more lands from the Habsburgs.
Great Britain seeks relations with our great empire!
British diplomats requested a trade agreement with our great sultan and supreme ruler, Mustafa II. However, our sultan took the wise decision of declining any sort of relationship with the infidel. As proven before, the British are nothing less then imperialistic heathens who wish nothing more then occupy and enslave our people! We shall not fall for any of their traps!
Army group Crimea stop miles before Moscow!
Army group Crimea has succesfully beaten Russian forces in Muscovy after a long and hard year. General Baltaci Mehmed, commander of army group Crimea has been given the Order of the Holy Banner for two important victories against Russian forces.
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300 Russian troops intercepted the 531 large army group that was marching towards Moscow.
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After a quick battle, in which Mehmed easily routed the Russian forces by using the superior Ottoman cavalry, the army group had lost 100 men, while the Russian army had lost 286 men.
Army group Crimea then continued it's march along the road Warsaw - Moscow. The army group managed to plunder a lot of merchandise on the busy trade route. Alarmed, the Russian army sended out an army to stop Crimea from reaching Moscow. Meanwhile, Russian forces occupied the east Ukrainian city of Kharkov.
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Mikahil Slutskaya, leading 303 men, attacked army group Crimea head on, while two extra regiments of line infantry encircled the Ottoman army.
Outnumbered AND outgunned, a bitter battle followed...
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Mehmed claims that the Russian line infantry were more then a match for the Ottoman army, even more, if it were not for the newly recruited Janissaries, army group Crimea would have suffered a crushing defeat.
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However, the Russian general died as honorably as a infidel could; by dieing while leading his men. Despite his death, the Russian line infantry kept fighting to the bitter end, though. They were crushed, but at a high price...
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Army group Crimea had suffered many losses, and it didn't even need to approach Moscow to know it was to heavily defended, as an Ottoman spy had gone undercover in our rival's capital city...
The only 164 men counting army group Crimea would stand no chance against the 660 men ( though most of them were ragtag militias ) stationed in Moscow.
Army group Crimea retreated to the southern border of Muscovy, where reinforcements were waiting from Kiev. 2 new Janissary regiments and a Isalys regiment stood ready for action.
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The battle for Moscow would have to wait for another year.
National News
Janissary drafts doubled!
To compensate for recent losses in the Crimean campaign, the amount of Janissary regiments will be doubled the coming year. The money for this increase will come from the tax raise issued by minister of justice and research Aqizzar.
Kayseri and Latakia
The town of Kayseri has officially reached the status of "city". The Anatolian city, famous for it's weavers, is an important source of revenue for the Ottoman Empire. That this city has grown so large is but another proof that the Ottoman industry and economy are not inferior to western ones!
With increasing productivity comes increasing trade, and thus the Syrian port of Latakia has been expanded by orders of our great sultan Mustafa II. May this port bring us all wealth and prosperity!
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Bosnian fort has been taken in service!
Fort Mohács is the new name of the fort that should keep Austrian armies out of Bosnia. The name is, of course, chosen after the famous battle, where Sulamein the Magnificent, blessed be his name, captured Bosnia from incompetent European hands. Perhaps the fort will never see action though, as Austrian forces are moving northwards to protect Austria from the Prussians, who, as we know, are a military superpower. Even Mustafa II speaks well of the Prussians, who, as the saying goes, do not have a government that owns an army but an army that owns a government.
Mistress Anatolia
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Mustafa II has recently declared that he has increased his harem with another mistress. This time, it is an Anatolian beauty. It is said that she is from noble descent, to the approval of many of the Ottoman nobility.
Common land enclosures to be applied within two years
Our scientists have determined that it is far more efficient to introduce standard land enclosures for farmers. These will increase income and efficiency, though it will remove the rights of the lower classes to graze their animals on common land. This could possibly anger the people, but this new introduction is for the better, according to many experts.
Military Updates
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Army group Crimea has suffered heavy losses and is being reinforced by Kiev. No other particular changes to the other army groups. Patras has gained three new regiments though.
Politics
Government approval: 61% and improving!
Minister cabinet; Servant Corps, Boksi, Frelock, woose1, Emperor_Jonathan, Aqizzar.
Current king; Mustafa II
Current allies; The Barbary States ( PROT ), The Crimean Khanat ( PROT ), Morrocco, Persia
Current trade agreements; Persia, Poland-Lithuania, The Crimean Khanate, The Barbary States, Mughal Empire
Current enemies; Venice, Russia
Post by: Aqizzar on April 10, 2009, 03:12:07 pm
Asheron, might I suggest planning out the post in a text program, instead of this "holdonwaitaminutealmostthere" constant editing?
Post by: Asheron on April 10, 2009, 03:15:51 pm
Posting after nebulous post.Hmm. That is... quite a good idea actually. Thanks. I have no idea why I never thought of that.
Asheron, might I suggest planning out the post in a text program, instead of this "holdonwaitaminutealmostthere" constant editing?
Post by: Asheron on April 10, 2009, 03:59:59 pm
There has been a spark, and it has ignited. Austria is now at war with Prussia and France, two mayor powers. Shall we make it three, or leave them be? ( the rhyme was not intended )
To my minister of finances;
The tax income has gone up again, thank
To my minister of war and religion;
Though we were victorious in Muscovy, Moscow still is in Russian hands. I suggest trying again.
Also, if both army group Patras and Fox decide to attack Venice, we will surely win. With the declaration of war from France and Prussia against Austria, this might be possible. On the other hand, army group Fox may also be used to attack Austria, though the amount of forces they have at our borders is still impressive.
To my minister of naval affairs;
Hmm. I guess we should move a part of our fleet to Patras to pick up army group Patras if we decide to attack the following year. There is also some good news; the Crimean Khanate has built a fleet and it is moving in to the mediterrenean, which gives us more power to count on if we go to war against a mayor naval power.
To my minister of subterfuge and assassination;
The spy has succesfully infiltrated Moscow. It can stay there or move somewhere else, though I recommend keeping it so that it can give us up-to-date information.
To my minister of justice and research;
Research has started on common land enclosures, as you can read about in the Ottoman Yearly. The situation in Patras has stabilized, and we can safely turn taxes off. Less money has gone in to development of our industry because of the Crimean campaign and the planning of the Venetian invasion, though we can easily create some military facilities in the far east. These will allow us to produce some of the more basic and vitally needed units in an army in case Persia, Georgia... would want to attack us. They are relatively cheap ( 750 for a single city, with three cities being able to build one ). Shall we build them or use the money to build some roads in the Balkan?
Post by: Servant Corps on April 10, 2009, 05:05:10 pm
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To my minister of diplomacy;
There has been a spark, and it has ignited. Austria is now at war with Prussia and France, two mayor powers. Shall we make it three, or leave them be? ( the rhyme was not intended )
Make at thee. We speak well of the Prussians, we might as well follow up our words with action.
Post by: woose1 on April 10, 2009, 05:14:00 pm
Hmm. I guess we should move a part of our fleet to Patras to pick up army group Patras if we decide to attack the following year. There is also some good news; the Crimean Khanate has built a fleet and it is moving in to the mediterrenean, which gives us more power to count on if we go to war against a mayor naval power.Do this.
Make sure to escort them fairly well, too. It sucks to lose a whole army. And keep an eye on that 'Crimean Khanate'. Werent those guys the main source of piracy back then? Or was the the Barbarary States? I need to look up on my history.
Post by: Asheron on April 10, 2009, 05:16:49 pm
The Barbary States were a mayor pirate state who enslaved and pillaged regularly. They are our protectorates though, so I wouldn't worry. They are both Islamic too.Hmm. I guess we should move a part of our fleet to Patras to pick up army group Patras if we decide to attack the following year. There is also some good news; the Crimean Khanate has built a fleet and it is moving in to the mediterrenean, which gives us more power to count on if we go to war against a mayor naval power.Do this.
Make sure to escort them fairly well, too. It sucks to lose a whole army. And keep an eye on that 'Crimean Khanate'. Werent those guys the main source of piracy back then? Or was the the Barbarary States? I need to look up on my history.
Post by: Boksi on April 10, 2009, 05:20:33 pm
What's our wealth growth right now, anyway?
Post by: Asheron on April 10, 2009, 05:26:05 pm
Since there's really nothing else to do, I'll merely take credit for our great financial situation.We are now at 7600 a turn, so thats a growth of about 1000 from 1704.
What's our wealth growth right now, anyway?
If you are talking about wealth growth of our provinces, not of our taxes, our wealth growth is going pretty badly purely because we are playing on hard. Somewhere around the -10 a turn.
Post by: Boksi on April 10, 2009, 05:39:48 pm
Hmph. It's not that bad. Negative growth is bad, but this isn't that much. It'll take many turns to lose a significant amount of income, and we can make up for it with infrastructure.
Post by: Frelock on April 10, 2009, 05:43:07 pm
Make at thee. We speak well of the Prussians, we might as well follow up our words with action.
Very well. Have army group Fox march on Croasia (or whatever that province is which stands between us and Venice). The troops on their boarders are disturbing, but hopefully we'll be able to deal with them. I personally would suggest waiting for another year, so that the Austrians may withdraw more troops, but if our minister of diplomacy wants war, it shall be done.
Army group Patras, meanwhile, will move up the coast to reinforce army group Fox. They will assist in driving back the Austrians, and will be very near to Venice for its final invasion.
As to the Crimean army, the losses were unfortunate. Still, if you believe that we can take Moscow, I give my blessing with the invasion. Force the Russians to come to us, begging for peace. However, don't waste our men's lives needlessly. If there are too many battles between them and Moscow, pull back.
Almost all recruitment should go to army group Fox. They'll need it. There should be a little left, however, to go towards army group Crimea.
Post by: Emperor_Jonathan on April 10, 2009, 06:47:11 pm
Post by: Servant Corps on April 10, 2009, 07:21:49 pm
Because if it is the former, I can't help but think it to be a waste of time. Sure, we get rid of the Third Rome and prove the Tsar's claim to lead the Roman Empire as false...but...
Post by: Emperor_Jonathan on April 10, 2009, 07:24:06 pm
((i.e. Wave after wave of russians injure our mens?))
Post by: Servant Corps on April 10, 2009, 07:45:39 pm
1) Engage in a massive conversion of all Othrodox Chrisitans into Sunni Muslims, while all the time dealing with constant rebellions
2) Dilute our Muslim character.
If we want to annex Russia into our empire, #2 is the best possiblity. If we do that, we have to change our properganda. We have to believe that the Ottoman Empire is an empire that bring benieft to all people in the East, wheter they are Muslims or Non-Muslims. We have to believe that the Ottoman Empire will act as an effective bulwark against the West's decedance, and protect the glory of Eastern Civilization. In addition to stressing our Islamic hertiage, we would have to come up with a new ideology, the ideology of "Ottomanism", the belief that the Ottoman Empire is the future.
It is up to Mustafa II if he desires this.
Post by: Aqizzar on April 11, 2009, 01:48:33 am
Spend the money to build roads in the Balkans. With open war in Central Europe, rapid deployment and movement of troops will be vital, along with properly linking these new territories into the rest of the Empire. Although I'm loath to leave our military capacity in the Far East unfulfilled (I was going to recommend building those barracks last turn), Persia and the Mughals probably won't attack at a moment's notice.
Post by: Asheron on April 12, 2009, 09:33:27 am
Issue 6, 1706 - 1708
Economics
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A very very slight boost in income.
Foreign News
Traitor Georgians invade and annexate Armenia!
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The Georgians have declared war on our great empire and has invaded our weaker provinces in the east! After an unequal battle, Yerevan, Armenia, was captured.
Mustafa II swears he will crush the invading Georgians and that Tbilisi will burn! Persia has agreed to join in the war against the Georgians.
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Troops are already gathering around the borders of Armenia. Army group Far East will be ready to strike within a year or two.
Sweden captures Moscow!
In one of the weirdest series of battles in the history of warfare, Sweden has wrestled control of Moscow. Army group Crimea annihilated Russian forces defending Moscow,
but was unable to conquer it's center as it was still making it's way through the rural lands of Muscovy. Sweden forces, however, managed to take Moscow due to their superior
speed. Army group Crimea has been quickly moved to the borders of Muscovy to prevent diplomatic "accidents". Russia has not yet agreed to peace with the Ottoman Empire in
exchange for more land, despite the fact that it is clearly fighting a losing war.
Venice burns!
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Mustafa II, in his wisdom, has refused to declare war on Austria for this year.. Intel reports that no less then 2000 men are located in Croatia alone, which makes it impossible to
conquer unless both army groups can attack simultaniously, which they could not. Instead, military access was asked from Austria, and army group Patras and Fox attacked Venice.
After a long and harsh battle, the city was captured, and the world was shown a lesson about attacking the Ottoman Empire. A lesson Georgia still has to learn.
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General Mehmed, who led the attack and survived, surprisingly enough, was restored in honour.
Hostility breaks out between two Islamic brethren!
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Morrocco has attacked the Barbary States today. The Ottoman Empire has chosen the side of it's protectorate and the stronger country, the Barbary States.
Mustafa II sincerely hopes that the conflict will be resolved soon and that a peaceful agreement can be made between the two states.
National News
Technological advancement!
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Common land enclosures has now become the standard in the Ottoman Empire, allowing the agriculture in the Ottoman Empire to be a lot more efficient. The improvement still
has to be applied to a lot of our land though.
Drafts in Far East!
As a response to the Georgian invasion, forces are being recruited in the Far East to form army group Far East. All able men appointed for recruitment will have to serve in the army,
refusal will be punished with beheading.
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General Abdulhamid Rifat will be in charge of the army group.
Military Updates
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Both army group Patras and army group Fox are now in Venice, keeping the peace for the time being. Army group Crimea has been moved to the northern borders of the Crimea,
after the debacle at Moscow.
Army group Far East is forming in the... Far East.
Politics
Government approval: 60% and improving!
Minister cabinet; Servant Corps, Boksi, Frelock, woose1, Emperor_Jonathan, Aqizzar.
Current king; Mustafa II
Current allies; The Barbary States ( PROT ), The Crimean Khanat ( PROT ), Persia
Current trade agreements; Persia, Poland-Lithuania, The Crimean Khanate, The Barbary States, Mughal Empire
Current enemies; Russia, Georgia
Post by: Asheron on April 12, 2009, 09:40:26 am
The recent troubles with Georgia and Morrocco are disturbing to say the least, and Austria seems to be rather problematic too. Advice on a further course is needed.
To my minister of finances;
With the introduction of common land enclosures, agriculture will somewhat grow, though with some investment we can make it boom even more. Shall we invest more in to war or in to these agricultural improvements?
To my minister of war and religion;
I have already started creating army group Far East to retaliate against Georgia. Our two army groups in Venice are victorious, and might need relocation to places where they are needed, but on the other hand, Austria must be kept in check.
To my minister of naval affairs;
With the defeat of Venice, our fleet is no longer need in the Adriatic. We may move it out. To where shall it set sail?
To my minister of subterfuge and assassination;
Our spy is of not much use anymore now Sweden has captured Moscow. We could move it towards Russian territories or towards Georgia;
To my minister of justice and research;
Common land enclosures are researched. Next to more profit to our agriculture, it also enabled new agricultural buildings to be made. Each one costs 750, but each one will bring in extra revenue.
Also, we might need to start investing in military infrastructure in the Far East now that Georgia invaded us.
Post by: woose1 on April 12, 2009, 09:41:47 am
Have some of our fleet escort the indianman, meanwhile keep the rest where it is. You may never know when we will need it.
Post by: Boksi on April 12, 2009, 09:45:05 am
Post by: Servant Corps on April 12, 2009, 11:27:16 am
Is there any reason, any reason whatsoever Morroco declared war on the Barbay Pirates? Did Morroco have any cores? Anything at all? Do we really need to intervene in such a war?
Is Russia becoming a failed state? Are we going to risk war with Sweden to gain control of Moscow?
I think it's best to focus on Georgia, ignore Morroco.
Post by: Frelock on April 12, 2009, 12:23:40 pm
Keep army group Patras in Venice, and have army group Fox march back to our regular lands. Then, travel along the Austrian Boarder in order to reach where army group Crimea is now. I understand this will take a while, but we need more troops on the eastern front.
As to army group Crimea, send them south-east to the Russian Provence that stands between Crimea and Georgia. We'll take the territory from the Russians, while at the same time putting more pressure on Georgia.
Army group Far East (is that really the best name you could come up with?) should either hold position, or patrol the boarders watching out for any further Georgian incursion. Most reinforcements should go to this army, with the remainder going to army group Crimea.
Post by: Servant Corps on April 12, 2009, 12:30:40 pm
1) Engage in a massive conversion of all Othrodox Chrisitans into Sunni Muslims, while all the time dealing with constant rebellions
2) Dilute our Muslim character.
Also, can we form puppets?
Post by: Frelock on April 12, 2009, 12:35:10 pm
Naturally, we must go for option 1. We must silence these infidels for their own good, and spread Allah's true message and the prosperity that is Islam. Rebellions can be dealt with in the same way the territories were conquered in the first place.
Post by: Asheron on April 12, 2009, 01:16:45 pm
Okay, so we...annexed Venice? Is the war against Venice over or something? I'm confused.Yes. You can clearly see the image with "Nation destroyed" on it.
Is there any reason, any reason whatsoever Morroco declared war on the Barbay Pirates? Did Morroco have any cores? Anything at all? Do we really need to intervene in such a war?
Is Russia becoming a failed state? Are we going to risk war with Sweden to gain control of Moscow?
I think it's best to focus on Georgia, ignore Morroco.
Morroco simply declared war because it wanted to expand, I think. We don't need to intervene. We would simply let the stronger one win and annexate the other one and make peace with him.
Russia is currently in a really bad position, yes. Going to war with Sweden is something I would rather not do at this point, we have enough to care about already.
Post by: Asheron on April 12, 2009, 01:17:31 pm
Army group Far East (is that really the best name you could come up with?):'(
Post by: Asheron on April 12, 2009, 01:18:47 pm
Again, we are going to absorb a lot of Othrodox population. I'm posing the question again, this time to the Minister of War and Religion:Not really. The closest thing to a puppet is a protectorate.
1) Engage in a massive conversion of all Othrodox Chrisitans into Sunni Muslims, while all the time dealing with constant rebellions
2) Dilute our Muslim character.
Also, can we form puppets?
Post by: Emperor_Jonathan on April 12, 2009, 07:19:02 pm
Post by: Asheron on April 13, 2009, 06:46:44 pm
Post by: Asheron on April 15, 2009, 10:05:06 am
Issue 7, 1708
Economics
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The treasury's new results are heartening; the Ottoman Empire's tax revenue has gone up once again.
Foreign News
Treaty of Astrakhan signed!
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Ottoman and Russian diplomats have signed a temporary ceasefire today. The Russians were unwilling to conform to any treaty at first, but the recent loss of Don Voisko to the Ottoman Empire and their military failures against Sweden has turned them desperate. The treaty determines that all annexated territories stay under the control of Ottoman rulership, and that the region of Astrakhan comes under Ottoman command too.
Much controversy is supected to arsie around this treaty, both by Russians and Ottomans. Naturally, the Russian nobility is outraged by these extra losses of territory, and Ottoman nobility do not have the feeling yet that enough territory and Orthodox blood has been spilled. However, with the treaty comes an end to the Russo-Ottoman war. The first one, atleast. The Crimean Khanate has announced, however, that it will not cease fighting with Russia.
Army group Far East renamed!
Army group Far East has been renamed to Army group Armenia after it's victory against Georgian forces. Urrah!
Yerevan celebrates liberation!
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Ottoman forces liberated Georgian-occupied Yerevan today. With this, Armenia is once again under Ottoman control, as it should be. The battle was won after a short fight between army group Armenia and the garrisoned forces of Georgia. Most of the Georgian occupation forces were already defeated earlier along the borders of Armenia. The 344 men counting army group defeated 157 Georgians in a heroic victory, in which, NO casualties has been reported on Ottoman side. The cause for this amazing victory would be the quick death of the Georgian general, Sofoklis Katsanafou, and the perfect use of irregulars, who ambushed the already wavering Georgians.
Austria takes a beating from Prussia!
Austria has lost Silesia, it's most northern region, to Prussia. Whether the Austrians will be able to retake it remains a mystery.
National News
Order of the Hashashin reformed by Mustafa II!
Mustafa II has reformed the Hashashin organization in such a way that it now has much closer ties to our glorious Ottoman government, instead of a rogue organization who was just as likely to kill brethren as infidels.
The direct reward of this reform is the appearance of new Hashashin agents in the Balkan. One in Bosnia, and one in Moldavia.
Military Updates
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Ottoman forces are zeroing in on Tblisi, Georgia. With the recent treaty with Russia, they are our only enemies that border us. We should perhaps, give a look at the Italian states. Army group Patras might move in on Rome and capture it for us.
Politics
Government approval: 70% and improving!
Minister cabinet; Servant Corps, Boksi, Frelock, woose1, Emperor_Jonathan, Aqizzar.
Current king; Mustafa II
Current allies; The Barbary States ( PROT ), The Crimean Khanat ( PROT ), Persia
Current trade agreements; Persia, Poland-Lithuania, The Crimean Khanate, The Barbary States, Mughal Empire
Current enemies; Georgia, Morroco
Post by: Asheron on April 15, 2009, 12:40:47 pm
Though I am not sure if you agree with the ceasefire, we should focus us on the time being on Georgia. After all, a ceasefire is not permanent. ;)
Also, I have been having a look at possible areas to expand in. The Italian States, as someone has already dropped some time ago, have no allies, but are liked by all christian factions. We could risk attacking them, especially since we have army group Patras in Venice, possibly looking at completely annexating Italy by storming Lombardy and Napels, both Spanish territories. An other possibility is taking the battle to Morroco, though that would mean a lot of effort to get our forces there and a lot of wasted forces for some time. And even then, we might need to give the province to the Barbary States for stability reasons, or trade it away for Tunis ( though we will still get 60% of their income ).
To my minister of finances and colonisation;
It will be your job to request our minister of war and diplomacy for more colonisation, though this might be not beneficial to the empire for the moment. In the case we go and take colonies, I suggest we go to India, which can more easily be reached. The infidels of the Maratha Confederacy, are, after all, enemies of the Muslimic Mughal Empire, who can be considered brethren.
To my minister of war and religion;
I have but three things to say. VICTORY, VICTORY, VICTORY! After our defeat in Armenia and the disgrace around Moscow, it would seem the tide once again turned. With two new regions and Armenia regained, I suggest we now focus our forces to take Georgia down asap. Then, we could try to take on Dagestan ( the other micronation next to it ) or make it our protectorate ( Dagestan is Islamic too ). All your orders have been carried out.
To my minister of naval affairs;
The indiamen are under construction. Yarrrrgh. Fleet Gerakaris has moved a little bit to the south to extend it's range of action.
To my minister of subterfuge and assassination;
Two new spies in the Balkan! What shall they do?
To my minister of justice and research;
Strangely enough, it would seem the Russian peoples we annexated are content enough that they will not revolt, even if we tax them... though I would advise investing in some roads there. Honestly, those regions are quite backwards for now. I'll be posting some of our research option asap, though they mostly come down to; boost our economy or boost our military. The nobility seem awkwardly happy with us from the moment. We might need to correct this strange occasion with more taxes.
Post by: Boksi on April 15, 2009, 01:03:12 pm
Post by: Servant Corps on April 15, 2009, 01:39:47 pm
To my minister of diplomacy;
Though I am not sure if you agree with the ceasefire, we should focus us on the time being on Georgia. After all, a ceasefire is not permanent. ;)
Also, I have been having a look at possible areas to expand in. The Italian States, as someone has already dropped some time ago, have no allies, but are liked by all christian factions. We could risk attacking them, especially since we have army group Patras in Venice, possibly looking at completely annexating Italy by storming Lombardy and Napels, both Spanish territories. An other possibility is taking the battle to Morroco, though that would mean a lot of effort to get our forces there and a lot of wasted forces for some time. And even then, we might need to give the province to the Barbary States for stability reasons, or trade it away for Tunis ( though we will still get 60% of their income ).
Resurrecting the Society of Assassins? Far be it to me to question your wisdom, but...the Society of Assassins are Shia Seveners. They aren't even part of the mainstrem Twelvers. Eh.
I'm fine with the ceasefire. Less population to absorb. But Russia is a basketcase, and by the time the ceasefire is expired, I'm expecting Russia to be wiped off the map by other powers. It's your choice though.
Invade Italy, take over Rome. The Christans don't like us, and we don't like the Chrisitans. Besides, war between Muslims is something we should avoid...altough if the conflict continues, I think we do have to intervene against the Morrocans who desire to expand onto Muslim territory for no good reason.
Giving away our territory for...stability...reasons? What a strange concept. Our empire is large enough to absorb any Muslim populations. I wouldn't give away our territory unless we have no other choice, altough even in that case, it would be better to trade it off to Tunis.
Minister of Finances and Colonization, I would like to know how the colonies in Arabia is doing. Also, how do you feel about colonization prospects in the 'New World' (North and South America)?
Post by: Frelock on April 15, 2009, 02:15:54 pm
Meanwhile, use army groups Crimea and Armenia to strike at Georgia itself. With us coming from both the north and south, I can't see any way they will survive. Then, have army group Crimea return to the north, and be ready to strike at Russia.
Recruitment should go mainly to army groups Patras and Fox.
Post by: Boksi on April 15, 2009, 02:22:04 pm
Post by: Asheron on April 15, 2009, 02:33:38 pm
Shia Seveners... mainstream Twelvers? Eh?To my minister of diplomacy;
Though I am not sure if you agree with the ceasefire, we should focus us on the time being on Georgia. After all, a ceasefire is not permanent. ;)
Also, I have been having a look at possible areas to expand in. The Italian States, as someone has already dropped some time ago, have no allies, but are liked by all christian factions. We could risk attacking them, especially since we have army group Patras in Venice, possibly looking at completely annexating Italy by storming Lombardy and Napels, both Spanish territories. An other possibility is taking the battle to Morroco, though that would mean a lot of effort to get our forces there and a lot of wasted forces for some time. And even then, we might need to give the province to the Barbary States for stability reasons, or trade it away for Tunis ( though we will still get 60% of their income ).
Resurrecting the Society of Assassins? Far be it to me to question your wisdom, but...the Society of Assassins are Shia Seveners. They aren't even part of the mainstrem Twelvers. Eh.
I'm fine with the ceasefire. Less population to absorb. But Russia is a basketcase, and by the time the ceasefire is expired, I'm expecting Russia to be wiped off the map by other powers. It's your choice though.
Invade Italy, take over Rome. The Christans don't like us, and we don't like the Chrisitans. Besides, war between Muslims is something we should avoid...altough if the conflict continues, I think we do have to intervene against the Morrocans who desire to expand onto Muslim territory for no good reason.
Giving away our territory for...stability...reasons? What a strange concept. Our empire is large enough to absorb any Muslim populations. I wouldn't give away our territory unless we have no other choice, altough even in that case, it would be better to trade it off to Tunis.
Minister of Finances and Colonization, I would like to know how the colonies in Arabia is doing. Also, how do you feel about colonization prospects in the 'New World' (North and South America)?
Anyway, I didn't really reformed them. It was just a bit of fluff to explain the sudden arrival of two new hashashin.
And, with stability reasons, I meant that it would be hard to defend Morroco if Spain decided to invade it, seeing how far it would be from our other territories, and how far it would be from any sizeable amount of forces. Tunis, on the other hand, would be shielded by Barbary territory and sea from the north ( which is easier to control for us ).
Oh, browsed the Shia Seveners and Twelvers thing. I am not a picky sultan. All muslims are welcome.
Also, IF Russia gets wiped out, remember that it will be by the Sweden, who likes us the most for a reason. Hell, he is in "green" on the diplomacy screen. So it wouldn't be that off a concern.
Post by: Servant Corps on April 15, 2009, 02:45:12 pm
Post by: Asheron on April 15, 2009, 06:36:29 pm
Ah, gotcha Asheron. I thought it was like EU, when you expand too fast, you gain more BadBoy points, meaning the people are more likely to rebel against you for artibrary reasons.If you expand too fast, other nations DO start to dislike you.
Post by: woose1 on April 15, 2009, 06:42:46 pm
Yarg.
Post by: Emperor_Jonathan on April 15, 2009, 06:45:14 pm
Post by: Asheron on April 16, 2009, 01:55:50 pm
Post by: Aqizzar on April 16, 2009, 07:12:50 pm
Taxes? Taxes look fine. Not worried about that.
You haven't described any of the research options, so I can't choose between them.
And dammit, I knew I should have recommended building those barracks a couple turns ago. Get on that.
Post by: Asheron on April 17, 2009, 08:48:56 am
Here is my rather expertly made research table. Eeerh. Yes.
Post by: Aqizzar on April 17, 2009, 09:46:40 am
Out of every choice, my absolute rationalist attitude allows me no option besides Empiricism. If there's time left (I don't know how time works), the Steam Pump, because anachronistically advanced steam industry is just plain cool.
Post by: Asheron on April 17, 2009, 09:50:49 am
Am I to understand that those are all the research options we have to choose between? And that the number in the upper right is time-to-research or some such?Yes, those are all the options for the moment. The number is the amount of turns we need, with a turn being 6 months, and I update every 2/3/4 turns.
Out of every choice, my absolute rationalist attitude allows me no option besides Empiricism. If there's time left (I don't know how time works), the Steam Pump, because anachronistically advanced steam industry is just plain cool.
Post by: Asheron on April 19, 2009, 01:04:19 pm