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[Loud Whispers]

Basically. Muslims seem to be very much treated with kiddie gloves here for some reason. I'm not here advocating for their explicit persecution, but some consistency please? Either treat everyone the same way (Don't, that'd cause chaos) or treat them the same as everyone else. This blatant folding every time they get upset with something has the total effect of emboldening the nuttier elements rather than calming them.

FFS sometimes you'd wish the police would actually do their bloody job. You can target white english children for human trafficking and police will protect that in the name of antiracism. You can try murder someone for burning a religious book and police will arrest the victim in the name of antiracism. If someone tries leaving a religious group and their own family sends them death threats the police get involved, unless it's a muslim family in which case it's an internal matter. In a sad but unsurprising development, some of the police who were serving in Rotherham during the CSA scandal have since been arrested on suspicion of CSA. Utter nonces devoid of moral compass all the way up. Some of the abuses were alleged to have even taken place whilst they were on duty. Duty is a word I wish these bastards knew the meaning of

EDIT: Oh yes, the other thing. This is also why right-wing reactionary parties are gaining ground. The UK government sees stuff like this and goes "Huh, that seems fine" while the citizenry go "Hang on, this is fucked"  among other issues. Then in comes the right-wing reactionary party saying "Hey, this is fucked" and, quelle surprise, people vote for the right-wing reactionary party.

I swear I think most of these lawyers and judges aren't being intentionally malicious but they're just living on another planet. They've forgotten fundamentals. You don't get community cohesion by making it illegal to be offensive. You get it when you enforce the law fairly. Government has plenty of resources to track people down for offensive social media posts but just sleeps on everyone getting knifed or trafficked. And lord, when the police do get involved, so so many times it just ends up worse for the victims, police treating victims as criminals and impure. That's what happened when one of my friends managed to convince a woman who had been trafficked into sex slavery to go to the police. They had no hospital ward space or shelter space available for her, but believed her pimp was an imminent threat to her life. Police interrogated her for six hours, treating her like scum on suspicion of being an illegal immigrant / soliciting sex for cash, then just let her go without dealing with the pimp. She was found dead the next day in the streets, police ruled it natural death, the coroner conducted their own enquiry and ruled murder. -_-

BRO WHY IS OUR GOVERNMENT LIKE THIS. Literally fucking no one voted for this

[Great Order]

I think the government got complacent. The Tories and Labour were both in on this sort of behaviour (Despite having, to a greater or lesser extent, constant talk about Cracking Down On This Sort Of Thing) and the next runner up, the Lib Dems, also seemed to have the same mentality.

So, no need to fix it. Nobody's gonna vote for a different party eh? Who would they vote for, the nutters in UKIP?

Only, of course, people *did* vote for the nutters in UKIP which sent the Tories into a panic. Cue Brexit, which acted as a temporary pressure release, but the fundamental causes weren't addressed so the pressure started to boil up again, only this time we didn't have a convenient supranational authority to blame and leave and we had a slew of raging incompetents in government who wouldn't know how to pour water out of a boot with the instructions on the heel. The idiots didn't fix anything, and they took the public to be completely apathetic morons rather than mostly apathetic morons which precipitated Partygate and such. And now Labour has RefUK nipping at their heels while the Tories implode.

[martinuzz]

Just like in Germany when they had the knifeman get tackled by some random civilian, then the police arrested the civilian, only for the knifeman to get back up and stab the policeman.

We treat our British tourists better.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/british-hero-tackled-amsterdam-dam-square-stabbing-suspect-b1219539.html

[Loud Whispers]

I think the government got complacent. The Tories and Labour were both in on this sort of behaviour (Despite having, to a greater or lesser extent, constant talk about Cracking Down On This Sort Of Thing) and the next runner up, the Lib Dems, also seemed to have the same mentality.

-snip-

Yeah pretty much. And for all the steps in the right direction for reforms to the Crown Prosecution Service, the police culture of victim blaming and the politicians still having this appeasement attitude hasn't really changed, and the law and prison policies just gotten even more backwards. Cuts to probation officers, the failed attempt to privatise probation services, the release of violent criminals just to deal with prison overcrowding, sending people to prison for xenophobic social media posts but sleeping when people commit literally the worst fucking atrocities ._.

Keir's a former prosecutor and you know the saying, when you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail. It's not just the right-wing social media posts getting people thrown in prison. He's utterly wiping out all the anti-war and anti-pollution left wing protesters. So at least he's not being partisan when he's making all forms of protest illegal lol. Well, all forms except blasphemy

Just like in Germany when they had the knifeman get tackled by some random civilian, then the police arrested the civilian, only for the knifeman to get back up and stab the policeman.

We treat our British tourists better.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/british-hero-tackled-amsterdam-dam-square-stabbing-suspect-b1219539.html

Well that's made my day a lot brighter. If that were the UK they'd put that Briton on an antiterrorism watchlist

[martinuzz]

True hero. He acted proportionally, professionally and is modest about it. Well deserved badge.

[Loud Whispers]

I think he made the right call. Being famous for tackling someone sounds like a lot of hassle

[martinuzz]

Unless you are pursuing a soccer career, yeah I guess you're right.

[Loud Whispers]

Unless you are pursuing a soccer career, yeah I guess you're right.

haha nice

In less nice news, the European Union's defence plan talks with the UK have hit a roadbump after EU countries hinted they would only agree to a defence pact if the UK gave fishing quotas to European countries.

Three years after the war started. One month after USA began tearing up Atlantic defence cooperation. And the EU is trying to bolt fishing onto a win-win defence cooperation. This bloody organisation is hopeless

I literally cannot understand why the countries on the European continent care less about warmongers on the European continent than the island monkeys who aren't affected by european land wars

[Starver]

If that were the UK they'd put that Briton on an antiterrorism watchlist

You made it sound like he was put on the watchlist for his good deed on London Bridge. That article is sparse of any real detail, but still says "Anti-terror cops first got in touch with him amid footage of him yelling abuse at a black man while walking his dogs." Which (for reasons not fully revealed) led to him being watchlisted.

Let's spin some theories, in leiu of knowing very much about him (meaning that I'm being entirely hypothetical here):
1) He's a bad-egg all round, and close to wanting to thump somebody 'furrin' at the time of the terror attack, so he was the right person at the right time regardless of it being for bad reasons.
2) He wasn't (counter-)radicalised - and not every Millwall fan (or most, even?) is a headcase, so throw that other reported fact out - but it's reported that he attracted the attention(/admiration) of those that do and, through their reaching out to him, liked their more extreme biases. This leads him to be the racist-radical who can't be given a pass just due to past good actions.
3) He doesn't even have anything against muslims, the bridge incident was entirely altrusitic and he rejected EDL/whoever with their anti-islamic basis, but he's just plain anti-black enough (together with any personal animosity towards the individual concerned[1]) to cross the threshold upon investigating this incident, and maybe any others taken into account.

Though the "police are useless" line is based upon highlighted cases, not the whole system (and we can argue the scope and degree until a month next Saturday, and still not agree), I'll add the following anyway:
4) He was minding his own business, it's a pure fix-up, everything was taken out of context and at every stage of the process the system managed to ignore the fact that he's being persecuted by the police, CPS, the anti-terror squad, the local society of corner-shop propriators, The Kennel Club (for having no dogs/the wrong dogs), the late Paul O'Grady, West Ham United and/or George Soros.


There are indeed problems out there. Though I could point at issues with the Anglican church, to counter any too-forgiving attitude to those ethnically islamic (anti-anti-Muslim?)... Apart from being yet another horrible-crashy newspaper site (luckily, few enough words to battle through, before it went kablooie on me), that article doesn't necessarily record any injustice. If you know more about it, you've failed to convey the salient details.


[1] Was going to suggest also against dog-walkers/dogs, but now not too sure whether the above means he shouted at a black man walking dogs (were the dogs a problem?) or, whilst walking his own dogs (again, were the dogs a problem/agrevating circumstance?) he shouted at a black man. Lazy newspaperese writing, such that I don't even know which situation to work with. So I won't do either.

[Great Order]

Unless you are pursuing a soccer career, yeah I guess you're right.

haha nice

In less nice news, the European Union's defence plan talks with the UK have hit a roadbump after EU countries hinted they would only agree to a defence pact if the UK gave fishing quotas to European countries.

Three years after the war started. One month after USA began tearing up Atlantic defence cooperation. And the EU is trying to bolt fishing onto a win-win defence cooperation. This bloody organisation is hopeless

I literally cannot understand why the countries on the European continent care less about warmongers on the European continent than the island monkeys who aren't affected by european land wars

Apparently it's France specifically. They're aware that if the UK gets in on it a lot of the money's going to go to our arms manufacturers rather than France's, so they're trying to shove in stuff that's politically toxic to the UK to stop us getting in on it.

You know how it is, people would rather rule the ashes than have to share power in a prosperous world.

[Duuvian]

I didn't see anything about any of that stuff in the UK news I check regularly. Are you sure it's not something being turned into a public scare for political reasons? Remember, if it's that it's to fuck you like the other stuff having resulted from those, not for what's claimed on the tin. That junk's also cross-Atlantic, a baroness was involved in some of the poorly-advised US legislation over public scares here.

Here is an article I had bookmarked:
https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/modern-slavery-cases-britain-reach-record-high-2025-03-06/
"The crime takes various forms in Britain, where men, women and children can be forced into exploitative work in the drug or sex trades, car washes, nail salons, private homes or the social care sector."
Wot oy y don they get legit jobs
"Tougher immigration policies are leaving thousands of people trapped in modern slavery and less likely to come forward for fear of being deported, Reuters reported last month."
O twas policing again

See first paragraph!

Here is something in the news:
Why is British Steel in trouble and who owns it?
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5y66y40kgpo

From what I recall from the US Steel shenanigans before I quit paying attention in disgust at what Biden was doing is that blast furnaces are either obsolete due to operation cost or about to be. The reason it might work in the US is because with the tariffs by buying US Steel you are buying the market share. A better option would have be electric furnaces. Unfortunately this requires fewer workers than the old blast furnaces for the lower costs, so it seems unlikely this would be done since the given political reason for intervention is to protect the jobs. It seems like something of a trap, but imagine telling people in charge of things that.

Yes, the fishing details were a factor in Brexit as well.

[martinuzz]

https://www.theguardian.com/global/2025/feb/06/fishing-rights-not-derail-eu-uk-security-pact-european-council-president

I hadn't heard or read anything about it. Are you sure that ' the countries' hinting at tying quota to a defense pact are not really countries, but instead just some Russia funded populist politicians of a minor right wing party in those countries being blown out of proportion by media?

[Duuvian]

The last I heard was a week or so ago that it was brewing as a potential so that's new to me. I have a bookmark somewhere but didn't find it. Also I shouldn't have included the "yes" since it was more to agree that it was a possible contention, not the reason for it.

Also I should note that Politico falls in and out of love with the far-right pretty often. It reads on other subjects less than a view from no where than a view from a martian who is laughing at the foolish humans, and then realizes their spaceship is broken.



If I may, I'd like to deposit this fun bit which seems likely to relate to some of the wacky, poorly advised bills I've had the displeasure of perusing in the past few preceding orbits of this green and blue Earth.

Thousands of newly obtained documents show that Clearview AI’s founders always intended to target immigrants and the political left. Now their digital dragnet is in the hands of the Trump administration.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2025/04/clearview-ai-immigration-ice-fbi-surveillance-facial-recognition-hoan-ton-that-hal-lambert-trump/

There are some other colors to the surface of the Earth too, or so I am told.  Only joking, I saw some photos of Earth from space!

[Starver]

With headlines screaming "Hottest May", or words to that effect, I was just wondering what the British (or British-curious) public thought....

Theresa, James, Erskine or Brian? (And what would you say if I didn't give you the option of Brian?)