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Author Topic: Paranormal Mafia 28 - Game Over! Town victory  (Read 13504 times)

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Re: Paranormal Mafia 28 - Day 1
« Reply #255 on: April 04, 2025, 09:38:05 pm »

Unlikely to be here for EOD, got some meds to take before I sleep 😴, but I will try keeping up on the thread for as long as I can before my eye drift.
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Re: Paranormal Mafia 28 - Day 1
« Reply #256 on: April 04, 2025, 09:48:06 pm »

If Toony did thumb the weights on the ChatGPT query then that would be quite dishonest! Let's have a look...

I put this prompt in:


These were the top suspects:

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Imp (noncommittal, unvoting frequently)
Crystalizedmire (vote hopping, possibly coordinating)
notquitethere (switches vote to Agentt quickly, could be pushing miselim)

Compare that to what Toony got:

Mafia Likelihoods
Player   Reasoning   Mafia %
Agentt   Vote spam, evasiveness, vote swaps = high scum equity.   50%
Crystal   Bailed from Agentt wagon to Toony — very suspicious.   30%
Imp   Scattered votes, now off-wagon — shady and non-committal.   25%
Magma   Stuck on Toony, no switches — could be protecting Agentt.   20%
AnimePigeon   No vote at all — passive lurking is a scum red flag.   20%
Toony   Normal switches, no excessive survivalism. Could be town.   10%
NQT   Committed Agentt vote — likely town.   5%
Jim   Same as NQT — consistent.   5%
Sal   Only voted Agentt. Might be town or a very gutsy partner. 10%

PPE:

I ran the same prompt Toony used and he's right, it does come out with Agent on top:

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Player   Notes   Mafia Likelihood
Agentt   Under pressure; voting Toony; self-preservation; possible mafia   4
Magma   On Toony wagon with Agentt; possible partner defense   4
Crystal   Same as Magma; feels coordinated   3.5
Imp   Not voting; possibly avoiding commitment   4
AnimePigeon   Also not voting; same logic   3.5
Jim   Early on Agentt; might be town pushing a case   2.5
NQT   Same as Jim   2.5
Sal   Possibly pushing town elim or bussing   3
Toony   Being wagoned by Agentt’s crew; may be town   2.5

The moral of this story is, of course, that ChatGPT is dogshit at mafia and we shouldn't be indulging in this nonsense.
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Re: Paranormal Mafia 28 - Day 1
« Reply #257 on: April 04, 2025, 09:51:27 pm »

Vote Count
Agentt: 3: Jim Groovester, Salvatore Monday, ToonyMan
Salvatore Monday: 2: Anime Pigeon, notquitethere
ToonyMan: 3: Agentt, Crystalizedmire, Magma Mater

Imp now has the opportunity to do the funniest thing...

Oops. One downside of having 50 posts per page is you can lose your place easy. This is right:

Magma: 2: Jim Groovester, Salvatore Monday
Agent 1: ToonyMan
Salvatore Monday: 2: Anime Pigeon, notquitethere
ToonyMan: 3: Agentt, Crystalizedmire, Magma Mater

OK, now we can have one of those sweet 4-way ties instead.

Funniest thing?  I mean.  I don't see why funny

    In the event of a tie, no lynch will occur.

Course, people would shift votes.

That might be funny and revealing, sure.
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Re: Paranormal Mafia 28 - Day 1
« Reply #258 on: April 04, 2025, 09:54:45 pm »

Anyway, unsurprisingly, it's now:

Magma: 3: Jim Groovester, Salvatore Monday, ToonyMan
Salvatore Monday: 2: Anime Pigeon, notquitethere
ToonyMan: 3: Agentt, Crystalizedmire, Magma Mater

Very exciting draw! Ties are great in mafia as they throw the next player's vote choice in stark relief.

Funniest thing?  I mean.  I don't see why funny
Join the Sal wagon and have a hearty laugh with me. Don't you want to see which way things shift when it comes down to the wire??
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Re: Paranormal Mafia 28 - Day 1
« Reply #259 on: April 04, 2025, 09:59:30 pm »

Magma, I'm obviously not seeing what you're seeing in Sal, so please enlighten me.

Give me your pov on Sal please! 🙏

Sal & Agent are neck & neck for me regarding whose appearing the most sus to me.

I'm not one to follow the herd, I'm one to make my own way & path, if that deviates from the rest so be it.

I'm not seeing much but fluff from Sal, same with Agent, neither are showing much fight or spirit to me.

Your rather confident that Sal won't be Lynched, which is fine - but I don't see how anything they have contributed could possibly have warranted immunity from the Day Vote.
You just don't get it 😮‍💨
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Re: Paranormal Mafia 28 - Day 1
« Reply #260 on: April 04, 2025, 10:00:25 pm »

I think someone trained ChatGPT using Mafia Universe games. It's the only explanation for those reads.
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Re: Paranormal Mafia 28 - Day 1
« Reply #261 on: April 04, 2025, 10:00:53 pm »

@NQT:
I didn't give the exact sequence of who voted who in the proper order, if you look at my log I was just telling it who votes who at any point since I didn't want to have doublecheck everything on my shitty phone.

You're right though, following the ChatGPT results like the Bible is stupid, but I think Magma's comment shows their malicious character because I'm telling the truth and I don't believe Magma cares about the truth.
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Re: Paranormal Mafia 28 - Day 1
« Reply #262 on: April 04, 2025, 10:05:42 pm »

@NQT:
I didn't give the exact sequence of who voted who in the proper order, if you look at my log I was just telling it who votes who at any point since I didn't want to have doublecheck everything on my shitty phone.

You're right though, following the ChatGPT results like the Bible is stupid, but I think Magma's comment shows their malicious character because I'm telling the truth and I don't believe Magma cares about the truth.
Yes, luckily you ninja'd me before I could post and I checked your method and I can confirm that it got the kinds of results that you got.

Now I've got to decide whether it was a legitimate worry or not. Both Magma and Imp thought you had skewed the results dishonestly. Imp however isn't voting you for it.
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Re: Paranormal Mafia 28 - Day 1
« Reply #263 on: April 04, 2025, 10:06:09 pm »

@NQT:
I didn't give the exact sequence of who voted who in the proper order, if you look at my log I was just telling it who votes who at any point since I didn't want to have doublecheck everything on my shitty phone.

You're right though, following the ChatGPT results like the Bible is stupid, but I think Magma's comment shows their malicious character because I'm telling the truth and I don't believe Magma cares about the truth.

Honestly, I'm surprised you didn't tip the scales. No matter your alignment. When I first read that post, I assumed that you had messed with the results somehow because they seemed so biased. I didn't bring it up because I don't think it's alignment indicative.
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Re: Paranormal Mafia 28 - Day 1
« Reply #264 on: April 04, 2025, 10:12:33 pm »

I am home.

@Imp yes it's fairly obvious that ToonyMan told chatgpt to assume that Agentt is mafia and ToonyMan is town.
This is slander and 100% untrue.

I believe you.  It's interesting and weirdly coincidental though.  Now I'm rolefishing ChatGPT as psychic.

Your only prompts are:

1) There is a 9 player game of mafia. 2 players are mafia. The list of players are Jim, Sal, Imp, Crystal, NQT, Toony, Magma, Agentt, and AnimePigeon. It is Day 1 with Jim, NQT, Sal, and Toony are voting Agentt while Magma, Crystal, and Agentt are voting Toony while Imp and AnimePigeon have not voted yet. Who is most likely mafia here?

2) What would be the percentage chances for each player being mafia?

Yet the model differentiates interestingly:

Imp   Not voting = avoiding alignment. Classic passive scum behavior.   25%
AnimePigeon   Also not voting. Slightly less suspicious if they’re truly inactive.   20%

Truly inactive?  Neat because AP was a late to start posting player.  But the model wasn't told that?  Also I have voted and unvoted, 2x.  AP has never voted as of when you asked.

It just openly presumes these 3 are early voters on Agentt?

NQT   Early voter on Agentt, unlikely to bus this hard D1.   10%
Jim   On Agentt early, likely town.   10%
Sal   Same as above. Could be a busser, but less likely.   10%

There's absolutely nothing in your prompt to suggest who was an early voter or not - yet those three are ... whoops, only NQT was an early voter - but on AP.  Agent and Crystal were the other early voters, again not on Agentt.  But NQT sure was an early voter!  Sal was the 4th to vote, Jim was VERY late compared to most of us to vote.

Neat stuff.

My personalization on, same first prompt as Toons (I don't need to ask for percentages):

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https://chatgpt.com/share/67f05925-bf6c-8011-91f5-98813972f2bb
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Re: Paranormal Mafia 28 - Day 1
« Reply #265 on: April 04, 2025, 10:13:01 pm »

Magma: 3: Jim Groovester, Salvatore Monday, ToonyMan
Salvatore Monday: 2: Anime Pigeon, notquitethere
ToonyMan: 3: Agentt, Crystalizedmire, Magma Mater

Hmmm.

I do think it would be pretty funny if we lynched a veteran d1 this time, just for laughs.

Welp.



I would be surprised if there was scum between ToonyMan and Salvatore Monday. I think the ToonyMan wagon looks worse than the Salvatore Monday wagon. I think AnimePigeon's case on Monday is bad but my reading of it is that it's more a case somebody who is town would produce even if I don't agree with it. notquitethere seems to be voting Salvatore Monday mostly to stir the pot at the end of the day, which I don't really mind that much.

ToonyMan's voters have thrown their votes on ToonyMan and just kind of sat there. Magma Mater is still engaged with the game at least, but CM and Agent T have been comparatively quiet.

Agent T, you voted ToonyMan for self-preservation but you're not the top wagon anymore. Will your vote change or will you keep it there?
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Re: Paranormal Mafia 28 - Day 1
« Reply #266 on: April 04, 2025, 10:15:08 pm »

I am home.

@Imp yes it's fairly obvious that ToonyMan told chatgpt to assume that Agentt is mafia and ToonyMan is town.
This is slander and 100% untrue.

I believe you.  It's interesting and weirdly coincidental though.  Now I'm rolefishing ChatGPT as psychic.

Your only prompts are:

1) There is a 9 player game of mafia. 2 players are mafia. The list of players are Jim, Sal, Imp, Crystal, NQT, Toony, Magma, Agentt, and AnimePigeon. It is Day 1 with Jim, NQT, Sal, and Toony are voting Agentt while Magma, Crystal, and Agentt are voting Toony while Imp and AnimePigeon have not voted yet. Who is most likely mafia here?

2) What would be the percentage chances for each player being mafia?

Yet the model differentiates interestingly:

Imp   Not voting = avoiding alignment. Classic passive scum behavior.   25%
AnimePigeon   Also not voting. Slightly less suspicious if they’re truly inactive.   20%

Truly inactive?  Neat because AP was a late to start posting player.  But the model wasn't told that?  Also I have voted and unvoted, 2x.  AP has never voted as of when you asked.

It just openly presumes these 3 are early voters on Agentt?

NQT   Early voter on Agentt, unlikely to bus this hard D1.   10%
Jim   On Agentt early, likely town.   10%
Sal   Same as above. Could be a busser, but less likely.   10%

There's absolutely nothing in your prompt to suggest who was an early voter or not - yet those three are ... whoops, only NQT was an early voter - but on AP.  Agent and Crystal were the other early voters, again not on Agentt.  But NQT sure was an early voter!  Sal was the 4th to vote, Jim was VERY late compared to most of us to vote.

Neat stuff.

My personalization on, same first prompt as Toons (I don't need to ask for percentages):

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https://chatgpt.com/share/67f05925-bf6c-8011-91f5-98813972f2bb

I'm assuming your missed my vote then?
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Re: Paranormal Mafia 28 - Day 1
« Reply #267 on: April 04, 2025, 10:15:57 pm »

Day 1 - General Vibes/Feels

* Notquitethere - Seems to be showing some Genuine Hunting, Very Clear Townie or Sublime Sneaky Evil!

* Crystalizedmire - Seems to be on a similar vibe to me regarding Salvatore

* ToonyMan - Sounding Good, but definitely got some views that differentiate from me. They think Salvatore is good, but given Salvatore hasn't made many posts or much impact, I can see ToonyMan believing what he's preaching.

* Imp - Solid Performance so far, trickery customer, that can easily weasel her way into causing Trouble. Evidently clear immediately she wouldn't be on the chopping block today.

* Jim Groovester - feeling generally null on this seat, some good posts, some lesser posts, looking to see them get more into the game and cast there net further afield than Magma Mater.

* Magma Mater - Seems to sus me for me asking NQT & Tony to stop voting alongside the company they had (Salvatore), still wanting more from them, but I would say is inside there good range, even though they are wrong regarding there view on me.

* Agentt - Don't really know what to expect from Agent. Been rather underwhelming, spending majority of Day 1 self-preservation voting the next wagon, not really showing much fight or determination to not be Lynched. Expecting a lot more from this seat, but worried they are a Walking Mis-Lynch.

* Salvatore Monday - See This

Salvatore Monday isn't going to be lynched, that is why your vote on him is bad. You had the opportunity to choose to vote either Agentt or ToonyMan, and you decided to vote for neither, which is what I would expect you to do if you are mafia with one of them. Just vote for someone who has a chance to be lynched.

Is there a way I can iso people in thread? Seeing how many posts they have made in that 1 game & only posts in that game?

Currently, I'm just clicking on someone's profile, show posts and trying to go through and keep up with what page I'm on 😂

That's the only way to do it, yep.

Magma, I'm obviously not seeing what you're seeing in Sal, so please enlighten me.

Give me your pov on Sal please! 🙏

Sal & Agent are neck & neck for me regarding whose appearing the most sus to me.

I'm not one to follow the herd, I'm one to make my own way & path, if that deviates from the rest so be it.

I'm not seeing much but fluff from Sal, same with Agent, neither are showing much fight or spirit to me.

Your rather confident that Sal won't be Lynched, which is fine - but I don't see how anything they have contributed could possibly have warranted immunity from the Day Vote.

I don't particularly think that he is town. My issue is that you tried to start a wagon when there were already two viable ones. And you waited until a few hours before deadline to do it. I think that most people will be hesitant to consider a new option at this point, considering they probably already have formed their own opinions on the people they are voting.
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Re: Paranormal Mafia 28 - Day 1
« Reply #268 on: April 04, 2025, 10:17:25 pm »

ToonyMan

I have to vote for the next biggest wagon just for self preservation here
This was like 10 hrs ago, I would hope to see more from Agent.
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Re: Paranormal Mafia 28 - Day 1
« Reply #269 on: April 04, 2025, 10:18:37 pm »

Magma, I'm obviously not seeing what you're seeing in Sal, so please enlighten me.

Give me your pov on Sal please! 🙏

Sal & Agent are neck & neck for me regarding whose appearing the most sus to me.

I'm not one to follow the herd, I'm one to make my own way & path, if that deviates from the rest so be it.

I'm not seeing much but fluff from Sal, same with Agent, neither are showing much fight or spirit to me.

Your rather confident that Sal won't be Lynched, which is fine - but I don't see how anything they have contributed could possibly have warranted immunity from the Day Vote.
You just don't get it 😮‍💨

When you add something more than a few one liners, maybe I'll be able to see you as Town.
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