It was a paraphrase from this game (but also from earlier ones):
I read a bit of Paranormal 27 where I make the astute insight that without hammers votes are shit posts until the deadline.
Do you see evidence of what AP thinks of votes, Sal? Could you mark it?
Not specifically, but I believe from what I know of him that he would let his partner distance like that, especially since he immediately used it as an excuse to suspect me and shame other people for voting with me (hilariously). I'm not really trying to make too much of a case on him, though, because I don't want to tunnel and lose the opportunity to consider other options. Although I do have to point out that he sure did take my semi-joking accusations toward him d1 way too irrationally personally for a town player.
Anyway, Unvote, I float and wonder what comes next; and what does AP do without any vote pressure. I'm now all scared and stressed about some self destructive quips Sal mentioned, which I'd initially taken as rooted in this game despite hints they were rooted in an earlier game. Now I'm all sad and unhappy about earlier game mentions and far less curious here myself.
I'm not sure what you mean by this and I'd like for you to explain further. My comments about self-sacrificing are about this game, although I am of course referencing Toony's action in another.
To put it simply, it's about my role and whether or not it would be wise for me to accept certain death in order to give the rest of town another shot to solve today. If you were afraid it might mean something else... well I'd still like to know what you thought it meant but it almost certainly does not.
More out of curiosity, have we played before Salvatore? - I don't recall having done so, & if we did, I don't think it was for long.
You comment "
Not specifically, but I believe from what I know of him that he would let his partner distance like that, especially since he immediately used it as an excuse to suspect me and shame other people for voting with me (hilariously)"
You also mention "
I do have to point out that he sure did take my semi-joking accusations toward him d1 way too irrationally personally for a town player."
At best, your argument Day 1 for you being Good!Salvatore, consisted primarily of trying to capitalise on Imp's assessment of your play, when she was giving me her view on you as a player. You didn't try to defend yourself, atleast that's not how it came across in your language, because you seemed certain you wouldn't be Lynched (fair play you weren't), but you hadn't done any hunting that could have been used to justify your Good!Salvatore Case.
AP: thoughts on the current game state?
I'm leaning Good on Toonyman & Notquitethere.
Other than feeling iffy on Agent, and heavily sus of Salvator, I've no real further thoughts yet.
I don't feel comfortable to vote anyone yet though.
Imp, if you were given a one shot kill and had to shoot it now before the next vote count otherwise you explode, who would you target?
Agent T, same question.
~.~)
The second person who voted for anime pigeon..
First vote on them was just a joke, second one can be seen as mafia trying to piggy back.
I have no issue with Notquitethere's vote (apologies if I've butchered that spelling), but Salvatore's inability to communicate a reasoning for his vote and just silent voting is just perplexing.
I can understand Notquitethere's vote, it's not a meme or a fake vote, it's purely to create engagement & discussion - it's not a bad thing at all.
You keep attempting to push the notion of me voting you by way of "Omgus'ing", when I have not - I haven't even overreacted to you voting me, I wasn't in thread - I had (& still have) issue with your refusal to provide reasoning or explanations for your pushes, votes & your theories.
Your Day 2 has been much better than your Day 1, but that doesn't really change my mind on you, as your still dodging & evading attempts from me & others to get you to elaborate on your opinions.
I have no doubt you are as good as a player as Imp indicates, but it's very frustrating when a player refuses to give any reasoning for there perspective, yet when others give there's, you dismiss them.
Day 1 - General Vibes/Feels
* Notquitethere - Seems to be showing some Genuine Hunting, Very Clear Townie or Sublime Sneaky Evil!
* Crystalizedmire - Seems to be on a similar vibe to me regarding Salvatore
* ToonyMan - Sounding Good, but definitely got some views that differentiate from me. They think Salvatore is good, but given Salvatore hasn't made many posts or much impact, I can see ToonyMan believing what he's preaching.
* Imp - Solid Performance so far, trickery customer, that can easily weasel her way into causing Trouble. Evidently clear immediately she wouldn't be on the chopping block today.
* Jim Groovester - feeling generally null on this seat, some good posts, some lesser posts, looking to see them get more into the game and cast there net further afield than Magma Mater.
* Magma Mater - Seems to sus me for me asking NQT & Tony to stop voting alongside the company they had (Salvatore), still wanting more from them, but I would say is inside there good range, even though they are wrong regarding there view on me.
* Agentt - Don't really know what to expect from Agent. Been rather underwhelming, spending majority of Day 1 self-preservation voting the next wagon, not really showing much fight or determination to not be Lynched. Expecting a lot more from this seat, but worried they are a Walking Mis-Lynch.
* Salvatore Monday - See This
@notquitethere & @toony - I think your best moving off Agent for the time being, I don't think either of you are too fond of Salvator being on that wagon with you both.
Given I felt (& still feel Toonyman & NQT are Good! Aligned, I have every right to suggest they vote elsewhere. I didn't order them, I didn't manipulate them, I advised them, they don't have to listen.
Given both Agent & Sal have both contradicted themselves, jumps onto existing trains rather than formulating there own opinions & subsequently votes people with no real reason, I'm just wary of people voting alongside either of them (if that makes sense).
I never contradict myself though?
AnimePigeon.
Discuss. What do you see? Lay it out clearly.
ChatGPT has convinced me that we need to pressure Anime Pigeon some more.
Will get back to explaining my thoughts on Agent & Salvator Contradicting themselves (from my pov) shortly.
I'd be very interested in seeing that.
Regarding Salvatore see the below 👇 ;
As first posts go, this defeatist tone just feels out of place.
well, I'm definitely dying n1
don't even bother investigating me, you'll see my flip anyway
Salvatore's Read Progression feels very irregular, no reasoning given, just pure vibes and inability (or implied refusal) to provide & expand upon reasonings.
Salvatore comments on Suss'ing Jim (I appreciate this could be a Meme, but given I'm unfamiliar with Salvatore & he hasn't even offered up any further explanation of this it's rather suss) followed-up by a assumed pressure vote on me (No Issues with this) indicates to me that Salvatore is posturising/eye-ing a potential Jim Mis-Lynch, it's a very opportunistic approach. Rather than laying out his reasoning for sussing Jim, he pivots to voting me with no reason.
Surely a Town doesn't throw their vote around so willy-nilly, at a Null/Absent Seat, when they have indicated they have suspicions on someone else?
I bet it's Jim.
animepigeon
I violently reject the continued existence of AgentT.
Following voting me, it's back to mentioning Jim, then Agent (no reason again) only to vote Agent.
Is it a coincidence that each vote Salvatore has made at this point has been a sheeping vote? Trying to avoid taking responsibility for an Mis-Lynch?
Salvatore takes a random 180° pivot on his views on me, only to then 360° pivot - again with a failure from Salvatore to expand upon his apparent sus of Jim, Agent or Me.
It still might be Jim, but it's also definitely Agentttt.
hmmm, seems like it's probably not animu, but keep an eye on it
@notquitethere & @toony - I think your best moving off Agent for the time being, I don't think either of you are too fond of Salvator being on that wagon with you both.
This post is incredibly shady, and not just because it's about me.
What value does the following add?
Meme Joke Comment regarding Mis-Lynch'ing Veteran, followed by attempting to bargain for Nightkill Immunity... yeah, doesn't sound or come across as a Good Villager Hunting for Evil.
No Explanations, Lack of Reads or Expansions, if @Imp can see Good!Salvatore from this, then that has me questioning the validity/accuracy of that read/view.
I do think it would be pretty funny if we lynched a veteran d1 this time, just for laughs.
Jim and Crystal, on the current trajectory, who do you think is getting eliminated today? Is that a good choice?
With the current trajectory, I'm betting on Agentt and Toony. These are my most suspicious suspects because Agentt has a bad vibe plus bandwagoning on pressure votes. Toony voted in quick succession with Sal onto Agentt. I suspect that Agentt is more likely to be eliminated than Toony but I would prefer the latter to be eliminated.
I'll vote ToonyMan with you if you promise not to nightkill me.
Imp suggests they see Good!Jim, at which point Salvator pivots towards Magma... no logical or reasoned progression or any evidence provided to back this.
I'm still a very angry person, that surely colors all I do and how I think.
I actually like Jim this game so far.
Wonder what that means as things go on.
AP, keep being active. You look great compared to yourself in BYOMonster - despite some actually large similarities. Large differences too though.
You just might be town.
Hunt me if you gotta, but hunt overall cause I'll just flip town and waste your effort so don't JUST hunt me. I hear you on Sal but I don't see it; if I live I won't forget it. But I really don't see it yet. Sussing him's like sussing me - great player, but that alone does not a rand-doppleganger make, needs moooooore.
Also, you like are protective of Agentt?
Why? Whatcha seeing?
I know you know at least a little about Agentt out of game as well. You don't have to discuss any of that, but I am using what I know, suspect, and infer there as how I evaluate especially you in regards to your behavior towards him.
Anyone interested in switching to Magma Mater?
I think it's reasonable to assume from the below 👇 that Salvatore Sheep'ed NQT voting Agent for Sheep'ing NQT's own vote on me.
But NQT further explores & explains why Agent's vote comes across opportunistic on an Absent Player, especially when Agent had suggested they were worried about me getting "bullied" by a Day 1 Vote.
Yet, if this is why Salvatore Sheep'ed NQT on voting me & then Agent, that makes Salvatore come across Hypocritical & Contradictory as it can be implied they merely voted Agent for failing to explore reads or have reads, when Salvatore themselves also failed to explore or expand on any reads.
Imp, can you clarify a bit more about what Agent struck you as weird. Was it the jokes? I'm trying to get in your shoes here. Were you joking about Agent having a chat, or did you have a reason for saying that? Just trying to keep them on their toes?
Agent T
Animepigeon
Wait, is that the third vote on an absent player...? I think you can do better than that.
Absolutely genius man we sure played Mafia good back in the day.
D1 is all smoke and mirrors, you have to throw shit at the wall and see what sticks. It's almost a game to see who says something interesting or controversial first.
I read a bit of Paranormal 27 where I make the astute insight that without hammers votes are shit posts until the deadline.
I was going to poke you about this anyway but now I am more curious about whether you feel the third vote rule applies in a hammerless game given you just voted Agent T over that.
Votes always annoy the person you're voting, at least a little bit, so they do signal something, but I get what you're saying. It's the final vote that really matters.
RE: Agent T, I just think a player who is absent isn't going to arrive here sooner if three people are voting him as opposed to two. It's a weak vote. So it's not really about the third on wagon thing, so much as excessive lurker hunting is a scum pattern.
I violently reject the continued existence of AgentT.
Hence, I am leaning Evil!Salvatore
Salvator Monday
It really is sad Salvatore, you've jumped from Jim, Anime, Agent, Magma, Anime, Jim, Anime, Magma, Anime...
The only reasoning for any of your votes that can be inferred is that you sheep'd NQT's Vote on Agentt, when NQT pointed out it was pretty poor of Agentt to have no reasoning to vote me - yet you then voted Agentt... with no explicit reasoning?!
That is contradictory behaviour.
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