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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #1680 on: April 27, 2012, 12:43:14 pm »

Since adamantine is so light, will adamantine minecarts be able to "float" on the surface of water? Like act as odd boats? :P Or does DF not have a concept of surface tension or bouyancy?
Nope, no hint at all that buoyancy has been added to the game at all.
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #1681 on: April 27, 2012, 01:20:55 pm »

Well then: Any plans for boats to be added if candy carts sink?
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #1682 on: April 27, 2012, 01:26:43 pm »

Well then: Any plans for boats to be added if candy carts sink?
Yep, vehicles of all sorts are planned, and boats themselves have been brought up in multiple DF Talks.

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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #1683 on: April 27, 2012, 07:25:24 pm »

Can the mine carts be fully automated, or do you still need a dwarf to push the cart off the stop?
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #1684 on: April 27, 2012, 10:54:21 pm »

The lye/water issues, yes. You know, buckets full of stuff that can't be used.
Do you mean the bug that was resolved on the 16th and is mentioned on the dev log?
Probably, I haven't been keeping up that well.
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« Reply #1685 on: April 27, 2012, 11:27:48 pm »

Wooo, so many improvements! Minecart brakes! Workshops with dedicated stockpiles! Stockpiles that can be used in feeder chains without worry about other clutter! I'm so very very excited about this.
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« Reply #1686 on: April 28, 2012, 01:05:34 am »

Wooo, so many improvements! Minecart brakes! Workshops with dedicated stockpiles! Stockpiles that can be used in feeder chains without worry about other clutter! I'm so very very excited about this.

Wow, me too!   I really love that Toady takes the time to implement features right; the hauling changes have been far more sweeping than I had imagined they would be.  Not only that but they sound immensely fun, used either seriously or for Fun.  I probably say this every release, but I cant think of another game in development with features that are so awesome.
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #1687 on: April 28, 2012, 05:57:25 am »

I dont think we can set up real feeder chain with stockpiles yet, but this is defiantly a step in the right direction, but I wouldnt be really surprised if the stockpiles still had the limitation of One Link.
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #1688 on: April 28, 2012, 10:07:07 am »

I dont think we can set up real feeder chain with stockpiles yet, but this is defiantly a step in the right direction, but I wouldnt be really surprised if the stockpiles still had the limitation of One Link.

We couldn't distribute items with stockpiles before, but now if we can limit where the items feed into stockpiles from, we can have multiple 'origin' stockpiles that feed into the next step in the chain which only takes from their associated origin. The reverse was already entirely possible.
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« Reply #1689 on: April 28, 2012, 03:40:59 pm »

Along with the changes to stockpiles and workshops you mentioned, is it possible for multiple smaller stockpiles to take from a single "clearing house" stockpile, essentially creating a centralized distribution network? Last I checked this wasn't possible.

Also, will workshops be able to only take from a designated input stockpile?
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« Reply #1690 on: April 28, 2012, 11:39:53 pm »

You've mentioned that you're working how minecarts are stored, as well as optimizing bin usage. Are we going to see little stations that can store minecarts or bins, or whatever, that are different in some way from stockpiles? For example, if you're training up your carpenters on minecarts, the unused, spare minecarts would just be tossed into a stockpile, but you could build a "minecart shed" that was hooked up to the tracks and tell it "OK, I've assigned 7 minecarts to this track, and when you're done with them put them back here." Otherwise, for example, you could have a situation where when Urist McHauler finishes running ten pieces of chalk down to the smelters, he drags the cart all the way to the stockpile, and then when he needs a new one, he goes back to the stockpile and drags it back up onto the tracks, which strikes me as probably sort of inefficient and also possibly leading to congestion if you've got a stockpile set to accept chalk and 15 idle haulers decide "Hey, I'm gonna go drag down some chalk." This way, you'd be able to say, in effect, "No more than 10 carts on the track at a time, and here are the 10 you can use."
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #1691 on: April 29, 2012, 12:17:59 am »

Along with the changes to stockpiles and workshops you mentioned, is it possible for multiple smaller stockpiles to take from a single "clearing house" stockpile, essentially creating a centralized distribution network?[/color] Last I checked this wasn't possible.
After rereading it again, the changes done to stockpiles, is that you can make then Exclusive to their One Link. The list of Valid Links were expanded, to include Workshops (output only), & Minecart stops.
So largely stockpiles will function the same.


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Also, will workshops be able to only take from a designated input stockpile?
From the currently available dev log, nope. It says "...to give only", so you'll still have to use close stockpiles.

EDIT: With the Dev Log on April 29th my answers are moot.
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #1692 on: April 29, 2012, 02:43:29 am »

Wooo, so many improvements! Minecart brakes! Workshops with dedicated stockpiles! Stockpiles that can be used in feeder chains without worry about other clutter! I'm so very very excited about this.

Wow, me too!   I really love that Toady takes the time to implement features right; the hauling changes have been far more sweeping than I had imagined they would be.  Not only that but they sound immensely fun, used either seriously or for Fun.  I probably say this every release, but I cant think of another game in development with features that are so awesome.
I love this and I hope that "only one link" limitation will be removed.
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #1693 on: April 29, 2012, 11:41:18 am »

After going through the new DF talk I wound up with a few questions unrelated to the current hauling changes, but certainly relevant to the future of the fortress. Now that site continuation after worldgen is being considered, could we get a glimpse into your thoughts on how you are going to implement it? Are you considering something involving an actual continuation of worldgen where cities can expand their walls and wars are waged, or something simpler like checking population, available jobs, need for food, etc. and then recalculating population and goods every year?
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #1694 on: April 29, 2012, 04:21:30 pm »

Would it be possible to use the rail framework thing to create a way to move siege engines around? I think it was mentioned somewhere in the DF talk but I'm not sure. What else are you planning to use rails with in the future? Are moving wall sections a possibility?
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