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[Delioth]

"... And the heroes sealed the Endless Destruction, Dahak, in the depths of the world, bound with chains forged by Torag and enchantments woven by Nethys, never to seek the light of day or night again."
-From Annals of the Heroes of the Dawn, Year 4 of the Sealed Era (1973 years ago)



"The ground convulsed as though it were flimsiest silk in the claws of an angry dragon. A sound greater than the greatest thunder or loudest banshee erupted from the ground beneath mine feet.
Houses fell. A fire broke out in the Ale's Wrath. Our walls seemed to shake in fear, but looked like they would weather the quake.
And then the unspeakable happened.

The Keep buckled.

The Keep collapsed.

Our most impenetrable keep that stood in the face of a countless draconic onslaught- that held fast against seventeen years of constant bombardment from Hell's Denizens.
Crumpled like a house of sticks in a tornado.
My liege... My friends... I could care less...
But...

I signed that damned contract.

They vowed...
My family...
Hell broke our agreement.

Well... At least my soul is mine again...

I'll be damned."
-Last comments on life from Baen Dirae, late herald of the late Lord Belenus of the destroyed Sagiv Keep, and one of the Seven Traitors. Dawn of the Cataclysmic Era (Present)



"... and from the rift that was the earth shall arise the Dragon Below, Sealed by the Four Heroes of the Dawn. And thence shall also creep forth armies from the Three Planes of Damnation to overtake the mortal realm...
-Prophecy of Seer Faath, Dawn of the Prophesied Era (7 years Ago)



Hey, this is a campaign taking place in a world that went through the above events.

Spoiler: General Policy and Rulings (click to show/hide)

1: As GM, it is my job to let you guys have fun. As Players, it is your job to have fun- together. Don't cheese too much that it  spoils everyone else's game, and don't hog the spotlight.

1a: As it's my job to let you guys have fun, I'm very liberal in what I'll let you guys do- just ask if you've got a concept you've wanted to play or have a solution to a problem in-game that is unique and may or may not have rules. Seeing as this is on Forums, I have time to consult with myself to come up with a ruling for it that is both sensible and fair.
2: If we get to a combat scene and someone's turn is up and waiting for 36 hours, your turn will be delayed in the initiative until you do take your turn. (I.E. Joey gets his turn at initiative count 15, but doesn't say anything. I get to it 40 hours later and pass initiative to the wolves they are fighting at count 13, and then to Susan at count 8. If Susan hasn't taken her turn yet and Joey responds, his initiative will change to function at count 8/9(before Susan.)

3: If you write a backstory, it's true. If anyone else writes a backstory, it's true. The world revolves around you guys (at least so much as if you say 'there's a town to the east named Haven,' in your story, then there's a town named Haven to the east. Don't write in stupid stuff like there's a spear in your town that kills everything on sight, though. I will redact that.

4: I don't use the regular XP charts with big numbers and stuff, it's not worth keeping track of. Instead, you level up every 30 XP. Normal encounters are worth 2-3 XP, weaks are 1, strongs are 4-5. Roleplaying and skirting encounters with ingenuity are worth 1-2 XP as well.

5: I'm using nice pretty Roll20 Maps for both battles and other maps.

Spoiler: Character Creation (click to show/hide)

32 point buy
I'd like everyone to be CR 15, but at max 14 class levels. This means you need to find an additional CR somewhere (templates, different races, &c.) We can discuss here what seems fair.
Normal WBL for PC's
Any Paizo content is legal.
Dreamscarred Press is legal as well (Psionics and Path of War)
Send me links to anything non-Paizo that you want to use.

I like developed stories and perspective as well, so write at least something about your history- you're ECL 15, you've got some exploits under your belt. Physical descriptions of your character are welcome and appreciated as well.

Spoiler: Houserules (click to show/hide)

-The character's identity is a natural infohazard, and wipes itself from the memory of those who learn it.
I'd probably allow a will save, and at CR 15, probably should make it around DC 22. +1.5 CR (round down)

-The character's words cause the listener to fall into a highly suggestible state.
Just sounds like a 1st-level bard's fascinate, on all the time (hint, it's just using perform(oratory)). I'd say it functions exactly the same as the listed bard ability (DC would be 10+1/2 character level+Cha modifier). 1st level ability at will? Sounds like cantrips. +1 CR

-The character can teleport at will.
This brings forth questions. Are you saying long-range teleport, as per the spell? or are you saying short range, like blinks?
The full-range teleport is a level 5 wizard spell at-will- standard action, 100 miles per character level and 1 additional person/3 levels. at level 12 that'd be teleporting the whole party (assuming everyone's medium) in a standard action/ CR +1.5 due to limited combat effectiveness.
For short ranges I'd give the same CR, but allow either move action for a 20' blink (can't make it more efficient than walking, now) or a swift action for 10'. this blink could be in the middle of normal movement. The blink as a swift action could be upgraded to 20', but you'd be fatigued for 2 rounds and couldn't use the blink during that time. CR +2 due to excellent combat possibilities (What's that? There are feats that let you hurt a lot more when you're attacking with a jump? What's that? I'll houserule that a spear coming down from 20' hurts more than one from equal footing? Might be easier to dodge.) Just to say it at the end of the paragraph, CR +2
ERRATA: You can only blink once per round- if you swift action blink you can't move action blink, and vice versa. You can use your swift blink in the middle of a move action, though. I'll also say that the fatigue that comes from an overcharged blink doesn't kick in until the end of your turn.



-The character can alter their appearance at will.
Sounds like that one druid ability- a thousand faces. I they get that at level 13.. but it's only a 2nd level spell at will. CR +0.5 (round up)


-The character exists only in the mind of a single subject, dominating them, and can jump to a new host on contact.
Sounds kinda like a permanent magic jar... that's a level 5 spell on at-will status... With pretty high potential for combat use and significant use for subterfuge- it doesn't say humanoid, just sentient (it states nonsentient doesn't have a soul to exchange with). CR +2.

-The character has Pounce, Improved Grab, tentacles, flight, a good Fast Healing (or better yet, Regeneration/-), and a ludicrous Strength score.
Pounce, tentacles (per tentacle), Strength (per point), and fast healing (per point)= CR +0.5
Flight, Improved Grab= CR +1


-Kobold Terminator (MNII: This is the Half-Golem idea.)
For half-golems, see page 43-44 of this: http://chet.kindredcircle.org/pdf/DnD3.5Index-Templates.pdf
Anything printed in that guide will be accepted as written.


-Greater Invisibility At-Will
+2 CR. If you were to limit it to something like 1-2/day, I'd consider +1 CR.


-Mindflayers (of Thoon?)
Only if you can find documentation for them. They're probably something like 6 hd and LA/CR +5.


-The CubeYou see nothing!
No. I'm not sure what you're referencing, but no. And I do see that.


-Cloud Ray Flying Fortress
14,000 GP for the Cloud Ray.
Either this or use an instant fortress. (as written)
Why do you need CR for it? It's a trained animal with a building on top.


-Bunch of Size bonuses, and people to use the character as a moving siege tower, complete with murder holes, cannons, ballistae, etc.
Just use a siege tower. You can recruit slaves workers for silver pieces a day. Even less, since every nearby source of employment is collapsed, burning, overrun, demonic, or some combination of those four. (wages for unskilled labor -1/2. Mercenaries are still taking full wage.)
I have no problem with the party wheeling around siege equipment. If you want to overtake a castle, you can (spoilers)

-Throwing things
What do you mean?

-Immunity to Attacks of Opportunity
I probably just wouldn't allow that. CR +8 just so I can say that I allowed it. Technically.

-FIRE
I'd allow the heat monster ability for CR +0.5, and +0.5 CR for every die step up from 1d6 (1d8 is +1, 1d10 is +1.5, &c.)
You could also count it as the 3rd level wizard spell elemental aura (2d6 damage to adjacent, targets catch on fire) for +2.5 CR

Spoiler: Characters (click to show/hide)

1: Demagogue, the Northern Shadow by Remuthra
2: W657, George Echo Foxtrot Whiskey, the Provisional Centurion or the Silent Deadeye by My Name Is Immaterial
3: K'sal, the Serpentfolk Champion by Unholy_Pariah
4: Sarae, Prophet of Wrath and the Aspect of Wrath by Rolepgeek
5: Half-Celestial Sorcerer, the... half-celestial sorcerer... by Flying Dice

Spoiler: Waitlist (click to show/hide)

?- PrivateNomad? - Greater Invisibility?
?- Dave David Davidson XX, the Internal Alchemist by The Froggy Ninja Has not finished, waitlisted.
?- Reserved (InstantHax - Melee something) Never again responded, waitlisted.

After several months of fighting the army of demons in your homeland, you are poised to eliminate the viceroy ruling over your lands.



"...And from the ashes of their homeland, five New Heroes will rise, and take back their homeland. The Flame of Hope will blaze once more." -Seer Faath

[My Name is Immaterial]

Why, yes. This sounds quite fun. I'm in.

[My Name is Immaterial]

CR 15, you say?

[Remuthra]

CR 15?

_{There's...so many possibilities...}

[My Name is Immaterial]

It is truly beautiful. I didn't even really try with the dragon.

[PrivateNomad]

I might join.

[Delioth]

I'm fine with you playing a Gold Dragon. Pathfinder does include rules for leveling up monsters as PC's. It'd probably be better for you to start at like... young or something and advance with class levels; I'd accept a young dragon with 4 class levels as a CR 15.

[Remuthra]

Alright, this has put me into Make-a-cool-character-by-bending-the-rules-because-I'm-the-GM Mode. It's difficult not to use one of my cool villain ideas, to avoid spoilers.

With that in mind, would you gauge the CR cost approximate of the following abilities, Delioth?

Spoiler: Five Minutes in Remuthra's Mind (click to show/hide)

-The character's identity is a natural infohazard, and wipes itself from the memory of those who learn it.

-The character's words cause the listener to fall into a highly suggestible state.

-The character can teleport at will.

-The character can alter their appearance at will.

-The character exists only in the mind of a single subject, dominating them, and can jump to a new host on contact.

-The character has Pounce, Improved Grab, tentacles, flight, a good Fast Healing (or better yet, Regeneration/-), and a ludicrous Strength score.

-Kobold Terminator (MNII: This is the Half-Golem idea.)

-Greater Invisibility At-Will

-Mindflayers (of Thoon?)

-The CubeYou see nothing!

-Cloud Ray Flying Fortress

-Bunch of Size bonuses, and people to use the character as a moving siege tower, complete with murder holes, cannons, ballistae, etc.

-Throwing things

-Immunity to Attacks of Opportunity

-FIRE

[Delioth]

With that in mind, would you gauge the CR cost approximate of the following abilities, Delioth?

Spoiler: Five Minutes in Remuthra's Mind (click to show/hide)

-The character's identity is a natural infohazard, and wipes itself from the memory of those who learn it.

-The character's words cause the listener to fall into a highly suggestible state.

-The character can teleport at will.

-The character can alter their appearance at will.

-The character exists only in the mind of a single subject, dominating them, and can jump to a new host on contact.

-The character has Pounce, Improved Grab, tentacles, flight, a good Fast Healing (or better yet, Regeneration/-), and a ludicrous Strength score.

-Kobold Terminator (MNII: This is the Half-Golem idea.)

-Greater Invisibility At-Will

-Mindflayers (of Thoon?)

-The CubeYou see nothing!

-Cloud Ray Flying Fortress

-Bunch of Size bonuses, and people to use the character as a moving siege tower, complete with murder holes, cannons, ballistae, etc.

-Throwing things

-Immunity to Attacks of Opportunity

-FIRE

First off, Five minutes in your mind sounds like a terrifying prospect, even for me.

Spoiler: 45 minutes of Delioth figuring your 5 minutes out (click to show/hide)

-The character's identity is a natural infohazard, and wipes itself from the memory of those who learn it.
I'd probably allow a will save, and at CR 15, probably should make it around DC 22. +1.5 CR (round down)

-The character's words cause the listener to fall into a highly suggestible state.
Just sounds like a 1st-level bard's fascinate, on all the time (hint, it's just using perform(oratory)). I'd say it functions exactly the same as the listed bard ability (DC would be 10+1/2 character level+Cha modifier). 1st level ability at will? Sounds like cantrips. +1 CR

-The character can teleport at will.
This brings forth questions. Are you saying long-range teleport, as per the spell? or are you saying short range, like blinks?
The full-range teleport is a level 5 wizard spell at-will- standard action, 100 miles per character level and 1 additional person/3 levels. at level 12 that'd be teleporting the whole party (assuming everyone's medium) in a standard action/ CR +1.5 due to limited combat effectiveness.
For short ranges I'd give the same CR, but allow either move action for a 20' blink (can't make it more efficient than walking, now) or a swift action for 10'. this blink could be in the middle of normal movement. The blink as a swift action could be upgraded to 20', but you'd be fatigued for 2 rounds and couldn't use the blink during that time. CR +2 due to excellent combat possibilities (What's that? There are feats that let you hurt a lot more when you're attacking with a jump? What's that? I'll houserule that a spear coming down from 20' hurts more than one from equal footing? Might be easier to dodge.) Just to say it at the end of the paragraph, CR +2
ERRATA: You can only blink once per round- if you swift action blink you can't move action blink, and vice versa. You can use your swift blink in the middle of a move action, though. I'll also say that the fatigue that comes from an overcharged blink doesn't kick in until the end of your turn.



-The character can alter their appearance at will.
Sounds like that one druid ability- a thousand faces. I they get that at level 13.. but it's only a 2nd level spell at will. CR +0.5 (round up)


-The character exists only in the mind of a single subject, dominating them, and can jump to a new host on contact.
Sounds kinda like a permanent magic jar... that's a level 5 spell on at-will status... With pretty high potential for combat use and significant use for subterfuge- it doesn't say humanoid, just sentient (it states nonsentient doesn't have a soul to exchange with). CR +2.

-The character has Pounce, Improved Grab, tentacles, flight, a good Fast Healing (or better yet, Regeneration/-), and a ludicrous Strength score.
Pounce, tentacles (per tentacle), Strength (per point), and fast healing (per point)= CR +0.5
Flight, Improved Grab= CR +1


-Kobold Terminator (MNII: This is the Half-Golem idea.)
For half-golems, see page 43-44 of this: http://chet.kindredcircle.org/pdf/DnD3.5Index-Templates.pdf
Anything printed in that guide will be accepted as written.


-Greater Invisibility At-Will
+2 CR. If you were to limit it to something like 1-2/day, I'd consider +1 CR.


-Mindflayers (of Thoon?)
Only if you can find documentation for them. They're probably something like 6 hd and LA/CR +5.


-The CubeYou see nothing!
No. I'm not sure what you're referencing, but no. And I do see that.


-Cloud Ray Flying Fortress
14,000 GP for the Cloud Ray.
Either this or use an instant fortress. (as written)
Why do you need CR for it? It's a trained animal with a building on top.


-Bunch of Size bonuses, and people to use the character as a moving siege tower, complete with murder holes, cannons, ballistae, etc.
Just use a siege tower. You can recruit slaves workers for silver pieces a day. Even less, since every nearby source of employment is collapsed, burning, overrun, demonic, or some combination of those four. (wages for unskilled labor -1/2. Mercenaries are still taking full wage.)
I have no problem with the party wheeling around siege equipment. If you want to overtake a castle, you can (spoilers)

-Throwing things
What do you mean?

-Immunity to Attacks of Opportunity
I probably just wouldn't allow that. CR +8 just so I can say that I allowed it. Technically.

-FIRE
I'd allow the heat monster ability for CR +0.5, and +0.5 CR for every die step up from 1d6 (1d8 is +1, 1d10 is +1.5, &c.)
You could also count it as the 3rd level wizard spell elemental aura (2d6 damage to adjacent, targets catch on fire) for +2.5 CR

And make great creations, my friends. Oh, and you can sneak attack with a ballista

[My Name is Immaterial]

-Kobold Terminator (MNII: This is the Half-Golem idea.)
For half-golems, see page 43-44 of this: http://chet.kindredcircle.org/pdf/DnD3.5Index-Templates.pdf
Anything printed in that guide will be accepted as written.

Consider this when it comes to Half-Golems.

-The CubeYou see nothing!
No. I'm not sure what you're referencing, but no. And I do see that.

It's a reference to something he refuses to reveal in one of his other games.

-Bunch of Size bonuses, and people to use the character as a moving siege tower, complete with murder holes, cannons, ballistae, etc.
Just use a siege tower. You can recruit slaves workers for silver pieces a day. Even less, since every nearby source of employment is collapsed, burning, overrun, demonic, or some combination of those four. (wages for unskilled labor -1/2. Mercenaries are still taking full wage.)
I have no problem with the party wheeling around siege equipment. If you want to overtake a castle, you can (spoilers)

YES, BUT, for only +4 CR using the Giant Creature template, I can become Colossal. And then be large enough to carry a siege tower on my back. Speaking of, how much would a huge or gargantuan siege tower weigh?

-Throwing things
What do you mean?

Hulking Hurler. He's just writing down random character ideas at this point. Remuthra, consider the Belt of Mighty Hurling if you do choose to use this idea.

And make great creations, my friends. Oh, and you can sneak attack with a ballista

This got me thinking... I could play a sniping rogue, but definitely not the sniper archetype. Sniping goggles, the Far Shot tree and stupidly high Stealth bonus... would you allow this?
Can I ask what sort of combat environments and challenges can we expect? Open field combat? Dungeoneering? Point defence? Us being ambushed? Us ambushing? I don't want to roll up an inappropriate character.

Edit: Current ideas, just so they're written down:
Giant grapple/tripper/living siege engine.
Dragon.
Awakened T-Rex.
Necromancer, with massive army.
Sniping Rogue or Marksman.
[Generic Messiah]/Anti-Demon.

[Delioth]

-Kobold Terminator (MNII: This is the Half-Golem idea.)
For half-golems, see page 43-44 of this: http://chet.kindredcircle.org/pdf/DnD3.5Index-Templates.pdf
Anything printed in that guide will be accepted as written.

Consider this when it comes to Half-Golems.

Those would be fine too

-Bunch of Size bonuses, and people to use the character as a moving siege tower, complete with murder holes, cannons, ballistae, etc.
Just use a siege tower. You can recruit slaves workers for silver pieces a day. Even less, since every nearby source of employment is collapsed, burning, overrun, demonic, or some combination of those four. (wages for unskilled labor -1/2. Mercenaries are still taking full wage.)
I have no problem with the party wheeling around siege equipment. If you want to overtake a castle, you can (spoilers)

YES, BUT, for only +4 CR using the Giant Creature template, I can become Colossal. And then be large enough to carry a siege tower on my back. Speaking of, how much would a huge or gargantuan siege tower weigh?

You're lucky I'm taking computer science courses and got bored and wrote a program that will ask for your height, width, and length of a siege tower, how thick your walls are, and how many decks you want on it. It does it for oak, maple, and cedar. It'll even spit out extra weight for metal plating.
Give me your parameters and I can spit back numbers.

-Throwing things
What do you mean?

Hulking Hurler. He's just writing down random character ideas at this point. Remuthra, consider the Belt of Mighty Hurling if you do choose to use this idea.

I'd probably just accept Hulking Hurler as-is. If you guys are too strong, then encounters will just get a tidge stronger. Weaker members may get loot directed towards them.

And make great creations, my friends. Oh, and you can sneak attack with a ballista

This got me thinking... I could play a sniping rogue, but definitely not the sniper archetype. Sniping goggles, the Far Shot tree and stupidly high Stealth bonus... would you allow this?

I'd accept that, but it modifies original penalty- none of this kobold sniper+sneaky sniper for a -0 modifier that doubles to -0. it would still be -20. but I will let you stack those two sniping feats (and it gets really fun when you get a distance hidden crossbow with the underhanded talent/quickdraw and a gnomish crossbow sight. what's that? I can hit you at no penalty at 200ft. with -0 to stealth. and maximum sneak attack damage. And did I mention that this attack can be a called shot with greater called shot?)

Can I ask what sort of combat environments and challenges can we expect? Open field combat? Dungeoneering? Point defence? Us being ambushed? Us ambushing? I don't want to roll up an inappropriate character.

Mostly outdoor areas, but significant participation in indoor (think castle-y) areas. There may be some opportunities for ambush, and some ambushes may take you. I don't expect point defense to be a big issue, and traps are probably a lower priority than normal. Remember from the opening narration that enchantments binding the Dragon Below were woven by Nethys himself (the god of magic). There are probably significant magical storms spreading. Like warriors-just-got-fireball-as-a-SLA-1/day storms. Arcane magic might not be the way to go. Divine magic should be safe. -ish.

EDIT: Just wondering, what do you guys think of maybe after this whole adventure is over, re-writing the exploits as a novel? If so, would the intro text be a good intro for such a novel?

[My Name is Immaterial]

-Bunch of Size bonuses, and people to use the character as a moving siege tower, complete with murder holes, cannons, ballistae, etc.
Just use a siege tower. You can recruit slaves workers for silver pieces a day. Even less, since every nearby source of employment is collapsed, burning, overrun, demonic, or some combination of those four. (wages for unskilled labor -1/2. Mercenaries are still taking full wage.)
I have no problem with the party wheeling around siege equipment. If you want to overtake a castle, you can (spoilers)

YES, BUT, for only +4 CR using the Giant Creature template, I can become Colossal. And then be large enough to carry a siege tower on my back. Speaking of, how much would a huge or gargantuan siege tower weigh?

You're lucky I'm taking computer science courses and got bored and wrote a program that will ask for your height, width, and length of a siege tower, how thick your walls are, and how many decks you want on it. It does it for oak, maple, and cedar. It'll even spit out extra weight for metal plating.
Give me your parameters and I can spit back numbers.

Sorry, Remuthra, but I have a new favorite DM.
Let's see... Let's have a square tower, 20 feet by 20 feet, three decks, 30 feet tall, 6 inch thick walls, metal plating and the toughest wood.

And make great creations, my friends. Oh, and you can sneak attack with a ballista

This got me thinking... I could play a sniping rogue, but definitely not the sniper archetype. Sniping goggles, the Far Shot tree and stupidly high Stealth bonus... would you allow this?

I'd accept that, but it modifies original penalty- none of this kobold sniper+sneaky sniper for a -0 modifier that doubles to -0. it would still be -20. but I will let you stack those two sniping feats (and it gets really fun when you get a distance hidden crossbow with the underhanded talent/quickdraw and a gnomish crossbow sight. what's that? I can hit you at no penalty at 200ft. with -0 to stealth. and maximum sneak attack damage. And did I mention that this attack can be a called shot with greater called shot?)

DELICIOUS. Someone just blow a hole in the middle of the castle wall, and I'll snipe through.

Can I ask what sort of combat environments and challenges can we expect? Open field combat? Dungeoneering? Point defence? Us being ambushed? Us ambushing? I don't want to roll up an inappropriate character.

Mostly outdoor areas, but significant participation in indoor (think castle-y) areas. There may be some opportunities for ambush, and some ambushes may take you. I don't expect point defense to be a big issue, and traps are probably a lower priority than normal.

Okay. I'm still going back and forth between siege engine and sniper. Sniper is in the lead right now.

EDIT: Just wondering, what do you guys think of maybe after this whole adventure is over, re-writing the exploits as a novel? If so, would the intro text be a good intro for such a novel?

That would be awesome, assuming this is ever finished. Keep in mind, this is PBP. The intro text... it's a bit sparse. Maybe if you fluffed it up a bunch, then yes, it would a cool introtext.

[Delioth]

Here are the results for that:
How long is your siege tower? 20
How wide is your siege tower? 20
How tall is your siege tower? 30
How thick are your walls? 6
How many decks does your tower have? 3
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Your siege tower weighs:
113,141.2425 lbs (oak)
80,625.5775 lbs (maple)
54,822.33 lbs (cedar)
Adding steel plating to the front would add 1,875.0 lbs
Adding steel plating to the sides would add 3,750.0 lbs
Adding mithral plating to the front would add 937.5 lbs
Adding mithral plating to the sides would add 1,875.0 lbs
Have a nice day!
(Commas added for clarity)
So it's heavy as hell.
A huge character with 46 strength can carry the cedar one as a max load.
A gargantuan character with 46 strength can carry the oak one as max load, and the cedar one as a medium load.
A colossal character with 40 strength can carry the cedar one as a medium load, or the maple one as a max load.
A colossal character with 46 strength can carry the cedar one as a light load or the oak one as a medium load.

The armor plating numbers I used for who could carry what are the mithral plating. Most of them end up about the same due to really big numbers.

Oh, and don't forget the muleback cords/ant haul(heavyload belt- add this to any belt for +3000 gp)

If you want to test numbers out, just use this.



And on the writing thing, I honestly don't expect this thing to make it to the end, I just needed a viable question on the narration- I need to get better at storytelling. Thanks for input!

[Remuthra]

Right, then I'm going for my first idea, which was my answer to the question, "What would you take if you could have superpowers?"

How much would the suggestion CR increase if it was communicable (plant a suggestion, that person can pass on suggestion with DC-2, and so on)?

How much would it take to get a light, short-range telekinesis, just so I can do things I would use hands for without moving? (And enough to float slightly, perhaps)

[PrivateNomad]

I may go with greater invisibility