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[FallacyofUrist]

You all meet in the rebuilt tuna restaurant. Unfortunately, you still can't afford any ice cream. A shame, since it's Valentine's Day. The other Valentine's Day. Not the one in February.

Magma Mater (2): Salvatore Monday, EuchreJack
TricMagic (0):
VermillionSkies (0):
notquitethere (1): TricMagic
Imp (0):
Salvatore Monday (0):
EuchreJack (4): Magma Mater, notquitethere, notquitethere, VermillionSkies
Jim Groovester (0):
ToonyMan (0):

No Execution (0):

6 votes to hammer.

Not Voting (3): Imp, Jim Groovester, ToonyMan

Day 4 will end at 7:30 PM Central time, Tuesday, March 18th, 2025. Or on a hammer.

[notquitethere]

Probably won't be around much for rest of the day. Feel free to hammer. If the game continues, shoot Imp.

[EuchreJack]

Well, fuck this shit.
EuchreJack

I expect a written apology from each one of you tomorrow.

[Imp]

Well, fuck this shit.
EuchreJack

I expect a written apology from each one of you tomorrow.

Hey, I'm working on my post and I have questions.

Here's what I have so far.

Verm still looks town to me.  Note I know the name of the ability that gives theatre membership, I didn't choose to kill Tric either (I presume Tric and Verm both have it).

If we kill Jack today, that supposedly kills Tric.  Verm, presuming we start tonight with a dead Tric, are you open to me blendering Grand Theatre?  Do you want something else done?  Does anyone else suggest an ability instead?  Tric had, while Tric is dead that doesn't matter anymore.

I've seen Sal's flip, nothing I can target.  I think Verm's town and if I blender up into a god-status ability I want it in town hands; I'd consider Sal but I need something to target and seems like IF Sal has an ability it's that cloak that prevents being targeted, which may not even be an ability, and if Sal's still town (I pray, this is Sal, who if he wanted to stay town surely would try to, even with his 'anything power').

That's not all I stole. When I'm town - and I am town - I try my best not to be too nakedly self-serving. Just making myself untargetable, while cool and based, would be a little selfish. But I'll talk about what else I stole later.

Oh yeah.  I'm listening.  Thanks for saying you'll say something.  What will you say?

I killed toastercultist and assessed TricMagic, he has just one hat.

Wow that's really interesting because that was actually the mafiakill, Magma Mater.

I think we should pay attention to this.  Presuming Sal has the same everything from pre-flip, his flavor and those he interacts with, their flavor can be real.  Otherwise flavor isn't connected to reality.  Sal said he was killed by Crystal, I dunno if that's part of why he says this is mafiakill.  But I wanna hear more.

We saw your flip. How did you do any of this?

As noted, they can weave a tale. With each visit they make their story grows, as does their abilities.

Once, during a single Night of the game, you may describe the actions you take during the Night. The more absurd your description, the less likely they are to succeed, but even so, there shall be a chance. The moderator reserves the right to refuse to answer questions about this ability.

And this is where the Lovers came from. A story of love and cupid, all to lead to our ends. Their abilities are veiled from us, who is to say their status isn't as well? Krr1ss could see guilt, bypassing alignement. Verm can as well. A town mask is an answer.

Riddle me this~ If life is the greatest story of all, and the hero Agent T, why is one who weaves such a tale not part of our Theater?

Near as I can tell, the stories and coins from Sal does not really 'grow' with each visit.  There was nothing I saw in the N1 visit that made me think it was growing either, other than the thread that Krr1ss claimed.

But it's definitely stories, in flavor.  I am surprised he's not in theatre, but he's probably too big and weird and role-less to fit anywhere.

I can imaging a reality change potentially changing up to everything.

But it's a why and the bigger the change, the less likely any of it happens.

Would Sal want us or some of us to be lovers?  Would he want the pairings that happened or want random pairings?

Both Sal and Jim seem to support they are lovers.  Would Sal want that and everything else that came of this?  And the cloak, and the 'other theft' that he hints of.  And whatever else?  At the increasing chance that none of it happens?

I am NOT the cause of Lovers-stuff.

I thought about crashing your Theater chat but you'd said you'd benefit if everyone in it died, so I didn't want to step on your toes.

  This feels weird for Sal to say.  But I don't know how to read it, or Sal.

@Sal:
I assume Krr1ss was the mafiakill since they were obviously town. Magma claiming the Toastercult kill only enforced this. I don't read Magma as mafia here because of their actions this game. They've done everything in their power to help town.

Sal said he was killed by Crystal.

Salvatore Monday was killed.

toastercultist was killed.
Krr1ss died.

If you are Lovers with someone, you die when they die!

I think it seems likely the lovers or some other 'you die' effect was triggered on Krr1ss; I don't know about any except lovers.

Oh I get it. Krr1ss could have been lovers with Toastercultist and mafia killed both.

I would like to point out that Toastercultist Disabled me on N1 so unless you think I somehow knew what was happening that makes it very likely my alignment is Town since it specifically states that in their inspection ability.

I agree, but I also believe there could be another godfather like Crystal

But I'll set you aside for now.

I don't think Crystal was 'godfather'.

Crystalizedmire was Mafia.
(Night) Obvious Disguise [self]: But little did they know... Investigative actions used on you return alignment / role information as if your role was Obvious Disguise, for the duration of this Night.
(Reference, Role) Obvious Disguise (Town-Ally)
A perfectly normal human being, bearded and tall.
(Auto / Night) Obvious Disguise [target / self]: You can't see anything under the trenchcoat. This ability does nothing.

And Agentt was straight mafia.  I dunno how likely a godfather atop those two would be, plus he brought back Sal.

An SK godfather?  I hope not.  Reasonable town play and I really hope is town.

Tric=Jack
Verm=NQT
Sal=Jim

Leaves Toony, Imp, and Magma. Yeah, this will work.

Jack Start the chain, timers ticking. Anyone with roleblocks block one of the three. Everyone should also Graverob the tiebreaker hat that just dropped. Unless you'd start a Hat Tyranny.

It will probably work.

I sure hope Tric isn't doing some SK thing.  Reminder if it matters, we need at least 1 town alive to win.

(Always Appears) The Town must eliminate every anti-Town player and have at least one living Town player to win.

I'll be dying at the end of this if no one roleblocks or doctors me. Pretty much the only way I survive the theater collapsing on my head.

Basically Jack goes, Verm Goes, I go, NQT goes. And you get to hear my final act when all is revealed. Time for a swan song.

And you called for 'us three' to be roleblocked if possible, I presume you mean Mater, Toons, and me.

Well.  Theatre falls, everyone dies would be bad.  Good luck all.

I'm about to ask if NQT would want CLAIM targeted by me if he lives to tonight, because I dunno if I can maybe fix that usurp thing.  I don't REALLY want to target someone I'm not really sure is town.  But I will listen to requests and discuss.  I'm still reading and thinking.

[EuchreJack]

Thanks Imp, but it just doesn't matter.

On Day 3, I was wrongly suspected of being scum because there was no kill. For some reason unknown to me, even though the actual cause of the no kill Agentt was  voted out successfully as scum, that residual mistrust extended into Day 4.

Frankly, I think everyone just covets hats and wants me out of the way. It's the only legitimate explanation to why so much of the town could bite down so hard on the dogshit theory that I'm scum with no actual evidence. I mean, they're not even thinking anymore, they just want me out.

[Imp]

Until I get CLAIM back, I can't double-steal hats, so I might as well be open about the plan.
If Salvatore is right, then we should just eliminate Magma today.

Euchrejack was a strong possibility yesterday

I was right about Agentt (and to some extend Toastercultist!), and my other suspect was Vermilion.

I need to have a proper read of the flips and the claims and then come back.


TricMagic needs to chill.

I think NQT wants more time too.  I'm town, and I'm not giving up.

I do not want hats.  I have none.  I haven't stolen a hat all game.  I haven't tried to.  I want town to win.  Maybe we need you dead, this game is confusing.  I'm kinda scared Tric has a plan to kill literally everyone, which means you win with him, hey.  You're self voting.

Let's get the votes down on Jack, maybe he can win with SK Tric and thinks that's just fine.

[Imp]

But I am super sleepy.  Today was absolutely exhausting.

ohhhhh krr1ss was town ohhhh not a serial killer wooowwww so weiirdd

Kris was obviously town and Imp's whole paranoia about it is highly suspicious.

I'm town.  Those threads and how they spread look really dangerous for an SK-type role to have.  I'm not scared now that I see the flip.  I hope Toony brings people back true and he looks great to res, way better than Sal.

And if he was OBVIOUSLY TOWN you should have been focusedly and helpfully pointing out all the obvious bits all game.

You know you can be wrong.  I can be wrong too.  Yes, that can be sus, but sheesh.  Really sheesh.

ohhhhh krr1ss was town ohhhh not a serial killer wooowwww so weiirdd

Kris was obviously town and Imp's whole paranoia about it is highly suspicious.

I'm town.  Those threads and how they spread look really dangerous for an SK-type role to have.  I'm not scared now that I see the flip.  I hope Toony brings people back true and he looks great to res, way better than Sal.

And if he was OBVIOUSLY TOWN you should have been focusedly and helpfully pointing out all the obvious bits all game.

You know you can be wrong.  I can be wrong too.  Yes, that can be sus, but sheesh.  Really sheesh.

Toony is cleared by Magma's flip. If Toony is town then Salvatore is still town. Look at Crystal's flip, she also had an ultra that would have had a big game-wide effect (for a day):

I think Toony is likely town.  What's your thoughts on how Mater's flip would clear Toony?

Vermilion claimed a track on Imp but it's much less powerful than the track claimed by EJ, so one of them is probably lying, right?

I think the track Verm has been talking about came from me blenderizing him the first time:

I didn't perform any actions last night, free or otherwise, because I didn't want to risk Imp's randomizer turning my ability into an Auto that did something... bad.
On the bright side, it turned my Negotiations into a very useful night ability that doesn't cost Escalator, so that's good. It's simultaneously multiple-person Watch and Hat-thievery denial, at the cost of only affecting the Theatre.

If Tric is right, killing me will kill Vermilion which will kill Tric which will kill EJ. Strictly speaking, I don't have to be a part of this chain, but it's more fun if I am.

So everyone hammer me.

For... some sort of lolz?  Elim of either pair of a lover team is the same, or not?  Special power kicks of on death like Tric claims?

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I gotta get some sleep.  Good luck all.  Why hammer/rush?  We have time to talk and figure it out.  I think it's concerning and scummy to rush.  EJ can win with Tric if Tric can win, so.... this is scary.

[ToonyMan]

@Jack:
I'm not you. I don't know if you're a good dude or not.

Who do I vote if the game continues? I suspect Imp or Magma the most, but any other possible insights from your side?

[TricMagic]

ToonyMan

If my plan isn't going to work I'll skip straight to the other half and get rid of the one who said Agentt was a good dude all the way back on Day 1.

Agentt is town.

Nobody inspect me or bad things happen.

I could go for a tuna sandwich.

If I'm wrong we can vote out Jack tomorrow since you seem to think he's such a bad dude. Hell I'll join in. This sort of emotional appeal instead of resolving to die sickens me.

[TricMagic]

For the Record I would have gained the ability to kill one of you at the end of tomorrow had this plan gone through. Which means, NQT and Verm are dead, me and Jack would be dying, as well as one other lovers group. Lynch the last lovers and Imp would be the last one standing.

[TricMagic]

Or something, I am just done with this game. Point is we'd have four people dying tommorow but not yet dead, making it Lylo with enough participants to catch the last Mafia. Someone would have survived, making their alignment the winner.

[Magma Mater]

Thanks Imp, but it just doesn't matter.

On Day 3, I was wrongly suspected of being scum because there was no kill. For some reason unknown to me, even though the actual cause of the no kill Agentt was  voted out successfully as scum, that residual mistrust extended into Day 4.

Frankly, I think everyone just covets hats and wants me out of the way. It's the only legitimate explanation to why so much of the town could bite down so hard on the dogshit theory that I'm scum with no actual evidence. I mean, they're not even thinking anymore, they just want me out.

I can explain the reasons I'm voting for you if you'd like to learn for the next time you roll mafia, but you'll have to ask more nicely than that.

[ToonyMan]

Yeah Tric, vote me for being wrong about a single thing on D1 in a 14 player game. I didn't care whether Agentt or Jack got eliminated on D3 because I think both are just mafia. If you look at Jack's play this whole game it's been attacking non-mafia players like Krr1ss and Toastercult (they didn't know Toaster was an ally). Magma shot Toaster because it also helped them solve my slot, which it did because I'm obviously town. It's possible Sal could be right that Magma is a bad guy, but I disagree that it could possibly be because they're mafia with Crystal and Agentt.

I admit Imp's stubborn SK paranoia about Krr1ss looked really bad, but I don't think they're mafia unless Jack is town.

Tric is obviously town. Verm is clearly town for similar reasons. Sal literally can't be mafia unless my role is lying to me or I used a mafia convert res. Jim and NQT are probably town. It's just Jack.

I've barely been paying attention to the game after D2 because it's merely been going through the motions. I'm like 80% confident Jack is as mafia as Agentt, but it would be exciting to be proven wrong so I will gladly hear insight from Jack's point of view here.

[TricMagic]

Toony, obviously I'm not town. You're voting me out after all. Don't try and twist it around.

[ToonyMan]

Toony, obviously I'm not town. You're voting me out after all. Don't try and twist it around.

What the hell are you smoking? I'm going to vote who I think is mafia, regardless of whether there's an obviously town player tied to them or not. I'm spiritually voting Jack instead of actually voting because I don't want the day to end prematurely.

If I wanted a 3 person bloodbath I'd go with NQT's plan, which would still result in your death by the way, except Jack wouldn't die today so I don't want that outcome.