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[Salvatore Monday]

@Sal:
I'm okay with it. I'm not really happy about the lovers thing but I trust Sal a lot here and their reasoning makes sense. I was theorizing with Imp if the love maker decided the pairs themselves because it felt random to me. I also knew Jim didn't decide the pairs because they would 100% put me with them.

Incidentally, I'm sorry if I caused any strife but I hope you can see why I thought you and Imp would make the best team here. I had strong reasons to think you were both town but I also felt entirely confident you could read each other and act accordingly.

[Magma Mater]

Last night I used Agentt's ability on Imp. I wanted to use EuchreJack's, but I got those abilities on the same night so I didn't know which was which.

Now that I do, I can inspect people every night.

Since it seems that whichever anti-town is left doesn't have a kill, I'm fine with no-lynching until I can inspect everyone. Or until Fallacy calls the game, I guess.

[Magma Mater]

Last night I used Agentt's ability on Imp. I wanted to use EuchreJack's, but I got those abilities on the same night so I didn't know which was which.

Now that I do, I can inspect people every night.

Since it seems that whichever anti-town is left doesn't have a kill, I'm fine with no-lynching until I can inspect everyone. Or until Fallacy calls the game, I guess.

I would start by inspecting VermilionSkies, since I tried mugging him last night and found out that he has no hats.

[Salvatore Monday]

I was theorizing with Imp if the love maker decided the pairs themselves because it felt random to me.

By the way, I actually put a lot of thought into it...

[Imp]

Last night I used Agentt's ability on Imp. I wanted to use EuchreJack's, but I got those abilities on the same night so I didn't know which was which.

Now that I do, I can inspect people every night.

Since it seems that whichever anti-town is left doesn't have a kill, I'm fine with no-lynching until I can inspect everyone. Or until Fallacy calls the game, I guess.

This ability?

(Usurped, Night) The Games We Play [target]: We play at the theatre, they play Noita. We are not the same. If your target is within your Grand Theatre chat, they gain a vote for the duration of the next Day. If they are not, you roleblock them if they attempted to act on a member of your Grand Theatre chat.

I was distinctly not roleblocked.  Nor did I gain a vote, but I'm not in theatre chat so no surprise there.

I wonder who you were redirected to?  Verm who gained many votes?

[Imp]

Ahh, it's gonna do nothing to me because I did not target Verm, the sole surviving member of theatre chat.

[ToonyMan]

@Magma:
I agree, if you're town then mafia didn't kill on N3 or N4. Sal's revelations drop my suspicions of you a lot. I need to look at the game more, it feels like scum is in the Verm/NQT group to me right now.

I was theorizing with Imp if the love maker decided the pairs themselves because it felt random to me.

By the way, I actually put a lot of thought into it...

To be fair I didn't have the whole picture!

[notquitethere]

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Magma, there's no point inspecting me for at least another night or two, as I graverobbed the Black Hat (in order to eat it).


I'm a little annoyed EJ died yesterday because we had bad info about the lovers. It's almost worth getting rid of Salvatore before he destroys the whole game with his unlimited power and unclear communication style.

Now obviously more suspicious of Magma.

Imp suspicion never went away. If any mafia player would avoid killing and do convoluted role shenanigans instead, it would be Imp.

This is all very nebulous so will read back a bit.

[Jim Groovester]

Fucking hell the day ends tomorrow.

Yes day length needs to be determined by player count and not day.

[Jim Groovester]

Wait, never mind, it ends on Friday.

Phew.

[Imp]

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Magma, there's no point inspecting me for at least another night or two, as I graverobbed the Black Hat (in order to eat it).


I'm a little annoyed EJ died yesterday because we had bad info about the lovers. It's almost worth getting rid of Salvatore before he destroys the whole game with his unlimited power and unclear communication style.

Now obviously more suspicious of Magma.

Imp suspicion never went away. If any mafia player would avoid killing and do convoluted role shenanigans instead, it would be Imp.

This is all very nebulous so will read back a bit.

... Well, at least you have the 'good taste' not to sus your own lover, which if you're anti-town you must leave alive at least until end game or something.  I guess an SK would wanna die with their lover, but only at game end.

You sus Sal, as 'punishment' for previous play, kill the loverless ressed town just for 'bad previous play'.

Sus of Magma, and if we elim there Jim goes with.

Sus of me, if we elim me Toony goes with.

So basically everyone but you and Verm, just kill us all, any of us, any order, just make sus-lover sandwiches to burn away.

Verm, what's your read of NQT and why?  What are you picking up on?  I'm so sorry you're lovers with that one.

Also, folks.  Discuss so I have choices, if you think it wise for me to target and change an ability of yours, you can offer it for me to consider.  I will decide if I'm alive to, and I do prefer those I read highly as town.  But I will listen to anyones' request.

[Jim Groovester]

Gut feel is that it's either VS or within Imp/ToonyMan. Imp for scum, ToonyMan for long shot Godfather third party.

Magma Mater hasn't admitted to being scum to me which is kind of annoying because it would make playing to that win condition a lot easier, but it would also mean I kind of don't need to play anymore because I can with with town or I can with him if he's scum. I think he's likelier town than not, since he's been a bad teammate to CrystalizedMire and Agentt.

I don't think Salvatore Monday is scum. We saw his flip and there's nothing he's visibly done that's been outside of it, so his role probably didn't mutate when he came back. Whether his alignment changed is another question, and I doubt it did. The loverizing is pretty creative and very scum sided but I doubt it was the product of scum reasoning and intent. I want to say that if Salvatore Monday wasn't town anymore then I think he might've come up with something more explicitly hostile to the remaining players in the game than the loverization. If Salvatore Monday isn't town anymore, then that would mean ToonyMan isn't town, which I've expressed above is only a long shot shot possibility.

VermillionSkies hasn't shaken my opinion that he hasn't done anything important this game, essentially ever. Imp is also guilty of contributing less, but not for lack of engagement. Imp decided to be focused on Krr1ss on the two days scum ended up lynched.

notquitethere I feel like is town. notquitethere was on board with the maximum blood quadruple lynch (that wasn't going to actually happen after reading TricMagic's flip) so that could've been a ploy but I think it's likelier it wasn't. If notquitethere knows that he or VS is scum I'm not sure he offers up the self votes for that play.

This was all gut feeling and recollection so don't be too annoyed at me if I missed some detail. I may skim the game at some point with a focus on remaining players and their interactions with CrystalizedMire and Agentt. I think this is more or less lylo or milo, so it's important to think about this.

[notquitethere]

... Well, at least you have the 'good taste' not to sus your own lover, which if you're anti-town you must leave alive at least until end game or something.  I guess an SK would wanna die with their lover, but only at game end.

I want to look into Vermilion some more of course. He was a suspect of mine earlier in the game.


Basically on the same page as Jim here. There's a horrible world where Toony is something convolutedly scary but the best fit for scum at the moment is probably Imp.

I've felt like she's avoided engaging with me the whole game, while in the last game when she was town she was on my case constantly. I think a scum!Imp would be cautious here about attracting my ire. I'm going to park one vote on Imp.

But really before making any decision, I need to go back and look at the votes and cases and see who's doing what.

[notquitethere]

My rule of thumb is when town are busy eliminating one another, scum usually step back and let that happen, especially if there's no alternative target. Looking at the votes:

Magma Mater (1): Salvatore Monday
TricMagic (0):
VermillionSkies (0):
notquitethere (0):
Imp (0):
Salvatore Monday (0):
EuchreJack (6): Magma Mater, notquitethere, notquitethere, VermillionSkies, EuchreJack, TricMagic
Jim Groovester (0):
ToonyMan (0):

No Execution (0):

6 votes to hammer.

Not Voting (3): Imp, Jim Groovester, ToonyMan

Scum is probably in Imp, Jim and Toony. I think Jim is clean (and IIRC he expressed a desire to vote but didn't want to hammer). Before getting into tinfoil land, Toony is also good. And so by extension so is Salvatore. That also leaves Imp.

Don't want to get myself into full confirmation bias mode on this one, so I should seek some alternative explanations... but Imp does seem like a good vote for today. It would take down Toony as well, which should clear Salvatore if he flips town and the game continues.

[Magma Mater]

I also believe it's between Imp and ToonyMan. I don't believe that you'd need the Tinfoil Hat to think that ToonyMan could be a non-killing third party - there are multiple pieces of evidence which suggest that the mafia team is dead. And if this is the case, I think that ToonyMan's role is the one that fits with a non-killing third party the best (actually, I think notquitethere's role fits better, but he isn't being lynched today sooo).

That said, I think it's more likely that Imp is the last mafia. The timing of her, "Krr1ss is a serial killer but I won't say why!" thing is suspicious because it happened pretty much exactly when Crystalizedmire started to look like a viable lynch candidate. She also hasn't voted for mafia at any point in the game, and hasn't really done anything at all other than try to lynch town.