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[ToonyMan]

After a little bit of thought I bet the mod error was that FoU forgot that a player with no hats would steal all their hats, and had to correct this after the fact.

In other words, Jim's hat thief likely had 0 hats during N2, or I'm wrong.

[Jim Groovester]

I am actually HATLESS

I can confirm that Jim in fact has 0 hats because my action was also updated due to mod error.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQHdqbJQMrc

[ToonyMan]

@Tric:
Imp is correct. I res'd Sal because my other options were Schrodinger's Cat and Crystal Head member of the mob.

[Magma Mater]

I targeted notquitethere with Jim Groovester's ability last night. I can confirm that he used Graverob along with an ability called Eat. Not sure what he's eating with an untargeted ability, perhaps a hat?

Anyway, ignoring Agentt scumclaiming in like 5 different ways, EuchreJack is acting the scummiest of anyone. Simplest explanation is that he tried to kill Krr1ss last night, but failed.

Alternative theories:
1. Agentt tried to kill someone last night but was blocked <-- it would be crazy to have Agentt attempt the kill, no? He wasn't highly town-read by anyone.
2. ToonyMan revived Salvatore Monday onto the scumteam with a "this can only be used after mafia is lynched and replaces the mafiakill" ability similar to Crystalizedmire's <-- ToonyMan has a green check on him, seems unlikely.

[Jim Groovester]

Alright there really wasn't that much to sift through.

Also: Why the fuck would I kill Agent or Krr1ss?

Jim Groovester usually proves himself town by now when he is in fact town.

I don't think I'm a good team member for CrystalizedMire. I pushed CM for the D2 elimination and roused players (toastercultist and Agentt) into making meaningful votes which was risky. I advertised I was likely not going to be around for the deadline, so I could have easily not posted instead of pushing for a CM lynch.

Furthermore, CrystalizedMire would not be surprised about getting a message containing a Street Fighter video at the start of D2 if we were on the same team. I'm going to argue that reaction was hard to fake.

Your role is confirmed at least in regards to my action failing on you, so you appear townie.

Also: Why the fuck do you think there are no scum on Crystal's wagon. Both Toony and Jim are notorious bussers (they vote out their scum buddy when Mafia for the town cred).

I'm not Maximum Spin level ballsy most of the time when I'm scum. I tend to think I would have avoided a CrystalizedMire lynch if I had the option to if I were scum, most likely by pushing for a mislynch.

Krr1ss Imp is never going to agree to that. Just cut the threads and assuage her worries for the good of town.

Sure but that also means that we are losing a wide range killer check... guess I will just cut her and Verm's threads.

Honestly, I was about to propose a vote. If overwhelming majority votes for me to give Gamma I will do so. That way, it's not her fault even if she loses (she won't).

Just send it. Narrowing down who did the kill on a given night will be helpful.

I agree with MM here.

If you're being truthful about what Threads of Fate does it's bonkers good, absolutely worth using, and Imp can stuff it.



I feel like I don't have much to add here that hasn't been mentioned by others. Agentt and EuchreJack are scummiest mechanically. Jack did not a whole lot during D2. Despite my strong town read of Agentt during D2 tying the vote in favor of CrystalizedMire made me reconsider.

I think I'm most interested in seeing how people who didn't come away so cleanly on Day 2 assess the game. E.G., what Agentt, EuchreJack's reads are and how they solve the game. I think I'd throw VermillionSkies into this category as well, and maybe Imp too. I don't think I have anything to worry about from ToonyMan, Magma Mater, Krr1ss, or TricMagic (except hat tyrant stuff). notquitethere feels good as well but perhaps not as intensely. toastercultist is replacing out but I really don't see tc being scum after breaking a tie against CrystalizedMire so late during D2.

[EuchreJack]

I think it's pretty shitty that I can do is vote Agentt, and I think the actual scum team is manipulating us into going at each other even though we're both town.  But I got so many fucking votes on me, I really can't vote anyone else.

I think scum are within NQT and Jim Groovester, but I'll take my chances staying alive for another night.  I also don't really care that much about this game, so if getting voted out is the result, ok then.

[EuchreJack]

Actually, fuck it.
NQT is probably scum, and nobody else can say it due to their double vote.

Two votes AND cop? please

[EuchreJack]

@Krr1ss: Responding to your post here.

I do NOT believe you are town, because I now believe your Day 3 claim.

I DID suspect you on Day 2.  I'm am so so sorry that you are unable to comprehend a world in which anyone would suspect you of being scum. 
As you can see, I wasn't engaged much in Day 2, but after a brief review of your posts, you seemed way too obsessed with people thinking you were scum, and were doing that manipulative "and what do you think player x" rather than actually engaging in moving the game state along.
You were acting more like a politician trying to win an election and less like a cop trying to solve the game.
And guess what? I actually acted upon you following up my suspicions.  Just like I acted upon Magma because I suspected him at the end of Day 1.

[EuchreJack]

So, following up on the claims: Tric claimed to roleblock Agentt, with flavor text implying that Agentt's mask was burned off.  Which sounds like an attack, but is not.
Ok, so Agentt is probably scum, hence the no-kill. 

Although that does imply that the scum team is not sophisticated enough to no-kill, and the killing of Salvatore Monday on Night 1 would indicate a scum team with at least one veteran.

Or maybe the scum team just forgot to kill.  We've seen that happen before.

[ToonyMan]

What do you think the setup is here? Three mafia and some amount of third party? Four mafia?

[ToonyMan]

I think it's impossible for there to not be at least one mafia inside Agentt and Jack.

[Magma Mater]

I think it's pretty shitty that I can do is vote Agentt, and I think the actual scum team is manipulating us into going at each other even though we're both town.  But I got so many fucking votes on me, I really can't vote anyone else.

I think scum are within NQT and Jim Groovester, but I'll take my chances staying alive for another night.  I also don't really care that much about this game, so if getting voted out is the result, ok then.

Then why did you try to check Krr1ss instead of one of them? What has changed that you no longer suspect Krr1ss?

[EuchreJack]

What do you think the setup is here? Three mafia and some amount of third party? Four mafia?

I don't fucking know, I'm not scum

[EuchreJack]

I think it's pretty shitty that I can do is vote Agentt, and I think the actual scum team is manipulating us into going at each other even though we're both town.  But I got so many fucking votes on me, I really can't vote anyone else.

I think scum are within NQT and Jim Groovester, but I'll take my chances staying alive for another night.  I also don't really care that much about this game, so if getting voted out is the result, ok then.

Then why did you try to check Krr1ss instead of one of them? What has changed that you no longer suspect Krr1ss?

Krr1ss's claim you fucking moron. I only said it like three fucking times.

[EuchreJack]

What do you think the setup is here? Three mafia and some amount of third party? Four mafia?

Ok, now that I've calmed down a bit, I imagine a 3 mafia setup, maybe with either a mafia-ally or SK, although I could see just 3 mafia.  I dunno why, but I largely just assumed 3 mafia.  I'm not a sophisticated mafia Connoisseur who has tasted many fine mafia games to think in terms of multiple scum teams, SKs with delayed kills, small teams with large numbers of mafia-allies, etc.