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Title: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Jboy2000000 on August 27, 2012, 12:21:21 pm
Anyone ever heard of or thought of a LCS, MLP:FiM mod?
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on August 27, 2012, 12:21:58 pm
MLP threads are banned on Bay 12.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on August 27, 2012, 12:28:23 pm
Discussion of the show is banned, there's no blanket ban on everything vaguely related. Otherwise I think the massive Pony Fortress thread would probably have been axed.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Smashness on August 27, 2012, 12:46:06 pm
Time to use the Angry Font.

NO. GTFO.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Zangi on August 27, 2012, 02:11:23 pm
Pony mods are not banned...  threads discussing the show, are banned, which is not the issue here.

As you can see here: Pony Mod (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=80240.0),Fanon is Magic (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=104959.0) and Rampage Edition (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=95891.0).

Please don't spread misinformation.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on August 27, 2012, 03:06:35 pm
Pony mods are not banned...  threads discussing the show, are banned, which is not the issue here.

Please don't spread misinformation.  Thanks.
Toady said, and I quote "No more pony threads." He never specified that it was just the show, its just that those other threads haven't derailed into....horrible things and had his attention brought to them.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Soadreqm on August 27, 2012, 03:19:58 pm
Time to use the Angry Font.

Shh.

Shhhhhhhh.

Only ponies now.

I'm not sure what a pony mod would actually change, though. Alter the health system and hit messages to make everyone have equine bodies? Change the random name files? (Conservative President Applebloom.) I guess you could theoretically shift the political agenda from "liberalism" to something like "friedship". That would be... interesting, at least. Shooting people to make hugs mandatory and releasing parasprites into the groundwater to promote the cause of sharing. Yeah, that isn't a mod idea I would expect anyone to ever have thought of. At least not for very long.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Smashness on August 27, 2012, 03:27:10 pm
Time to use the Angry Font.

Shh.

Shhhhhhhh.

Only ponies now.

I'm not sure what a pony mod would actually change, though. Alter the health system and hit messages to make everyone have equine bodies? Change the random name files? (Conservative President Applebloom.) I guess you could theoretically shift the political agenda from "liberalism" to something like "friedship". That would be... interesting, at least. Shooting people to make hugs mandatory and releasing parasprites into the groundwater to promote the cause of sharing. Yeah, that isn't a mod idea I would expect anyone to ever have thought of. At least not for very long.

Don't give the damn bronies any ideas...

Pardon my French, BUT PONIES ARE FUCKING EVERYWHERE NOW
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: brainfreez on August 27, 2012, 04:19:42 pm
"ponie , this is unicorn . unicorn , this is pony ....


now breed !"

you could make pony/unicorn creature called ponycorn , give it a horn , little rainbow , a cauldron full of brownies and mustard .
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Sheb on August 27, 2012, 04:23:03 pm
Toady banned ponies? That's awesome.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Smashness on August 27, 2012, 05:12:46 pm
Toady banned ponies? That's awesome.
I totally agree.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: EuchreJack on August 27, 2012, 05:17:57 pm
Frankly, there are so few mods for LCS, and the difficulty in actually making a full conversion mod is so high, that I for one welcome anyone to try to make a Pony mod for LCS.

Note, in order to make a Pony mod for LCS, one would need to understand the inner working of LCS itself.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Jonathan S. Fox on August 27, 2012, 06:53:51 pm
Unless I hear otherwise from Tarn, or this thread has inappropriate content, I will not be locking this thread or otherwise taking brutish censorship actions against it just for being MLP related. This shouldn't be taken as a blanket license to spam off-topic MLP content in other threads; that is generally rude forum behavior and is what usually gets MLP banned or kept to one thread in other forums.

The "pony ban" is a sentence Toady One posted after he was forced to repeatedly respond to My Little Pony threads in General Discussion veering into inappropriate content. After the second time he locked a major thread, he invited the community to recreate the thread if they could follow the rules, but warned that he would take harsher measures if the problems continued to occur. After the third time, he said that was it for My Little Pony threads in this forum. As far as I know and can tell, it's nothing resembling a personal hatred or ideological crusade -- he's never rigorously enforced it, and probably just wants to avoid the unweildy responsibility of trying to police the discussions. He's not a tyrant in his moderation style, and I don't intend to act like one for him.

While I do find this thread itself to be acceptable, there is something in this thread that is not acceptable, and that's the flagrant factionalism. I don't mind civil discussion of whether MLP content is allowed or not, but the "GTFO" and "damn bronies" replies, plus to a lesser extent commentary on the ban being "awesome", are not only unconstructive, they are flamebait, they serve to promote meaningless hostility toward other posters, and they make you look childish. Unlike pony mods, picking fights and insulting other posters is explicitly prohibited by the posted Bay12Games forum guidelines.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Jboy2000000 on August 27, 2012, 10:47:58 pm
I can't beleive how many positive responces I got, I expected everyone to start bashing me hard becuase I was a brony. I want to thank those who acctually thought about their replies, and gave good ideas, and to those who probably just saw "Ponies" or "MLP:FiM" and were just like "NOPE!" thanks for posting on the thread any way. Ill be sure to adhire to any and all non-pony rules in the future to cut down on any more mishaps.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Telgin on August 27, 2012, 10:56:02 pm
Discussion of the show is banned, there's no blanket ban on everything vaguely related. Otherwise I think the massive Pony Fortress thread would probably have been axed.

This.

More specifically, he actually went into one of the two threads and cleaned up after a troll user without so much a word as to closing the thread in general, or disapproving of its other content.  This was after the ban.

So, I'd take that as plenty of evidence that Toady doesn't care as long as nobody makes another general discussion topic about MLP in the General Discussion board.  Or strays into unapproved territory in another thread, of course.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: G-Flex on August 27, 2012, 11:09:56 pm
Why in God's name do bronies have to inject that one fucking show into literally everything? Why? Can you not comprehend the concept of enjoying something separate from your favorite children's cartoon?
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Jboy2000000 on August 27, 2012, 11:12:17 pm
We don't, those who do mix MLP and something else enjoy both greatly, and take time to find a way to mix it naturally.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: G-Flex on August 27, 2012, 11:26:33 pm
I'm really curious how you intend to mix a children's cartoon show starring ponies learning how to be friends with a violent text game serving as a satire of American politics and fringe domestic terrorist groups in a way that's supposed to come off as "natural" in any way, shape, or form.

Not everyone who enjoys something feels the need to smear it across everything else they like, and I don't know why the brony subculture seems so hell-bent on doing so.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Jboy2000000 on August 27, 2012, 11:30:11 pm
We Bronies are very flexible, and really good Bronies can work ponies in with viloent, grimdark, and other such situation with enough creativity, to make it seem like the ponies fit into that situation. Also, bronies aren't a subculture, were just people who like a show.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: G-Flex on August 27, 2012, 11:34:30 pm
If you can state a generality beginning with "We Bronies", then yes, you are a subculture. You're a group of individuals who coalesce into a sort of community based on a similar interest, with its own customs, social trends, and even vocabulary. That's a subculture, and it's not as if there's anything wrong with it being one.

Also, by "we Bronies are very flexible [...]", it's hard not to interpret that as "we Bronies are obsessive enough about the show that it seems to fit everything naturally because it's such a foundational element of our lives and identities". Just saying.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Jboy2000000 on August 27, 2012, 11:39:01 pm
Whatever, Bronies are supposed to love and tolerate, so thank you for opinion on bronies.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: G-Flex on August 27, 2012, 11:42:09 pm
"Supposed to"? Dude, first you say it's not a subculture, and now you're acting like there's dogma attached to the identity. I suppose it's more of a religion, then?
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Hanslanda on August 27, 2012, 11:43:08 pm
I for one, agree with G-Flex, but not quite as virulently. It doesn't really bother me, but I see it a bit more than I would like to. :/

"Supposed to"? Dude, first you say it's not a subculture, and now you're acting like there's dogma attached to the identity. I suppose it's more of a religion, then?


This is on the verge, I think. Be more polite and calm please. Also, religion is a bad place to go... Just saying.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Jboy2000000 on August 27, 2012, 11:44:09 pm
I bet you never you even watched the show and just hate it becuase so many people do. Also, this is the end of our little conversation.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: G-Flex on August 27, 2012, 11:44:59 pm
I never said I hated the show. I don't know that much about it, even.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Corai on August 27, 2012, 11:48:33 pm
To lighten the mood, i'm gonna share my thoughts.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
That is how I see this thread in a few more posts.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Anticheese on August 27, 2012, 11:51:04 pm
Putting aside the subculture/religion/injecting it into everything debate, how on earth is My Little Pony even remotely compatible with LCS?
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Splint on August 27, 2012, 11:51:34 pm
I never said I hated the show. I don't know that much about it, even.

It's really not that bad, but I more appreciate the fandom and the stuff it churns out (some of them are damned talented) than the show proper. Besides, if it can make a gloomy bunch of bastards smile there's gotta be something going horribly wrong, or right depending on the view.

Besides, I for one welcome opprotunities to shoot, maim or otherwise horribly injure the little balls of diabetic shock.

I am an equal opprotunity war criminal after all.

To lighten the mood, i'm gonna share my thoughts.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
That is how I see this thread in a few more posts.

Also this.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Hanslanda on August 27, 2012, 11:53:38 pm
Putting aside the subculture/religion/injecting it into everything debate, how on earth is My Little Pony even remotely compatible with LCS?


This. It's like Rome: Total War: Merchantilism Mod!

It makes no cents. :P
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Splint on August 27, 2012, 11:54:36 pm

This. It's like Rome: Total War: Merchantilism Mod!

It makes no cents. :P

That was the one of the worst puns I have ever seen. Ever.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Hanslanda on August 27, 2012, 11:55:28 pm
But it distracted you from the hate and vitriol building beneath the surface, so it has served its' intended porpoise.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Jboy2000000 on August 27, 2012, 11:56:40 pm
Grimith: "It doesn't make sense, it doesn't even make dollars."

Also, I hope this doesn't turn into a flame war, because then Today One is probably gonna come down on our asses like a hammer.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Splint on August 27, 2012, 11:59:04 pm
@ Hans - Again, crappy pun is crappy. But the purpose is respected.

@ Jboy -  Not another money pun.... AH SEE WUT U DID THAR MAN. And if the Toad decides to bring the wrath of the threadlockhammer upon us, so be it. Cause if it gets that bad we deserved it.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Anticheese on August 28, 2012, 12:05:56 am
Grimith: "It doesn't make sense, it doesn't even make dollars."

Also, I hope this doesn't turn into a flame war, because then Today One is probably gonna come down on our asses like a hammer.

You could at least make an effort to try and address the questions fairly, openly, and politely, rather than instantly assuming any scrutiny of a thread you started is trying to incite a flame war.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Splint on August 28, 2012, 12:10:17 am
Grimith: "It doesn't make sense, it doesn't even make dollars."

Also, I hope this doesn't turn into a flame war, because then Today One is probably gonna come down on our asses like a hammer.

You could at least make an effort to try and address the questions fairly, openly, and politely, rather than instantly assuming any scrutiny of a thread you started is trying to incite a flame war.

Misunderstandings and poor word choice can lead to flame wars. From what I could tell that seems to be what would have caused one but thankfully it seems level heads have prevailed.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Anticheese on August 28, 2012, 12:18:12 am
So if our heads are level, I'd like to ask again:

Why do you believe MLP is compatible with LCS?

Following on from that, why do you wish to do that? Do you think you can make a start on this yourself?

How do you propose to "MLP-ify" LCS? What changes do you intend to make, and what do you see the final result being?
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Jonathan S. Fox on August 28, 2012, 12:19:00 am
I'll be glad if people who have no interest in the topic will refrain from actively sassing the OP, especially given that he's been very gracious in the face of repeated provocation. Polite discussion of the topic is fine.

Putting aside the subculture/religion/injecting it into everything debate, how on earth is My Little Pony even remotely compatible with LCS?

That's a good question. G-Flex described the problem as trying to "mix a children's cartoon show starring ponies learning how to be friends with a violent text game serving as a satire of American politics and fringe domestic terrorist groups". Obviously such a mod would need to discard a few incompatible elements and take some important ones from each, thus producing a violent text game serving as a satire of ponies learning how to be friends. It could be ponies in a modern political setting with a love and friendship platform, staying mostly similar to LCS with a bit of skinning, or they could take the existing world of the show and have the revolution take place there, using in-world justifications. I'm sure the wisdom/heart attacks could be reskinned easily, and seduction can be swapped out for befriending other ponies.

Grimith: "It doesn't make sense, it doesn't even make dollars."

Also, I hope this doesn't turn into a flame war, because then Today One is probably gonna come down on our asses like a hammer.

You could at least make an effort to try and address the questions fairly, openly, and politely, rather than instantly assuming any scrutiny of a thread you started is trying to incite a flame war.

I'm pretty sure he wasn't accusing you of trying to incite a flame war; that was a whole second line of discussion going on that wasn't provoked by your comment.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Anticheese on August 28, 2012, 12:21:03 am
I know. I was asking him to answer the questions asked earlier in the thread, rather than cry "flame war" and perpetuate it further.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: MrWiggles on August 28, 2012, 12:29:28 am
I've seen the first two seasons of MLP... and its not as great as tv show to deserve the fandom it has received. Its a fantastic little kid show, written in a fashion to be tolerable and enjoyable by their parents, buts its no Tiny Toons when it comes with that dual layer of humor. MiL isn't going to drastically change because you watch from when your 8 to when your 20.

And there is no 'natural' way to make a MLP for LCS. You'd have to change fair to most of the elements of LCS to make it 'ponified', at which point are actually playing LCS anymore?
 
Just on a personal level, the MLP fandom should just get the fuck over itself. Its an above average kids show. Thats all.

I bet you never you even watched the show and just hate it becuase so many people do. Also, this is the end of our little conversation.
And you dont need to watch a show to obtain an opinion on its fandom.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: G-Flex on August 28, 2012, 12:33:54 am
[stuff]

I agree it's theoretically possible to convert LCS into a kids' show setting like that if it's done to make some sort of point, parody the show, or whatever, in the same sense in which it's theoretically possible to do a Pee-Wee's Playhouse total conversion mod for the original Deus Ex. If you want, you can hypothetically justify any bizarre combination of things and find some way to make it work to some end, but I don't know if that's what's going on here. Brony subculture seems pretty hell-bent on doing this to everything, just as their default M.O., and I can't figure out why.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Jboy2000000 on August 28, 2012, 12:34:39 am
A lot of people have made MLP dark and evil, ever heard of "Cupcakes?" Watch it on youtube, if someone could make THAT from MLP, I don't see why we have to change a whole lot about LCS to Pony-fy it.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Anticheese on August 28, 2012, 12:34:53 am
MrWriggles knows where its at. I completely fail to understand the attraction in the proposed pony conversion mods that I've seen for Fallout 3/NV, Civilization V, and Skyrim. Its quite simply not a natural fit for any of these games, and I doubt any show is both good enough and thematically fitting enough to warrant such an effort in almost any game.

I also found a failed My Little Pony-themed remake of Command & Conquer. The developer's second failed project was a Furcadia clone with a goal of explicitly rejecting any monetisation, and his current project is a roguelike based around rape, with Dwarf Fortress listed as one of its influences.

It also has My Little Ponies as a playable race.

I would love to see an example of a Pony-related fan-made product that was in fitting with both the original show and the format/game its being presented in, and that wasn't vapourware. Seeing the above thing advertised on roguelike release lists has severely damaged my faith in ever seeing something sensible and good come out of that community.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Splint on August 28, 2012, 12:37:53 am
@ G-Flex - My guess? Just for shits and giggles.

@ Anticheese - See above, cause that sounds disturbingly hilarious.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Anticheese on August 28, 2012, 12:38:37 am
How on earth is a game about rape hilarious, or in any way acceptable?
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Splint on August 28, 2012, 12:40:31 am
I find many disturbing things rather funny when placed into a game type format. Doesn't mean I think people should REALLY do those things. Just find ponies being one fot he playable races funny is all.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Jboy2000000 on August 28, 2012, 12:41:50 am
Rape? What the hell are you talking about? Cupcakes isn't about rape.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Anticheese on August 28, 2012, 12:44:08 am
What I was talking about helps prove the point about bronies injecting elements from the show into the most inappropriate places possible. That example can't be taken as anything other than further adding ones fetishes to an already awful exercise in fetishism, and pandering to that audience.

To clarify, I'm not making any personal attacks on the members of this forum. If you like the show, that's fine. Please help me get some evidence against that by giving detailed answers to the questions I asked earlier. I seriously want to believe that a pony-related fan-made game or mod can have a well thought-out, thematically fitting and non-offensive idea behind it.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: G-Flex on August 28, 2012, 12:46:29 am
A lot of people have made MLP dark and evil, ever heard of "Cupcakes?" Watch it on youtube, if someone could make THAT from MLP, I don't see why we have to change a whole lot about LCS to Pony-fy it.

LCS isn't about some weird Internet sense of ~grimdark violence~ or whatever. It's political. I just don't understand how you could incorporate MLP into that without, well, completely destroying the original appeal or tone of the game.

Rape? What the hell are you talking about? Cupcakes isn't about rape.

He wasn't talking about Cupcakes.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Jboy2000000 on August 28, 2012, 12:49:21 am
Oh, I guess he meant a comment above mine. Anyhow, Im not saying LCS is Grimdark Violence, Im just saying that the concept of MLP is flexible to fit into a lot of situations out of its normal Huggles and Rainbow Kittens type mood.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Anticheese on August 28, 2012, 12:51:07 am
How? That's what is presented in the show, which is the concept.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: G-Flex on August 28, 2012, 12:51:18 am
Isn't that mood the entire point of the show? It's basically made out of pure sugar.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Jboy2000000 on August 28, 2012, 12:54:22 am
You ever eat pure sugar? Its more sour than it sounds, and it will leave a bad taste in your mouth. Besides, a lot of shows get fit into situatons a whole lot worse then the LCS, so I don't see why not this show.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Splint on August 28, 2012, 12:55:41 am
@ Anticheese - I won't lie about it, the fandom has some very sick individuals, but then you get that with all of them. There's really no escape and best to just ignor it if it isn't a total threat to mankind (it might be a threat to personal sanity, but then so is gazing into 4chan or the other black holes of sanity around the interwebz.)

And why does anyone really care what someone else does for a mod? Don't care for it? Ignor it. Not like it'll damage your eyesight or reputation or something. I wouldn't care for such a mod for LCS, but others might and that's fine. Not like it affects me none. But then I guess we're all entitled to voice our opinions.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Anticheese on August 28, 2012, 12:58:04 am
Can you please explain why My Little Pony would fit. Just because other TV shows may have more violence than LCS, My Little Pony isn't instantly a good choice for this by association.

Please, outline clearly how you, in an ideal world where you have all the skills and resources you need, would make a My Little Pony mod for Liberal Crime Squad. Please try not to make any reference to other media, as we are purely concerned with MLP, and LCS in this question.

Edit: Splint, I completely agree with you. No fandom or any group of individuals with a common interest is pure, and if you like the show, that's fine by me. All I want to see is how this can be made to work without discarding the fundamental themes of either thing. If JBoy wants to make this mod, he needs to be at least able to outline any solid ideas whatsoever on how to make this work. If he can do that and wishes to make the mod, I wish him the best of luck, but I'm yet to see my question addressed.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Jboy2000000 on August 28, 2012, 01:01:19 am
Of course. I wouldn't change a thing mostly, just change some of the professions to be more pony-like, and change Liberal to Friendship, and Conservitive to Discord, or something similar.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: G-Flex on August 28, 2012, 01:03:02 am
That sounds like a cut-and-replace job that doesn't really seem to serve any particular purpose. Speaking for myself, I don't get it.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Splint on August 28, 2012, 01:05:17 am
It doesn't need to fit. When you look around, you'll find mods for things that make no sense. This is one of those instances. I won't bother trying to rationalize it because I can't, and there really doesn't need to be a reason. if someone wants to make a mod that makes little sense let them. It won't hurt anyone else.

I mean hell, I've done things with DF or drawings that make no damn sense at all (railguns being producable by a nominally middle-ages fantasy race spring to mind, or an instance where I've strapped a machinegun on a robot arm to a pony's back in a drawing for shits and giggles.)

Point is, why is it such a bother? Not like the majority of people will give two shits. Now I'm just annoyed by the repeated "Justify it" response.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Jboy2000000 on August 28, 2012, 01:08:16 am
Well I didn't finish, I had to do something and posted it, and then you posted before I could get back and edit. It would also replace the president and cabinet with Princess Celestia, and the Justaces with the Mane Six, and they change political views based on public opion, and Celestia changes her views based on the views of the Mane Six.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: G-Flex on August 28, 2012, 01:09:47 am
It doesn't need to fit. When you look around, you'll find mods for things that make no sense. This is one of those instances. I won't bother trying to rationalize it because I can't, and there really doesn't need to be a reason. if someone wants to make a mod that makes little sense let them. It won't hurt anyone else.

I mean hell, I've done things with DF or drawings that make no damn sense at all (railguns being producable by a nominally middle-ages fantasy race spring to mind, or an instance where I've strapped a machinegun on a robot arm to a pony's back in a drawing for shits and giggles.)

Point is, why is it such a bother? Not like the majority of people will give two shits. Now I'm just annoyed by the repeated "Justify it" response.

In a sense, I agree. In another sense, I'm referring less to individual quirky mods or whatever and more to patterns of behavior of a very large internet subculture.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Splint on August 28, 2012, 01:16:36 am
Hey, I agree bronies can (and often will) over do it, but there's nothing anyone can really do to stop it,  so it isn't worth getting bent out of shape over. But then as I said, we're all entitled to our opinions, and I misinterrpretted some of this as complaining more about a random mod idea than the fandom. That was my bad.

What they do is often the simple result of "Why not" more often than not though. That or just simple bordom and some free time. It's just the REALLY sick fucks mixed in you gotta worry about.

E: Typos and to say Holy crap i didn't get ninja'd for once!
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Jonathan S. Fox on August 28, 2012, 01:31:17 am
I think we can all agree that bronies are bizarrely prolific in applying ponies to other things, and there's no grand purpose to it. But so too does Liberal Crime Squad itself exist mostly for shits and giggles. It's not intended to teach you something or make a point. It can be described in a way that makes it sound like it has high pretentious justifications, but it's really none of those things; it exists because Toady One used to make some really bizarre and sometimes offensive games, and one day he made this one. If somebody wants to add ponies to it, more power to them.

The only thing I really hate is people taking the game too seriously. And clearly, anyone proposing to replace the President of the United States with "Princess Celestia" and fill the game with friendship ponies is not taking the game too seriously.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: MrWiggles on August 28, 2012, 02:15:45 am
How on earth is a game about rape hilarious, or in any way acceptable?
Its because its not /legitimate/ rape.

Edit:
Oh, I guess he meant a comment above mine. Anyhow, Im not saying LCS is Grimdark Violence, Im just saying that the concept of MLP is flexible to fit into a lot of situations out of its normal Huggles and Rainbow Kittens type mood.
MLP, isn' that flexible. The show itself doesnt go into different genres, nor does it tell a wide range of stories... its quite inflexible really. Its so called "flexibility", is because the fanbase think that juxtaposition equals creativity.

And the fans of MLP, read way to much into the series... like relationship between ponies. Those mostly likly didnt exist before the fandom decided that it must be so. I bet most background ponies are placed together depending if their complementary or contrasting colors.

Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Jboy2000000 on August 28, 2012, 02:37:18 am
Almost ALL shows have pairings, throw a dart at a TV guide, and if it hits a cartoon, that cartoon will probably have pairings.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Jonathan S. Fox on August 28, 2012, 02:53:30 am
MLP, isn' that flexible. The show itself doesnt go into different genres, nor does it tell a wide range of stories... its quite inflexible really. Its so called "flexibility", is because the fanbase think that juxtaposition equals creativity.

And the fans of MLP, read way to much into the series... like relationship between ponies. Those mostly likly didnt exist before the fandom decided that it must be so. I bet most background ponies are placed together depending if their complementary or contrasting colors.

If you wish to discuss an LCS mod related to MLP, feel free to do so. Your commentary about the show, its fans, relationship pairings, and whatever else that has nothing to do with the game, can be taken to another forum.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Ultimuh on August 28, 2012, 03:00:51 am
At first I read the title as "Liberal Crime Penguins".
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Sheb on August 28, 2012, 03:49:30 am
Just wanted to plop by and say I didn't mean to be offensive, I don't have anything against bronies (Don't have anything for them either though). My comment on the ban being awesome was more in a "WTF. Ponies are banned? Can't I even start an horse-riding thread? :p".

As for the mod, except for changing a few name here and there, which wouldn't add much (or at all) to the game in my opinion, your change seems detrimental to game fun. If I understood it right, you're removing one branch of government (Since the way to influence the executive is to influence the judiciary.) So less complexity in a already simple game.

It may be more interesting if you set the game in MlP word, and make the player play whoever are the bad guys in the show.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: MrWiggles on August 28, 2012, 03:59:43 am
The show doesnt have any bad guys. Even the suggested, Discord, isn't actually evil, its just chaos personified. Not the Dark Knight Rises Joker, sorta chaos, more of the whimsical Lolz chaos but it doesnt actually hurt anyone.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Ultimuh on August 28, 2012, 04:01:33 am
Howabout making it pony (liberal) vs penguin (conservative, because you know.. they wear suits.)?
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Jonathan S. Fox on August 28, 2012, 04:19:19 am
An LCS mod doesn't need evil, it can just whip up some nonsense excuse for a conflict. The base game certainly doesn't look very far before making normal people out to be anti-heroes and villains. Heck, it could be a pegasus versus unicorn civil war. Normal ponies are moderates.

In game development, the "rule of cool" is generally a stronger argument than any realism or plausibility objections. In this case, cool is determined by what people who want to see the mod want to see, and realism is canon. If a modder wants ponies shooting up the pony police station, they can trod all over canon to justify it and be in good standing.

Or ponies versus penguins. Really, if you're making a mod about My Little Liberal: Crimesquadding Is Magic, it does not have to make sense.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Jboy2000000 on August 28, 2012, 04:19:46 am
I still like the idea I said before about Liberal being Friendship and Conseritive being Discord. Granted Wiggles was right in saying hes not really evil, neither are the conservitives. I also had the idea that when the opinion of the leader changes, the leader changes, going like this.

Discord, Luna, Celestia, Shinging Armor, and Candance.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Zangi on August 28, 2012, 10:20:02 am
Why are we... debating on...  "Justifying an LCS Pony Mod"?
If the person wants to do it, let them.  And more importantly, ignore them if you don't like it.  Its like saying its ok to mod Dwarf Fortress but not LCS.  You don't see people trying to make up excuses to convince people not to mod Dwarf Fortress do you?


On a more related note...  are you actually making the mod yourself Jboy or just throwing out ideas?
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Jboy2000000 on August 28, 2012, 10:28:05 am
I can't mod worth a lick of salt yet, so no Im just suggesting it, maybe once I get better at modding Ill try to do it.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Splint on August 28, 2012, 10:41:07 am
I for one support the Ponies vs Penguins struggle. because in my head that sounds hilarious. And now I have another drawing project to work on. Thank you Bay12, you never cease to amaze me with the absurd drawing ideas you plant in my head.
I can't mod worth a lick of salt yet, so no Im just suggesting it, maybe once I get better at modding Ill try to do it.

Best of luck if you do get to modding it. Hope it makes as little sense as humanly possible.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Jboy2000000 on August 28, 2012, 10:43:32 am
Ill do my danmdest, but Ponies vs. Panguins... Yeah... No. Panguins don't even exist in the pony-verse.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Splint on August 28, 2012, 10:47:00 am
Well it's gonna happen. I've got alot of free time and the image in my head of a horrible penguin-pony war is too funny to pass up.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Jboy2000000 on August 28, 2012, 10:51:31 am
Ok, could you please link to the mod when its done? While its not what I would do, it sounds interesting.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Sheb on August 28, 2012, 10:58:24 am
I think he's going to draw it, not mod it.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Splint on August 28, 2012, 11:01:50 am
I think he's going to draw it, not mod it.


This. Honestly I think you guys cleared up my art block.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Jboy2000000 on August 28, 2012, 11:11:48 am
Oh :P Well still, that sounds like it would be a funny/interestinf picture. Link it when you're done?
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Splint on August 28, 2012, 11:23:21 am
I can send it yes. I just need to devise a suitable appearence for the penguins.  Or not, since I've already gimdarked the shit out of ponies with the full combat kit. Penguins fighting Ponies.... It shall be glorious if I can do it right.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Donuts on August 28, 2012, 11:42:23 am
Modding LCS is actually pretty easy, but probaly only for weapons/armor, as that is the only stuff i experimented with.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: G-Flex on August 28, 2012, 12:38:15 pm
Why are we... debating on...  "Justifying an LCS Pony Mod"?
If the person wants to do it, let them.  And more importantly, ignore them if you don't like it.  Its like saying its ok to mod Dwarf Fortress but not LCS.  You don't see people trying to make up excuses to convince people not to mod Dwarf Fortress do you?

I don't think I would react any differently to someone modding Dwarf Fortress. Well, actually, maybe a little, since DF is more sandboxy and lends itself a bit more to total conversions.


At any rate: Modding LCS sounds like a pain in the ass because of all the ridiculous spaghetti code involved. I've looked at the source once and don't really want to do so again.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Zangi on August 28, 2012, 12:58:21 pm
Eh, its pie in the sky at the moment anyways. 
If you really wanted to shut it down rationally, just ask the person posting if it was just an idea or if they are actually doing something about it...

... Meh...
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Donuts on August 28, 2012, 01:27:10 pm
XML is easy enough to understand, at the top or the source code thu even included a guide for modders
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: MrWiggles on August 28, 2012, 08:26:26 pm
Ill do my danmdest, but Ponies vs. Panguins... Yeah... No. Panguins don't even exist in the pony-verse.
The majority of the elements in LCS aren't found in MLP either.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Zangi on August 29, 2012, 12:57:01 am
Eh, you can do peaceful wins in LCS... though I find violent ponies to be much more hilarious and entertaining...
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: brainfreez on August 29, 2012, 09:27:33 am
you could mod a moderate crime squad with a penguin as leader , the penguin loves to bite off faces to people (that's why moderate crime squads are face less)
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: EuchreJack on August 29, 2012, 09:59:02 am
Why are we... debating on...  "Justifying an LCS Pony Mod"?
If the person wants to do it, let them.  And more importantly, ignore them if you don't like it.  Its like saying its ok to mod Dwarf Fortress but not LCS.  You don't see people trying to make up excuses to convince people not to mod Dwarf Fortress do you?

I don't think I would react any differently to someone modding Dwarf Fortress. Well, actually, maybe a little, since DF is more sandboxy and lends itself a bit more to total conversions.


At any rate: Modding LCS sounds like a pain in the ass because of all the ridiculous spaghetti code involved. I've looked at the source once and don't really want to do so again.

Dude, they have a MLP mod for Dwarf Fortress.  It's called Pony Fortress or something.  I think it changes dwarves into ponies.

EDIT: It's called Pony Mod: My Little Fortress.  It's up to 138 pages.  Link (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=80240.0)
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Splint on August 29, 2012, 10:01:18 am
That's dwarf fortress though. Whole different animal compared to LCS.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: EuchreJack on August 29, 2012, 10:05:27 am
Why are we... debating on...  "Justifying an LCS Pony Mod"?
If the person wants to do it, let them.  And more importantly, ignore them if you don't like it.  Its like saying its ok to mod Dwarf Fortress but not LCS.  You don't see people trying to make up excuses to convince people not to mod Dwarf Fortress do you?

I don't think I would react any differently to someone modding Dwarf Fortress. Well, actually, maybe a little, since DF is more sandboxy and lends itself a bit more to total conversions.


At any rate: Modding LCS sounds like a pain in the ass because of all the ridiculous spaghetti code involved. I've looked at the source once and don't really want to do so again.

Dude, they have a MLP mod for Dwarf Fortress.  It's called Pony Fortress or something.  I think it changes dwarves into ponies.

EDIT: It's called Pony Mod: My Little Fortress.  It's up to 138 pages.  Link (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=80240.0)

Part that I was responding to.  But yes, I can see how a mod for Dwarf Fortress and LCS would vary a lot (most prominently, a mod for Dwarf Fortress is significantly easier than a mod for LCS, and all that follows from that).
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: brainfreez on August 29, 2012, 10:33:18 am
moding DF is really easy , once you get all the tags , you can mod in anything .

LCS is harder to mod , because the tags are more complicated .
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: G-Flex on August 29, 2012, 10:47:28 am
Dude, they have a MLP mod for Dwarf Fortress.  It's called Pony Fortress or something.  I think it changes dwarves into ponies.

EDIT: It's called Pony Mod: My Little Fortress.  It's up to 138 pages.  Link (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=80240.0)

I know. I don't really want to think about it.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Donuts on August 29, 2012, 10:49:17 am
moding DF is really easy , once you get all the tags , you can mod in anything .

LCS is harder to mod , because the tags are more complicated .
No, i made a mod with 20+ weapons and armor, and some cars. DF is definetely harder if you are a beginner, as LCS tags explain themselves, and there are a lot fewer to add.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Sheb on August 29, 2012, 10:51:13 am
Yeah, but doing anything else than adding items is pretty hard.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Donuts on August 29, 2012, 10:58:54 am
Yeah, but doing anything else than adding items is pretty hard.
Locations are annoying, true, and also NPC's, but items are the whole meaning with mods for LCS :P
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: brainfreez on August 29, 2012, 10:59:43 am
DF is pretty much only tags , LCS is more than just tags .
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: G-Flex on August 29, 2012, 11:00:12 am
Yeah, but doing anything else than adding items is pretty hard.
Locations are annoying, true, and also NPC's, but items are the whole meaning with mods for LCS :P

This seems a bit circular to me. I'd say that the reason "items are the whole meaning with mods for LCS" is that modding anything else significantly is too difficult for people to bother.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Donuts on August 29, 2012, 11:03:53 am
Yeah, but doing anything else than adding items is pretty hard.
Locations are annoying, true, and also NPC's, but items are the whole meaning with mods for LCS :P

This seems a bit circular to me. I'd say that the reason "items are the whole meaning with mods for LCS" is that modding anything else significantly is too difficult for people to bother.
Well, there just is nothing left to add for locations, and NPC's are not something that is worth it.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: brainfreez on August 29, 2012, 03:19:31 pm
there could be added a bank .
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: EuchreJack on August 29, 2012, 03:48:40 pm
Yeah, but doing anything else than adding items is pretty hard.
Locations are annoying, true, and also NPC's, but items are the whole meaning with mods for LCS :P

This seems a bit circular to me. I'd say that the reason "items are the whole meaning with mods for LCS" is that modding anything else significantly is too difficult for people to bother.
Well, there just is nothing left to add for locations, and NPC's are not something that is worth it.
I'm certain if it didn't require diving into the code itself, lots of cool new locations and NPCs could be added/modified.

For instance: What about adding a Gym, populated by the new NPCs of Professional Wrestler, Professional Boxer, Promoter, Referee, and Announcer?
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: SealyStar on September 02, 2012, 09:02:41 pm
1. Yes, it is completely possible to make ridiculously dark works involving ponies (c.f. Cupcakes, Fallout: Equestria)

2. Make this happen. "Friendship Crime Squad", fighting the evil rule of the discordians. "I live in Manehattan, Equestria, and it's about to experience major change". Go to the Cider Bar, persuade a Magician, an Apple Bucker, and a Baker to join your cause, and go to kick discordian ass.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Toady One on September 02, 2012, 11:48:01 pm
(remove brewing kerfuffle)
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Capital Fish on September 03, 2012, 12:23:47 am
I'm not familiar with the show, so this may be a very stupid question, but do ponies have hands? Can they hold things? Seems to me that holding things (guns, loot, hostages) is pretty important for the game to work. Though I suppose there are workarounds...
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: MrWiggles on September 03, 2012, 12:37:06 am
I'm not familiar with the show, so this may be a very stupid question, but do ponies have hands? Can they hold things? Seems to me that holding things (guns, loot, hostages) is pretty important for the game to work. Though I suppose there are workarounds...
Everything in Ponyverse is made for human hands, but the ponies have creepily flexible hooves and mouthes. It presents no issue.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Mictlantecuhtli on September 03, 2012, 01:39:17 am
I'd just appreciate if you weren't ruining the LCS subforum with a bunch of unnecessary topics.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: a1s on September 03, 2012, 06:26:28 am
I'd just appreciate if you weren't ruining the LCS subforum with a bunch of unnecessary topics.
There's just this one. And in my book any thread that result in independent creative output (mods, LPs, ad hoc drawings) is a positive happening. Even if it's tentacle porn (though hopefully that kind of creative efforts will be kept to tentacle porn forums  ::).)
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: brainfreez on September 03, 2012, 06:37:25 am
i hope this pony fever will ever end .

or at least the Conservative unicorns will sentence death penalties to all ponies in the conservative eqestria .

unicorns FTW !!!

Conservative Crime Unicorns .... ?
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Toady One on September 03, 2012, 07:25:13 pm
I removed another kerfuffle of the same kind.  Since Smashness provoked both of them, I've muted him for 3 days.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Splint on September 03, 2012, 07:34:09 pm
THE TOAD HATH SPOKEN. Thank you sir.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: RenoFox on September 25, 2012, 02:07:24 pm
I for one would love a pony mod, even if it was just the modified anatomy. Ponies in LCS would fit perfectly in the sugar apocalypse (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SugarApocalypse) genre!

My modding experience is limited to reading the source files, so at least I could help with names and locations.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: SealyStar on September 25, 2012, 05:42:18 pm
My Little Crime Squad: Violence is Magic...

"We need a slogan" "Friendship is Magic, Bitch!"
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Jboy2000000 on September 25, 2012, 05:46:19 pm
"Im going to love and talorate the shit out of you!"
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Capital Fish on September 25, 2012, 06:59:58 pm
"Im going to love and talorate the shit out of you!"

"Talorate"? You sir, have just given me the best possible name for my squad of liberated sweat shop workers!

Never mess with... The Tailorators!
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Jboy2000000 on September 25, 2012, 07:27:10 pm
"Im going to love and talorate the shit out of you!"

"Talorate"? You sir, have just given me the best possible name for my squad of liberated sweat shop workers!

Never mess with... The Tailorators!
How did I not notice that I misspelled so bad? Glad I helped anyway.
Title: Re: Liberal Crime Ponies?
Post by: Reelya on September 26, 2012, 09:48:07 pm
I'll support a Pony Mod, purely because to make that stuff happen, other scaffolding will be modded in that can be used to open up other mods - the trick is to data code every change that's currently hard-coded.

I have a couple of TC mod ideas i might play with in the future.