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Author Topic: Goblins, a force for good?  (Read 40051 times)

They Got Leader

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Re: Goblins, a force for good?
« Reply #15 on: October 09, 2011, 10:40:38 pm »
Quote from: OcelotTango on October 09, 2011, 12:13:40 pm
Has it ever occured to anybody that the goblin snatchers may simply be trying to save dwarven children from the life of a dwarf fortress. I mean, sure goblins have some questionable ethics, but not nearly as bad as the things we do in dwarf fortresses...
It also applies to trying to siege for treasure. They may not be trying to steal dwarven treasure, they may just be trying to rid the world of the dwarven scourge.

Really? My fortresses are usually benign, full of production and brew. I keep them fed and busy building. The goblins are snatchers.
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« Reply #16 on: October 10, 2011, 12:27:44 am »
The title of the game really makes me think about this. Slaves to Armok? Hmm...
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Re: Goblins, a force for good?
« Reply #17 on: October 10, 2011, 12:29:44 am »
Quote from: SirAaronIII on October 10, 2011, 12:27:44 am
The title of the game really makes me think about this. Slaves to Armok? Hmm...
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....
Then we begin the "who is Armok" discussion.
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Re: Goblins, a force for good?
« Reply #18 on: October 10, 2011, 12:38:42 am »
Quote from: They Got Leader on October 10, 2011, 12:29:44 am
Quote from: SirAaronIII on October 10, 2011, 12:27:44 am
The title of the game really makes me think about this. Slaves to Armok? Hmm...
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....
Then we begin the "who is Armok" discussion.
The collective entity of all our bloodlust and need for death. He is strong.
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« Reply #19 on: October 10, 2011, 02:33:03 am »
In my current world, goblins are at war with the White Tigermen.

They have saved my fortress from each other several times.  Warms my dwarves' coal-black little hearts...
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« Reply #20 on: October 10, 2011, 02:46:10 am »
Quote from: Necro910 on October 10, 2011, 12:38:42 am
Quote from: They Got Leader on October 10, 2011, 12:29:44 am
Quote from: SirAaronIII on October 10, 2011, 12:27:44 am
The title of the game really makes me think about this. Slaves to Armok? Hmm...
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....
Then we begin the "who is Armok" discussion.
The collective entity of all our bloodlust and need for death. He is strong.

Meaning, he has roughly the same control over Dwarf Fort that Toady has. (+/- 5 Control Urists)
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Re: Goblins, a force for good?
« Reply #21 on: October 10, 2011, 11:16:37 am »
Quote from: They Got Leader on October 10, 2011, 12:29:44 am
Quote from: SirAaronIII on October 10, 2011, 12:27:44 am
The title of the game really makes me think about this. Slaves to Armok? Hmm...
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....
Then we begin the "who is Armok" discussion.
your mom.
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« Reply #22 on: October 10, 2011, 01:04:10 pm »
I believe Armok was once but a name, created by the Almighty Toady, but due to our faithful donation of blood, bloodlust, blood donation and (blood)rage, he has become the God of Blood... Bloodgod!

This thread has been de-railed, courtesy of Armok... and goblins, who stole the rails.
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« Reply #23 on: October 10, 2011, 01:57:01 pm »
There is the whole problem of goblins being ok with cannabilism, torture, and assault. After all, they are merely personal matters, not something to bother civilizations with.

Which brings the question whether "war with goblins" is considered a war by the goblins. It might just be that once a goblin attacked you (and was slaughtered), there ended up being a tantrum spiral in their fortress. Instead of destroying their own stuf fthough, they decided to take it out on dwarves. You kill the first wave's family, and then their friends, and so forth.

And maybe the whole "stealing children" thing is about replacing their own lost children. The wound in a parents heart over a lsot child might just drive them to seek other children and adopt them.
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Re: Goblins, a force for good?
« Reply #24 on: October 10, 2011, 02:22:09 pm »
Alright. So i agree goblins are a force for good because i abuse, torture and encase my inhabitants in obsidian on a mad whim. It just means slaughtering goblins is just that bit more satisfying! Die you goody goody green skinned little gobshytes!
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« Reply #25 on: October 10, 2011, 02:39:21 pm »
You are obviously no Dwarf:
             [ETHIC:KILL_ENTITY_MEMBER:PUNISH_CAPITAL]
   [ETHIC:KILL_NEUTRAL:ONLY_IF_SANCTIONED]
   [ETHIC:KILL_ENEMY:ACCEPTABLE]
   [ETHIC:KILL_ANIMAL:ACCEPTABLE]
   [ETHIC:KILL_PLANT:ACCEPTABLE]
   [ETHIC:TORTURE_AS_EXAMPLE:UNTHINKABLE]
   [ETHIC:TORTURE_FOR_INFORMATION:UNTHINKABLE]
   [ETHIC:TORTURE_FOR_FUN:UNTHINKABLE]
   [ETHIC:TORTURE_ANIMALS:UNTHINKABLE]
   [ETHIC:TREASON:PUNISH_CAPITAL]
   [ETHIC:OATH_BREAKING:PUNISH_CAPITAL]
   [ETHIC:LYING:PERSONAL_MATTER]
   [ETHIC:VANDALISM:PUNISH_SERIOUS]
   [ETHIC:TRESPASSING:PUNISH_SERIOUS]
   [ETHIC:THEFT:PUNISH_SERIOUS]
   [ETHIC:ASSAULT:PUNISH_SERIOUS]
   [ETHIC:SLAVERY:PUNISH_CAPITAL]
   [ETHIC:EAT_SAPIENT_OTHER:UNTHINKABLE]
   [ETHIC:EAT_SAPIENT_KILL:UNTHINKABLE]
   [ETHIC:MAKE_TROPHY_SAME_RACE:APPALLING]
   [ETHIC:MAKE_TROPHY_SAPIENT:SHUN]
   [ETHIC:MAKE_TROPHY_ANIMAL:ACCEPTABLE]

I suspect it has been done, but haven't looked for the Ethics list for [CREATURE:DWARF_FORTRESS_PLAYER].  I suspect it is closer to Goblin ethics than Dwarf... of course that is assuming we are supposed to be the same entity as CREATURE:DWARF.

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« Reply #26 on: October 10, 2011, 04:05:31 pm »
Quote from: King DZA on October 09, 2011, 03:43:44 pm
Come to think of it, that would explain why their military tactics never seem to make much sense.

Ygglybuk has spoken to me! There is a way into the fortress of the enemy, by which we will triumph- through the well!"

*goblins drown*

*dwarves die of thirst after refusing to drink from tainted well*
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« Reply #27 on: October 10, 2011, 04:11:26 pm »
[ETHIC:KILL_BECAUSE_BORED:FORUM_POST]
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Re: Goblins, a force for good?
« Reply #28 on: October 10, 2011, 04:28:17 pm »
Quote from: Wannazzaki on October 10, 2011, 02:22:09 pm
Alright. So i agree goblins are a force for good because i abuse, torture and encase my inhabitants in obsidian on a mad whim. It just means slaughtering goblins is just that bit more satisfying! Die you goody goody green skinned little gobshytes!

You can't spell slaughter without laughter!
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« Reply #29 on: October 10, 2011, 04:31:03 pm »
Quote from: MoonLightBird on October 10, 2011, 04:28:17 pm
Quote from: Wannazzaki on October 10, 2011, 02:22:09 pm
Alright. So i agree goblins are a force for good because i abuse, torture and encase my inhabitants in obsidian on a mad whim. It just means slaughtering goblins is just that bit more satisfying! Die you goody goody green skinned little gobshytes!

You can't spell slaughter without laughter!

You can't spell !!FUN!! without MAGMA!
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