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Author Topic: General Doctor Who Thread: JESUS CHRIST 50TH ANNIVERSARY HOLD ONTO YOUR HATS  (Read 16758 times)

Folly

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Episode 5: Dot and Bubble
The community seems to have concluded that this episode is about racism. And anyone who fails to recognize the racism, is part of the problem.
I just don't see it. Lindy clearly explains that her issue is with social class, and I just don't see any reason to read further into it than that.

Episode 6: Rogue
...but how did the Cosplaying Owls in the past watch a TV show from centuries later?

Episode 7: The Legend of Ruby Sunday
Every time The Doctor shows up at UNIT, like half of their people die horribly. And yet the next time they are elated to see him again?
The Doctor never previously acknowledged Susan Twist in any way, and yet now suddenly she is a big problem that needs to be researched? That needed better buildup.
So the Toymaker is now part of a very generic pantheon, and we've immediately moved on to the biggest baddest and most boring God of them all. I find this development disappointing.
Other than that, loved all the mysteries in this episode. Though it did leave a lot of loose ends to be tied up in the finale.
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I've been hoarding up my own thoughts on Dot And Bubble, and onwards (I don't know about elsewhere). In short, though:

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Episode 8: Empire of Death

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Yeah, I strongly disliked almost everything about this finale.
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((...this reply has been sitting on a half-forgotten browser tab, for a week, due to the original message slightly too predating for any realistic reply by me/regular viewers. But I've also learnt a bit more, between the time my reply-proper was started and now that I actually remembered to finish what I'd then begun... ;) ))

Episode 8: Empire of Death


Yeah, I strongly disliked almost everything about this finale.

I certainly felt it lacked a lot of narrative satisfaction
As a very minor aspect of this, even as a two-episode story (with the prior), there were leaps in plot that suggest additional screenplay elements cut for runtime reasons. But that's not a big thing, really.


Holes in the logic, maybe. Certainly thin places. Which can be patched up with a layer or two of carefully woven handwavium stuck on with your everyday narrative adhesive!  :P

My complaint is a bit different...

Spoiler: ...my complaint (click to show/hide)
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Double post!

Just thought I'd mark the new season (first episode broadcast Saturday).


Having also seen the "making of" companion episode, interested to note that (apart from maybe some exploding elements) those robots were pretty much entirely practical "man in a suit" effects. Which I think worked quite well.

Of course we've got a Companion that... frankly... takes the rather realistic approach that (despite everything that happened to her) she'd rather just go back home. The usual 'glamour' of The Doctor didn't seem to persuade her, like it usually does[1]. She quite rightly calls him out on any such assumptions that it might. (Not the first 'initial refusal', of course. Rose might have not, without Mickey saying the wrong thing and reducing her will to stay away. Donna was headstrong enough to have to take time to come back)

But, given she already has had problems with the way that was heading, I feel it was a bit too readily accepted by her that what could easily have been a space-time equivalent of "oh no, the car has broken down... I can't take you home at the moment, and you'll have to stay with me for a little while longer while I sort that out" was genuine. I'm sure it could have done with just a little bit more plot development (or at least inter-character dialogue) to have made that work better for me. But, for all I know, the script originally did but got cut down for time and lost that original hint of what only I might seek.


I know it's not the first instance of this cropping up, but the Timecop-like matter-exclusion principle seemed a little 'deus ex'ish. And I'm sure there are times when this should have happened, but didn't. I probably have more of a problem with this than the (acknowledged, possibly core to the whole-series story arc, yet to be revealed) issue of obviously crossed-time causalities and bootstrapping issues that this particular tale showed as in play. It seems like, ever since Silence In The Library, there's been a lot more timey-wimey acknowledgement of asynchronous interactions (ignoring the multi-doctor stories in general, only rarely were there any hint that "Spoilers!" might play a key part in how the episode unfolds).


Didn't mean to write so much as this, actually.


[1] OTOH, other companion-material individuals have been shown to have had an unsatisfying life, pre-TARDIS, or at least various long-standing questions about the universe which might or might not be part of the reason why they got mixed up with their introductory adventure in the first place. Belinda, however, is shown to be pretty much fulfilled in her job as a nurse. Martha Jones was also partly like this, but was still only a medical student so had a fairly short initial stint before 'going home', taking her experiences back with her and through into being not only qualified medically but also within the whole ephemera of Doctor-adjacent experiences that gave her the 'in' on UNIT. Contrast with Yasmin, who was obviously very unfulfilled as trainee/junior police officer, much more in line with most of the waifs'n'strays that have (at least partly consciously[2]) joined the Doctor on their various travels, being underappreciated/taken for granted.

[2] Unlike accidental/reluctant ones like Barbara and Ian right at the beginning
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Holy Carp! This season premiere somehow managed to be even worse than the previous season finale!

There were broad stretches in this episode where every single line of dialogue and every plot device had me saying, "wait a second, that makes absolutely no sense at all!". I don't even want to try making a list, it would take all night. It's like they fired all the people in charge of Quality Assurance, and now all the people behind-the-scenes of this show are just doing their own thing without anyone trying to keep them coordinated or even ensure that they are comprehensible!

My expectations for Doctor Who are pretty low. It's supposed to be campy and fun, not hyper-realistic. I can appreciate it on that level. But still, in the past they've usually managed to maintain at least some degree of consistency and reason behind it all. Now that just seems to be gone. I'm very disappointed with the direction this is going.
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