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[Grand_Marquis]

A lot of these, like "salted" "deep fried" "basted" and "Marinated" would imply that extra steps were taken.  It would be cool if those steps actually were taken.  So that you could only get salted meats if you actually have salt, and you can only fry things if you've collected enough animal fat or done extractions to enough plants to make cooking oil.  Along with that, it would be awesome if it took into account whether or not the assigned cook owned a sharp object.  If not, then all of the adjectives that imply cutting would be left out. 

Also, some of those adjectives don't quite apply to everything.  You can only whisk liquids or eggs, for instance.  Though it would be hilarious to discover that one of my dwarfs had managed to create a meat merengue pie, containing expertly whisked cow meat.

[Qmarx]

Also, some of those adjectives don't quite apply to everything.  You can only whisk liquids or eggs, for instance.  Though it would be hilarious to discover that one of my dwarfs had managed to create a meat merengue pie, containing expertly whisked cow meat.

It's all in the tenderizing process.


What, you thought the Hammerer gets paid for justice?  Nah, that's just his hobby.

[Neonivek]

You can whisk meat. Though you can't cube flour (or maybe you can...)

Anyhow you would need about only 2-4 groups of food...

Solid: Foods that come in solid blocks (All meats and plants)
Liquid: Everything else Includes powders such as flour, salt, and sugar and soon to be liquids such as eggs.

If a third Id make it for eggs... fourth Id add Powders

[Techhead]

Guess what cooking show dwarves like to watch?

Will it mince?
That is the question!
*Grabs some one-humped camel milk and dwarven sugar*
...
(Please try this at home)
...
*20 seconds later*
Yes, it minces!
(Brought to you by Mincetec™)

[Proteus]

You can whisk meat. Though you can't cube flour (or maybe you can...)

Anyhow you would need about only 2-4 groups of food...

Solid: Foods that come in solid blocks (All meats and plants)
Liquid: Everything else Includes powders such as flour, salt, and sugar and soon to be liquids such as eggs.

If a third Id make it for eggs... fourth Id add Powders

This would be a good base for a slight alteration of the meal preparation mechanics.

Instead of having the requirement for your meals be 2,3,4 different stacks of ingredients, you could have the requirements be that each meal consists of 2,3,4 different groups of ingredients,

so that for example you could make an easy meal out of a stack of solid and a stack of liquid ingredients, whereas for a lavish meal you need a stack out of each group (in case of the groups you mentioned it would be  1 liquid + 1 solid + 1 eggs + 1 powder [ although, for this purpose maybe instead of eggs we should have another group, else eggs would become some kind of bottleneck for the preparation of lavish meals; maybe it would be a good idea if Toady introduced further plants that can be used as vegetables, so that we could have "vegetables" instead of eggs as a fourth group] ) 

[Pilsu]

I'd like if there was a reason to make things other than lavish meals. Maybe a royal chef while at it who only makes food when ordered by the nobles so it's fresh

Leaving roasts on the floor for weeks is stupid but the alternative might be a bit too microintensive

[Neonivek]

if Toady introduced further plants that can be used as vegetables, so that we could have "vegetables" instead of eggs as a fourth group]

The groups are there for preperation purposes in the sense that different actions can be taken on each.

You can't Marinate Milk... but you could a radish (however unlikely it is).

Eggs are unique in the sense that all Solid and Liquid actions can be taken... You can stir eggs and you can cut eggs hense why they were the 3rd group I would have made.

However I guess the true 4th group should be Spices if they ever make it in... Foods that cannot be main ingrediants

So what do you believe changes with vegetables?

[Granite26]

couldn't you cover eggs by a process eggs option that makes them a solid?  we could call it... boiling?  wouldn't cover EVERYTHING, but 90% is a good enough approximation for me

[Fatum]

As of storage times. Storing raw materials for a long time is ok, but storing prepared food is just unrealistic. That calls for a bit of overhaul: let's make the cooking a bit slower and let dwarf-feeding work like this: a cook stays in the kitchen and prepares food; the food prepared stays in the kitchen and can't me moved out; as soon as kitchen is cluttered, the cook yawns and goes to idle state until the food is eat up. Or alternatively speed the cooking up, with the cook waiting in the kitchen for a hungry dwarf to bring him ingredients he wants in his meal, then cooking the brought and giving it to the waiting dwarf.

[Proteus]

if Toady introduced further plants that can be used as vegetables, so that we could have "vegetables" instead of eggs as a fourth group]

The groups are there for preperation purposes in the sense that different actions can be taken on each.

You can't Marinate Milk... but you could a radish (however unlikely it is).

Eggs are unique in the sense that all Solid and Liquid actions can be taken... You can stir eggs and you can cut eggs hense why they were the 3rd group I would have made.

However I guess the true 4th group should be Spices if they ever make it in... Foods that cannot be main ingrediants

So what do you believe changes with vegetables?

The use of vegetables as group should be evident from the posting.
My suggested cooking system would be:
The stacks required for cooked meals must come from different groups (so that you would require 4 different groups for a lavish meal).

So if you had just 4 groups with eggs as one group, every lavish meal would require eggs (making them an effective bottleneck for the preparation of lavish meals). Having different vegetables either as 4th group (replacing eggs) or as additional 5th group would eleminate the problem

[winner]

solid
liquid
spice
(flour would be a spice I think and eggs would be a solid)

pre preperation

minced
sliced
diced
cubed
julienned
mashed
ground
grated
tenderized
chopped
(blank)

cooking methods

Baked
cooked
Barbecued
Broiled
Grilled
Roasted
Seared
toasted
chilled
caramelized
cured
smoked
Browned
Deep fried
Fried  Sautéed
Stir fried
Breaded

cooking with a liquid as well

Blanched in
Boiled in
Braised in
Parboiled in
Poached in
Simmered in
Steamed in
Steeped in
Stewed in
pickled in

Spice

garnished with
spiced with
seasoned with
topped with
flavored with
coated with
stuffed with
glazed with
(blank)

[Granite26]

solid post winner, I like what you're thinking.

Although, I'd like to suggest that we take a step back and get a list of foods/recipes that should be covered by the recipe situation.

The major one I'm thinking of is bread.  Two powders and a liquid make 1 solid.  (I'm thinking flour, yeast, water here).

[0x517A5D]

I don't like the lists of random food prep methods.  I think each recipe should come with its own customized prep actions.  So here's a proposal.

Let's start simple, with a one-food recipe.  Steak.  Grilled, fried, or broiled.

{ingredient1} steak
i1:meat:any:1
prep1:grilled {i1}
prep1:fried {i1}
prep1:broiled {i1}

"This is a well prepared horse meat steak.  It was made with well grilled horse meat."

"This is a stack of 3 exceptional cougar meat steaks.  They were made with exceptionally fried cougar meat."

That last one demonstrates that if there are enough of all ingredients, the recipe will be doubled or tripled or so on.


Here's a poached fish recipe.  Note the variation in the ingredients.  One is selected from the possibilities.  I arbitrarily assume that only dwarven wine and prickle berry wine are suitable for poaching, as strawberry wine and fisher berry wine are too sweet.

poached {ingredient1}
i1:fish:any:1
i2:alcohol:dwarven wine:1
i2:alcohol:prickle berry wine:1
i3:spice:quarry bush leaves:0
i3:spice:pepper:0
prep1:poached {i1}

This is a stack of 2 fine poached swordfish.  They were made with finely poached swordfish and dwarven wine.  They were also made with pepper.

The :0 on the spices means that ingredient is optional.

The fact that no prep step refers to an ingredient means that ingredient doesn't get a skill modifier, maybe.


{ingredient3} muffins
i1:milled product:any flour:2
i2:milled product:any sugar:1
i2:processed plants (barrel) products:dwarven syrup:1
i3:plant:any berry:1
i3:plant:sweet pod:1
i3:seed:rock nut:1
i3:seed:prickle berry:1
i3:seed:fisher berry:1
i3:seed:whip vine:1
prep1:mixed {i1}, {i2}, and {i3}
prep2:baked

This is a stack of 4 superior sweet pod muffins.  They were made with exceptionally mixed dwarven wheat flour, dwarven syrup, and sweet pods.  They were superiorly baked.

Note how if a prep step doesn't refer to an ingredient, it is listed after all of the ingredients.

Also note that 2 units of flour are called for.


{ingredient1} pie
i1:meat:any:1
i1:plant:any berry:1
i2:milled product:any flour:1
prep1:diced {i1}
prep2:kneaded {i2} dough
prep3:baked

This is a unicorn meat pie.  It is made with poorly diced unicorn meat and poorly kneaded whip vine flour dough.  It was well baked.

This is a stack of 8 masterful prickle berry pies a la Urist.  They were made with masterfully diced prickle berries and exceptionally kneaded dwarven flour dough.  They were masterfully baked.


{i2} and {i3} sandwich
i1:milled product:any flour:1
i2:meat:any:1
i3:cheese:any:1
i4:spice:quarry bush leaves:0
prep1:a baked {i1} bun:baked {i1} buns
prep2:sliced {i2} and {i3}
prep3:{i4}

This is a superior wolf meat and cow cheese sandwich.  It is made with an exceptionally baked whip vine flour bun, superiorly sliced wolf meat and cow cheese, and quarry bush leaves.

This is a giant toad meat and dwarven cheese sandwich.  It is made with poorly baked longland grass flour bun and poorly sliced giant toad meat and dwarven cheese.

If a prep step refers to an ingredient that is not used due to being optional, that prep step will be left out of the description.

Also demonstrates the need to have a way to pluralize.


Whaddaya think?

[winner]

sounds cool,
lets come up with lists of all the different foods you can make out of dwarven ingredients so we can organize the recipes.

crisps
tarts
bread
buns
cookies
biscuits
muffins
roast
ham
bacon
steak
berry pie
meat pie
pancakes
scones
sandwiches
enchiladas
stew
soup
doughnuts
bagels
stir fry
fritters

[Neonivek]

I think Felix the Cat was pretty dead on...

The foods themselves should not only decide what is made, but how they appear as an ingrediant as well.

This is a plate of exceptionally baked Dwarven Bread (Comes from Dwarven Flour), It was stuffed with diced mushrooms marinated in Tiger Liver, and garnished with Carmilised sugar

You get the idea... ignore the spelling mistakes.