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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: T+0
« Reply #18705 on: January 28, 2017, 03:46:52 pm »

edit: I wonder how this affects the King of Jordan's visit on Monday?

well the 7 countries are Iraq, Syria, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen, so it shouldn't apply, right? this is not a muslim ban, no matter how much the press tries to spin it as a religion fueled ban.
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« Reply #18706 on: January 28, 2017, 03:49:43 pm »

edit: I wonder how this affects the King of Jordan's visit on Monday?

well the 7 countries are Iraq, Syria, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen, so it shouldn't apply, right? this is not a muslim ban, no matter how much the press tries to spin it as a religion fueled ban.
i wonder why he didn't ban the other countries as well. seems kind of random.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: T+0
« Reply #18707 on: January 28, 2017, 03:51:39 pm »

edit: I wonder how this affects the King of Jordan's visit on Monday?

well the 7 countries are Iraq, Syria, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen, so it shouldn't apply, right? this is not a muslim ban, no matter how much the press tries to spin it as a religion fueled ban.

That's a lie. This is clearly targeted at muslim-majority countries because they are muslim-majority, and it does not target states that funded or housed terrorists that directly attacked the united states, such as Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: T+0
« Reply #18708 on: January 28, 2017, 03:55:14 pm »


That's a lie. This is clearly targeted at muslim-majority countries because they are muslim-majority, and it does not target states that funded or housed terrorists that directly attacked the united states, such as Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.

this report seems those countries keep to be on the watch list thorough the years, so there's that as well:
https://www.state.gov/j/ct/rls/crt/2015/257520.htm
https://www.state.gov/j/ct/rls/crt/index.htm

that's the most official link I could find and goes back to well before Trump election - prompted by redwallzyl I was curious to why those countries were selected, as opposed to, say, Pakistan - maybe because those are mostly aimed at India? no idea sincerely.

but still, there's plenty muslim countries not being targeted. so there's that. you're bending facts to your weird reality where Trump is running a reverse-jihad.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: T+0
« Reply #18709 on: January 28, 2017, 03:56:03 pm »

edit: I wonder how this affects the King of Jordan's visit on Monday?

well the 7 countries are Iraq, Syria, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen, so it shouldn't apply, right? this is not a muslim ban, no matter how much the press tries to spin it as a religion fueled ban.
i wonder why he didn't ban the other countries as well. seems kind of random.
You're assuming the folks making the ban, and more importantly their supporters, actually realize there's other ones :V

It makes more sense through the lens of not actually being aware of what countries have substantial muslim population.

... incidentally, I think I've actually asked around a dozen people, most of em conservative, over the last handful of years what the country with the largest muslim population is. Total that got it right: 0.
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« Reply #18710 on: January 28, 2017, 03:57:24 pm »

I'm gonna try a wild guess before googling it: India?

edit - ok googled. won't spoil it for the curious, but I was this >||< close.
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« Reply #18711 on: January 28, 2017, 03:58:20 pm »

Well, you got most of the letters in it.
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« Reply #18712 on: January 28, 2017, 04:00:50 pm »

its Indonesia as i recall.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: T+0
« Reply #18713 on: January 28, 2017, 04:21:03 pm »

It doesn't matter which country has the most Muslims. It matters what countries come to mind first when the Trump voter thinks of muslims. They do not think of India or Indonesia, or for that matter Bangladesh or China or the Maldieves. In this way, The alt-right can foment fear and distrust and increase international tensions -- making everyone less safe -- and at the same time projecting the image of strength.

This action makes us less safe and is itself immoral and illegal. There is no justification for it.
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« Reply #18714 on: January 28, 2017, 04:24:24 pm »

It doesn't matter which country has the most Muslims. It matters what countries come to mind first when the Trump voter thinks of muslims. They do not think of India or Indonesia, or for that matter Bangladesh or China or the Maldieves.
Oh aye. The population thing's just an example of that, basically.
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« Reply #18715 on: January 28, 2017, 04:27:09 pm »

It's like if there were a similar ban for say, China, Japan, Taiwan, South & North Korea. The exclusion of Vietnam doesn't change that it's specifically targeted towards Asian countries, and I'd wager that most people aren't thinking about Vietnam on a daily basis.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: T+0
« Reply #18716 on: January 28, 2017, 04:39:00 pm »

No it's because TERRORISM
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: T+0
« Reply #18717 on: January 28, 2017, 04:54:56 pm »

It doesn't matter which country has the most Muslims. It matters what countries come to mind first when the Trump voter thinks of muslims. They do not think of India or Indonesia, or for that matter Bangladesh or China or the Maldieves. In this way, The alt-right can foment fear and distrust and increase international tensions -- making everyone less safe -- and at the same time projecting the image of strength.

This action makes us less safe and is itself immoral and illegal. There is no justification for it.

there, reality check for ya https://www.cbp.gov/travel/international-visitors/visa-waiver-program/visa-waiver-program-improvement-and-terrorist-travel-prevention-act-faq

those are not 'the countries Trump only knows to be muslim duhr duhr'.

" on December 18, 2015, the President signed into law the Consolidated Appropriations Act 2016, which includes the Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015"

"under the Act, travelers in the following categories are no longer eligible to travel or be admitted to the United States under the VWP [...] Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia, or Yemen."


so basically all you said up until now, applies to Obama.

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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: T+0
« Reply #18718 on: January 28, 2017, 05:11:32 pm »

At this point the errors in LoSboccacc's arguments are so extreme as to be clearly parody or intentional propoganda. I have no interest in further wasting my time.
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« Reply #18719 on: January 28, 2017, 05:14:19 pm »

At this point the errors in LoSboccacc's arguments are so extreme as to be clearly parody or intentional propoganda. I have no interest in further wasting my time.


awww so sorry facts upset ya.
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